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Thiago chose Bayern over us and it was "Embarrassing"
We went for Fabregas and it was "Embarrassing"
We bid a perfectly acceptable amount of money for Fellaini and Baines and it is "Embarrassing"

Frankly, some of you would feel embarrassed every time you took off your clothes for a shower.

It was a perfectly acceptable bid, Everton just want more money and have used the "insulting bid" card, it's negotiation tactics, stop accusing the staff of being inept and causing embarrassment to the club.
 
Redfighter said:
I think Baines will always look impressive there because of the role he plays, they love him. Fellaini has hit the ceiling there, the team isn't good enough overall so his contribution is underrated. When he comes here he'll improve as a player and we'll reap the benefits.
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Seems far fetched. Why would they underrate their own player and prefer Leighton Baines if he was all that good.
 
Shark22 said:
His defensive game is more about positioning, trying to get that interception. He can get stuck in too when he wants to, and even though he can be rash, I think we've needed somebody with a presence for a while in midfield.
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We already have Carrick who makes interceptions. We could with a gifted tackler IMO. Someone who has a habit of getting a tackle in like vidic or rafael in defence. Someone like Martinez who seems very talented defensively.
 
Slevs said:
Thiago chose Bayern over us and it was "Embarrassing"
We went for Fabregas and it was "Embarrassing"
We bid a perfectly acceptable amount of money for Fellaini and Baines and it is "Embarrassing"

Frankly, some of you would feel embarrassed every time you took off your clothes for a shower.

It was a perfectly acceptable bid, Everton just want more money and have used the "insulting bid" card, it's negotiation tactics, stop accusing the staff of being inept and causing embarrassment to the club.
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feckin' never nudes man.
 
Slevs said:
Thiago chose Bayern over us and it was "Embarrassing"
We went for Fabregas and it was "Embarrassing"
We bid a perfectly acceptable amount of money for Fellaini and Baines and it is "Embarrassing"

Frankly, some of you would feel embarrassed every time you took off your clothes for a shower.

It was a perfectly acceptable bid, Everton just want more money and have used the "insulting bid" card, it's negotiation tactics, stop accusing the staff of being inept and causing embarrassment to the club.
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It's not embarassing, but it was a weird bid... and not a very good one either - evidenced by the fact that all it's seemingly done is 'annoy' Everton.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
We already have Carrick who makes interceptions. We could with a gifted tackler IMO. Someone who has a habit of getting a tackle in like vidic or rafael in defence. Someone like Martinez who seems very talented defensively.
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I agree, Martinez would have been ideal, but what can you do.

I'd be very surprised if Carrick will be able to start as many games as he has done over the past few seasons now. He's 32 and will need more rest from now on in IMO. So having Felliani as an option might prove to be vital. At the start of the window, I really thought that we might sign Fellaini and somebody in the more creative mould too, but it doesn't always work out like that in the real world.
 
Slevs said:
Thiago chose Bayern over us and it was "Embarrassing"
We went for Fabregas and it was "Embarrassing"
We bid a perfectly acceptable amount of money for Fellaini and Baines and it is "Embarrassing"

Frankly, some of you would feel embarrassed every time you took off your clothes for a shower.

It was a perfectly acceptable bid, Everton just want more money and have used the "insulting bid" card, it's negotiation tactics, stop accusing the staff of being inept and causing embarrassment to the club.
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we didn't go for Thiago, which was surprising...
We went for Cesc a day after his natural replacement left Barca and we made a stupid low bid for Fiberglass
We decided too wait long in the transfer window to make a bid for player who was easily attainable in July for reasonable price

Even though i don't rate Felaini that much i don't think 12 mil for him is a fair price.
 
Dargonk said:
Though basically any attempt by Moyes to sign his ex players is bound to annoy Everton
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True, but with this bid we've given them an easy reason to get annoyed.

If the bid had been £35m for example, I don't imagined Everton would have issued the same sort of release they did yesterday.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
True, but with this bid we've given them an easy reason to get annoyed.

If the bid had been £35m for example, I don't imagined Everton would have issued the same sort of release they did yesterday.
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yeh true. Perhaps Moyes is banking on his ex players forcing the move a bit from their end as well to join up with him again. Could explain the low bidding in this case.
 
Shark22 said:
I agree, Martinez would have been ideal, but what can you do.

I'd be very surprised if Carrick will be able to start as many games as he has done over the past few seasons now. He's 32 and will need more rest from now on in IMO. So having Felliani as an option might prove to be vital. At the start of the window, I really thought that we might sign Fellaini and somebody in the more creative mould too, but it doesn't always work out like that in the real world.
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we need both. As long as the signing of Fellaini does not preclude the other (this window or within the next 12 months) its an essential and appropriate signing.
 
Why did Everton pay £16m for Fellaini in the first place? He was rated around the same as Witsel and Defour at Standard and both of them went for half his price. We shouldn't really be using that fee as a measure, they overpaid and we don't have to compensate them for that.
 
Sunny Jim said:
we didn't go for Thiago, which was surprising...
We went for Cesc a day after his natural replacement left Barca and we made a stupid low bid for Fiberglass
We decided too wait long in the transfer window to make a bid for player who was easily attainable in July for reasonable price

Even though i don't rate Felaini that much i don't think 12 mil for him is a fair price.
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To be fair, 16mil is not quite 12 mil. This is all.
 
Sarni said:
Why did Everton pay £16m for Fellaini in the first place? He was rated around the same as Witsel and Defour at Standard and both of them went for half his price. We shouldn't really be using that fee as a measure, they overpaid and we don't have to compensate them for that.
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I can't imagine for a second Everton see it the same way.
 
Sarni said:
Why did Everton pay £16m for Fellaini in the first place? He was rated around the same as Witsel and Defour at Standard and both of them went for half his price. We shouldn't really be using that fee as a measure, they overpaid and we don't have to compensate them for that.
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Given the current climate £16m is not enough. He is considered good enough for an elite club, has 4 years proven premiership experience and some resale value. If we sign him, we'll pay £20m+ and should be happy to do so.
 
Sarni said:
Why did Everton pay £16m for Fellaini in the first place? He was rated around the same as Witsel and Defour at Standard and both of them went for half his price. We shouldn't really be using that fee as a measure, they overpaid and we don't have to compensate them for that.
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Maybe because he was rated higher and further along in his development compared to the other two. Plus how much did Benfica pay for Witsel? It wasn't cheap.
 
Sarni said:
Why did Everton pay £16m for Fellaini in the first place? He was rated around the same as Witsel and Defour at Standard and both of them went for half his price. We shouldn't really be using that fee as a measure, they overpaid and we don't have to compensate them for that.
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Ofcourse we dont, but then we wont sign him.
 
The logic behind our bid is simple:

1. We have now officially stated to all concerned that we are 'in' to buy these 2 players.
2. Because its likely both players would want to join us and so have already 'had their heads turned', it puts us in a stronger negotiating position.
3. We have let Everton know the ballpark our bid will be and that whilst we will pay a slight premium, we wont be mugged.
4. We know Everton need at least one outbound player per year to balance their books, so in a game of brinksmanship, we hold the stronger negotiating position.

I think Everton would have dismissed any first bid, so the lower the better. Thats how it works. Net net: why pay more when we can pay less?
 
sammsky1 said:
The logic behind our bid is simple:

1. We have now officially stated to all concerned that we are 'in' to buy these 2 players.
2. Because its likely both players would want to join us and so have already 'had their heads turned', it puts us in a stronger negotiating position.
3. We have let Everton know the ballpark our bid will be and that whilst we will pay a slight premium, we wont be mugged.
4. We know Everton need at least one outbound player per year to balance their books, so in a game of brinksmanship, we hold the stronger negotiating position.

I think Everton would have dismissed any first bid, so the lower the better. Thats how it works. Net net: why pay more when we can pay less?
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Nope, Everton did that.
 
Not sure if this as been posted before ,but here is the leaked letter to United

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With Fellaini's £23m release clause expiring at the end of July, United's decision to offer £16m for the Belgium midfielder has angered Everton, not least because Moyes invested an initial £15m in the player when signing him from Standard Liege in August 2008.
Everton will have to pay Standard Liege 20pc of any transfer fee they receive as part of the deal that brought him to Goodison.
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-after-insulting-offer-rejected-29511900.html

Everton would be making a loss on him if they sold him for £16mil. :lol:
 
Lawman said:
Moyes said he was after a defensive midfielder and an attacking one. Fellaini is a very good defensive choice for me. Plus if we go to a midfield 3 he has all the attributes in abundance what we miss in the midfield. A real quality signing for me adds lots of depth and choice and will improve us big time on Cleverley and Anderson. Although I hoped we would sign Fabregas this type of player was needed regardless. Now we just need a Modric or Fabregas type to replace Anderson and our midfield options will be very strong. Whether this is this season or next the signing of Fellaini would really improve us.
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There's this assumption that Moyes sees Fellaini as a defensive midfielder; not sure about that. He did indeed say he was looking for a defensive option and a more attacking, goalscoring type of midfielder - how do we know that he doesn't see Fellaini as the latter? He was the manager who moved him to AM, after all, where he became a highly rated player, not just the run-of-the-mill DM he used to be.
 
Kenwright got absolutely bent over when they bought Fellaini didn't he?

£15m + 20% of any future sale for the player at that time is ridiculous.
 
Siorac said:
There's this assumption that Moyes sees Fellaini as a defensive midfielder; not sure about that. He did indeed say he was looking for a defensive option and a more attacking, goalscoring type of midfielder - how do we know that he doesn't see Fellaini as the latter? He was the manager who moved him to AM, after all, where he became a highly rated player, not just the run-of-the-mill DM he used to be.
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He's gone on record stating that Fellaini's best posistion is at DM and that he only played him in the whole out of neccesity.
 
Didn't Moyes' Everton contract actually expire when he joined us? I don't see why there would have been any need for him to make any agreements with Everton regarding players?
 
Woodzy said:
Didn't Moyes' Everton contract actually expire when he joined us? I don't see why there would have been any need for him to make any agreements with Everton regarding players?
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Didn't Brenton have an agreement with Swansea that he wouldn't try and sign any of their players for Liverpool (then immediately bid for Siggurdson and Joe Allen)? Perhaps it's a similar thing.
 
Count Orduck said:
Didn't Brenton have an agreement with Swansea that he wouldn't try and sign any of their players for Liverpool (then immediately bid for Siggurdson and Joe Allen)? Perhaps it's a similar thing.
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He was still under contract. Moyes was a free agent so I don't see why he would be signing any post contract agreement. |The letter is fake.
 
Spiersey said:
Not sure, United did apologise to Everton for how they went about getting Moyes, maybe something was agreed.
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We talked to Moyes before his contract expired to make sure he was interested in the job and ready to start, we never agreed any form of compensation agreement with them so why would we tie our own hands?
 
If we made an agreement that had any legal obligation then Everton would have said so in the retarded statement they made.
 
"It's been well documented what happened with the transfer speculation, that's been dealt with and it was all a little bit of a waste of time - time I don't want the players to waste," Martinez tells Everton's website.

I know Everton are generally a selling club but I really hope they are not looking to sell. I don't think we'd be dumb enough to spunk over £40 million on the pair which is what they'll hopefully want. £40 million would surely be our max.
 
For any agreement to be legally enforceable it would require some form of consideration, so Everton would have to give us something of value in return for the agreement. Not reporting the 'tapping up' of their manager, I assume would not be valid consideration and sounds more like an attempt at blackmail.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
OK I take your point but it does not matter, we the supporter do not have a say in how the money is spent.
We might put it in the club, the point I was making is we have no say in how it is spent.
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Your right, and I don think we have to trust in the manager in how he decides to spend the money. Doesn't mean there won't be a backlash from some fans should we spunk £30 odd million on Fellaini and Baines.
 
Cina said:
A lot of people didn't, considering the formation we play, a lot wanted a more offensively minded, creative midfielder to partner Carrick, and/or a backup for Carrick.

There's a reason SAF said he didn't like defensive midfielders, because he knew they weren't ideal for us.
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Precisely. This is what he said about it last preseason:

“In the modern day game, you don't need tacklers the same way you used to,” Ferguson said. “There's no call for it. It's about anticipation and reading the game.

“The refereeing is also of such a standard now that you can hardly tackle anyone, so that sort of thing isn't the same issue as it used to be.
“Carrick can read the game and also play in front of the back four. If you look at the central midfielders in the Premier League, he can match up against any of them in terms of quality – the likes of (Luka) Modric, Yaya Toure, those are probably the best central midfielders and Gerrard.”

United’s midfield options have improved during the summer following Anderson’s return to fitness and the arrivals of Shinji Kagawa and Nick Powell.
Fletcher’s insistence yesterday (Fri) that he is not considering retirement in his battle against colitis is backed by Ferguson's determination to give the 28-year-old time to recover fully, but the United manager believes that a fit Carrick is crucial this season.

Ferguson said: “I think Carrick is the key to it. He did really well in second half of last season and I think he's going to be the key man.
“Scholes and Giggs will obviously play their part and Tom Cleverley hopefully, as well as Anderson if he keeps fit. They will all play a part but for me Carrick is the key player.

“But we do have an issue in central midfield, there is no doubt about that because getting a Scholes or a Carrick is very difficult these days.
“We have the boy Powell coming through but he is young and, although he is a very good talent, he will eventually be a midfield player.

“Carrick has always had slow starts (to a season). He denies this, he doesn't think that's true, but I do.
“By the time he gets to December he starts playing consistently well, but he had a really good end to last season, so he's the key to us.”
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