Young is a much better example, yes. He also had the English tax though and was just as crucial to Villa as Fellaini is to Everton. I don't think that overall Fellaini is a better player though it's hard to compare as they are very different footballers. It's hard to see how they could reasonably expect more than 20m for Fellaini.
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Young is a much better example, yes. He also had the English tax though and was just as crucial to Villa as Fellaini is to Everton. I don't think that overall Fellaini is a better player though it's hard to compare as they are very different footballers. It's hard to see how they could reasonably expect more than 20m for Fellaini.
I can understand if Everton feel the bids were insulting but why make that public when there really was no need to? Also their statement does not even make it clear that the players aren't for sale at any price. This seems a dirty tactic from Everton to force to overpay.
You don't really seem to be getting my point.
They leaked the offers to the press last night, only to make an official statement hours later that matches the leak almost down to the wording.
I guess they just wanted the full attention all day.
Yeah, the only one we overpayed for in recent years is Young IMO.
They aren't even comparable. RVP is one of the best strikers in the world, and went for an initial £18mil. Baines is a very good fullback, worth not much more if any more than we supposedly offered. Which was double the fee they spent on him. Fellaini is a decent midfielder who I wouldn't be bother about signing, and a microphone headed feck. He isn't worth £20 odd million, evidenced by the fact that not.one club bothered trying to sign him when they could have signed him for that amount without needing permission. Again, where is the insult? How much are these players actually worth, if not how much United bid? If its a couple of million here or there for either, then what the feck is insulting about it? If you owned a car that had a book price of £14,000 and I offered you £12,000 would you be offended and insulted by it?
I'm speaking from a United perspective, yes, and as a United fan I think the fee is fair. If Everton don't agree then reject it instead of acting like big fecking blouses to the press. Its Kenwright showing his "creative side" flouncing around like a big woman being insulted by everything. I bet he read the fax aghast, hand over his mouth before fanning himself down at the the indignation of it all.
I take it you rate him, I don't. It's that simple really not exactly rocket science.
Well he had a release clause of £23m. I think somewhere around £20m with add ons would be just about fair enough, as I think Silent Witness intimated earlier. They spent £15m, so they would expect with a more inflated market and an improved player to make a considerable profit.
It will be a funny Summer if, after everything, we sign these two at the very end of it.
Because you're preaching about our clubs behaviour when Arsenal have been guily of the dickiest bid all summer.
Nobody wanted to pay £23m for Fellaini. That to me would put his worth around £20m and Baines is worth no more than £15m. Being £3-4m away form a players value on an opening bid isn't what I would consider insulting. Everton are dreaming if they think they can get huge fees for the two.
When they both could have been wrapped up before preseason (and aren't what we need etc..).
So we're a few million short of what Everton would likely deem a fair bid? Oh no, call the cops.
As has been repeated here on numerous occasions, you bid the same amount twice for a player. If you'd bid £14m for Baines, it wouldn't have garnered Everton's response. It's the fact you went in and bid no different that riled them.
He's worth more to Everton than he is to us, although that might change under Martinez. We wouldn't benefit from aspects of his game that influence his price, such as his versatility which led to more goals.
Where are you getting the Gibson fee from? It was reported around half a million. My point is that Utd have dealt well with Everton and given a number of players on the cheap. They aren't duty bound to sell us players cheap but I'd say we deserve a little better than the shite coming out of Goodison right now. You think otherwise so there's no more to say on the matter.
So by this same logic, if Real Madrid offers 16m for Rafael and Chicharito it wouldn't be insulting because it represent ~7m profit on what we paid for them?
It'll make them determined not to sell us both, so we'll relent and just take Fellaini, which was probably the plan all along. Woodward is a genius.
You haven't a clue what we bid either time or what riled Everton. Twice Everton have chosen to make public that we bid. They're playing games.
Why do some people care if we overpay or not? it's not like ticket prices will be reduced if we save some money, let the glazers worry about that.
Is it indeed? Baines was worth £12mil in 2007 was he? Everton were right cheeky bastards, signing him for an insulting £6mil in 2007 then, weren't they?
It wouldn't be insulting, it would be ridiculous. Nothing insulting about it, just funny.
Also, we agreed to sign Rafael when he was 16. Hardly the same thing.
Fellaini and Baines haven't improved at the same rate nor do they offer the same potential for time at the club.
I want us to sign Fellani. Its about time we had a bit of a cnut in our midfield.
He also reminds me a little bit of Yaya Toure.
He also reminds me a little bit of Yaya Toure.
Of course they will because thats just over what they paid for him. They'd obviously want a fair bit on top of that.
16 million is fair but wont get the player. Not even close
They're both tall and strong but that's about it. It's like those Pogba-Vieira comparisons back in the day, those were also based on nothing but a slight physical resemblance.
No, because funnily enough, he's got better in that period of time.
Although I generally agree with the other points you've made about clubs being insulted too easily. Everyone just needs to man up.
They are much better than what they were when Everton signed them. They are their two best players. It is stupid saying that the offer was right because they turn 7m profit on two players they have signed 5-6 years ago (especially considering how the prices in today's market are).
Erm RvP is arguably the best player in the league. He really is not the best example to use and is hardly comparable to Baines + Fellaini. Young would be a better example.
I wouldn't be offended by it. I'd rather we didn't sell for that amount, but the bid wouldn't upset me.
Both those players are worth substantially more then their counterpoints in your argument, by the way. They aren't even comparable.
Its more about overpaying for Fellaini. If we're going to overpay for someone we might as well pick someone better and overpay for them
Well for me it's more than I'm sure that there are better players, or players who will be better for a similar amount if not less or established players who might cost just a bit more and are better. It's like I wish we hadn't have signed Young for 18m when we could have got Mata/Silva/Carzola for a little bit more.
I think the issue some people have is that we never went any higher than 30m for Fabregas even though he would slot into our midfield without any problems yet we are willing to overpay for Fellaini considering we could have got him for 23m.
I don't really understand why Everton are so offended by this. We are clearly trying to unsettle the players, but we are doing it in accordance with the rules, and not using one of the dozens of other much more shady ways clubs can and do use to turn heads.
The odd thing here is Everton's motivation in making the bid public. What is the point of doing that? The most logical reason is that the players want to leave, and they expect them to leave and want to move things forward as quickly as possible. United haven't made this public. We made a private offer and it was rejected.
I expect we will end up getting them both for around £32-35m, and for me that is very decent value for two players that will add a lot of strength to this squad. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fellaini starting for us against Chelsea next monday.
The odd thing here is Everton's motivation in making the bid public. What is the point of doing that? The most logical reason is that the players want to leave, and they expect them to leave and want to move things forward as quickly as possible. United haven't made this public. We made a private offer and it was rejected.
I expect we will end up getting them both for around £32-35m, and for me that is very decent value for two players that will add a lot of strength to this squad. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fellaini starting for us against Chelsea next monday.
Their information is coming from Everton though who are quite clearly up to something. Not sure I would take them at face value.
A lot of people here said that Chelsea's offer for Rooney was insulting. All these offers were offers that there wasn't a chance in hell that the other club would accept. I seriously doubt that Everton would accept anything less that 35 for the two of them which IMO is right considering the prices clubs are paying nowadays. My example was only to tell you that saying that they take some profit on two players they have signed 5-6 years ago is as a poor argument as it gets, especially considering how they have improved and how the market's prices are now higher.
A really lowball imo - everybody knows that this was a pointless bid, as was the Fabregas one at £26m! It'll take a bid of in excess of £35m to get the two of them ~ which I am sure we will bid (just) before the window shuts
I doubt we will pay £23m for him now considering that we could have taken him for that price at any point. The club are probably relieved that there seems to be no serious competition for his signature at this point.
I think at this stage getting Fellaini is a must this summer seeing as we are unlikely or close to signing anyone else in CM. I for one would prefer him to Ando or Cleverley alongside Carrick in that CM role next Monday.
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