What tipped you off? Was the it the 11 years of managing Everton part, or something else?
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What tipped you off? Was the it the 11 years of managing Everton part, or something else?
IMO, we lowballed Everton and will do again because we know Everton will sell us both players and it's a test to see who blinks first. Everton won't want to wait until too close to the end of the window because they need some time to replace the players but they can't get them in first because then we can really lowball them. That statement was nothing more than a tactic to try to put the pressure on them but in reality we are sitting pretty. If they sell great, we get the two players for a reasonable price, if they don't then it's not like not getting RvP last year. Baines in particular is one we could do without and while Fellaini is more important he's not so important that they can put us over a barrel.
I rarely agree with you Pete but this is spot on. feck me, it's not like we offered them 10million and a packet of dates. It was an 'in the ball park' figure if on the lowside and certainly not derisory or insulting. That statement was retarded.
Martinez probably didn't help himself with his Fellaini comments (about if there was a bid they'd have to look at it). Imo he made it obvious he's not really in his plans.
I'm sorry to be negative, but feckinghell, is this the best they have in mind? all the bluffing and bullshitting and he ends up going for two mid table plodders from his old team, that's some scouting that.
Only one packet of dates? Tight cnuts.
I've been a certified Fellaini hater ever since I set eyes on his borderline mono-browed face and stupid afro haircut; but he might turn out to be a very good signing, and we need some proven Premiership quality in midfield.
I might even come to like the ugly fecker... somehow.
I might even come to like the ugly fecker... somehow.
All done for the fans' benefit mate. They don't want to be seen as pushovers, which I can understand. But we did make a fuss about Real's courting, if that's the right word, of Ronaldo, and Wenger had just cause to gripe about the shameful way Barcelona went after Fabregas. It's teh norm now for clubs to posture in the press, even when the transfer concerns a player who is really nothing more that a decent addition to a big club's squad. But having said that, I thought Ian Holloway's behaviour was exemplary during the Zaha transfer. That's how business should be conducted; with a bit of dignity.
I'm sort of warming to the idea of bringing in Fellaini now that it seems we aren't going to get any of our 'primary' targets - I guess we'll never really know who our primary targets actually are though.
You can't deny he's proven Premier League quality, and he did have an excellent season last year, however I'm not convinced he's a good enough player to solve our midfield issues. He certainly isn't the player who's going to help us become a force in Europe again, and I think he's quite limited in his technical ability. One big plus for me would the addition of someone with a bit of fight, who likes an aerial battle and won't be afraid to get stuck in a bit in the middle of the pitch.
That's not really the kind of players we've been used to under Fergie though.
You can't deny he's proven Premier League quality, and he did have an excellent season last year, however I'm not convinced he's a good enough player to solve our midfield issues. He certainly isn't the player who's going to help us become a force in Europe again, and I think he's quite limited in his technical ability. One big plus for me would the addition of someone with a bit of fight, who likes an aerial battle and won't be afraid to get stuck in a bit in the middle of the pitch.
That's not really the kind of players we've been used to under Fergie though.
Phil Jones doesn't agree. I think Jones would feature more alongside Carrick, if he's not made of glass, or really hopeless in passing. In the past, we had O'Shea there with Giggs in midfield.
Jones isn't the limited squad player who didn't really excel at any position that O'Shea was, though. United can't really afford to waste Jones' development playing him out of position.
He'll probably spend some time between right and center back over the next season or two. After Rio hangs up his boots, however, Vidic/Evans/Jones will likely be the main men and Vidic hasn't got too much time left himself.
He'll probably spend some time between right and center back over the next season or two. After Rio hangs up his boots, however, Vidic/Evans/Jones will likely be the main men and Vidic hasn't got too much time left himself.
Baines just makes no sense whatsoever and Fellaini's not right for us.
More than anything, I'm disappointed that we've waited until so late in the window the step up our pursuit of two players that everyone knew we were after much earlier. Even though I'm disappointed we're after these two, I'd have been happier had they had pre-season with us.
Meh.
More than anything, I'm disappointed that we've waited until so late in the window the step up our pursuit of two players that everyone knew we were after much earlier. Even though I'm disappointed we're after these two, I'd have been happier had they had pre-season with us.
Meh.
It has seemed to me inevitable that we would end up buying him. So I certainly wish we'd have done it sooner if we're gonna do it.
Moyes said he was after a defensive midfielder and an attacking one. Fellaini is a very good defensive choice for me. Plus if we go to a midfield 3 he has all the attributes in abundance what we miss in the midfield. A real quality signing for me adds lots of depth and choice and will improve us big time on Cleverley and Anderson. Although I hoped we would sign Fabregas this type of player was needed regardless. Now we just need a Modric or Fabregas type to replace Anderson and our midfield options will be very strong. Whether this is this season or next the signing of Fellaini would really improve us.
Belgian press sport wereld seems convinced that Fellaini is determined to get his move to OT, so let's just put in a sensible bid and get it over with.
Season tickets, replica kits, merchandise, television packages? The club doesn't pick it's money from out of it's arse.
OK I take your point but it does not matter, we the supporter do not have a say in how the money is spent.
We might put it in the club, the point I was making is we have no say in how it is spent.
Then they can keep the players, not qualify for Europe and keep piling up the debt.
Well I doubt he'd get a better chance to join us. All this rubbish about him feeling unwanted not being first choice won't matter at all to players like Fellaini who would be desperate to play for us or another big club.
Spot on.
Honestly Id rather have luke shaw and will hughes saving some money for the january window
The hatred for Fellaini has reached new levels. Will Hughes looks a decent player by the way. In the championship. Bit of a step up.
And I reckon Luke Shaw would cost a fortune.
Id prefer Shaw to Baines myself however
a) its very difficult to buy anyone in the January jumble sale. Many players are cup tied and those who aren't are usually needed by their clubs
b) has it crossed your mind that the Felliani/Baines deal may have any impact on our budget this season. Think about it. We offered 28m the same exact sum given to us by Chelski for Rooney. If we believe that Moyes is not lying then there's ample funds to bring the marquee signing Moyes want and if its true that we're aiming for Ronaldo then we will need the dirty Belgian cnut to do the hardwork
c) Dont we have enough young midfielders already?
I get the feeling that Everton fans absolutely don't want Baines leaving but are okay with fellaini going. Says something about fellaini's quality?
Could it be that they prefer Mccarthy to him as he fits in Martinez game perfectly?
I've been watching a lot of Will Hughes for the last year. The kid is a class act. Barkley will show what he can do this season, and Williams at Palace could become a top midfielder too. Some good young midfield talent around.
Quite excited about this one now. Offers something completely different to what we already have both in midfield and as an attacking option.
In that case he should suit us well? Don't see it.
When you consider how many posters on here wanted a 'destroyer' in midfield a while back, it's quite baffling to see so many not in favour of us signing Felliaini, who is good defensively, can chip in with a few goals and is pretty decent on the ball. I think that he'll prove a lot of people wrong if we end up signing him. He has more to his game than a lot of people on here seem to think.
He's never seemed a great tackler to me. I've wanted us to sign a tackler but one with more class on the ball and better at... tackling.
A lot of people didn't, considering the formation we play, a lot wanted a more offensively minded, creative midfielder to partner Carrick, and/or a backup for Carrick.
There's a reason SAF said he didn't like defensive midfielders, because he knew they weren't ideal for us.
You've been watching his feet too much. He tackles with his elbows.
His defensive game is more about positioning, trying to get that interception. He can get stuck in too when he wants to, and even though he can be rash, I think we've needed somebody with a presence for a while in midfield.
I think Baines will always look impressive there because of the role he plays, they love him. Fellaini has hit the ceiling there, the team isn't good enough overall so his contribution is underrated. When he comes here he'll improve as a player and we'll reap the benefits.
Like the first match last season against Everton. If we'd had Fellaini our midfield wouldn't have been bossed by Fellaini
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