So why make it public now when United haven't?
Its bizzare. If the players arent for sale, or the offer's to low then reject the bid and move on.
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So why make it public now when United haven't?
Its bizzare. If the players arent for sale, or the offer's to low then reject the bid and move on.
Everton was no way on going to accept that offer. If someone had posted those figures on the caf this morning (before the news broke out), he/she would have been laughed off and insulted for sure.
Not really. You bid a £1 over the clause and it was a dicky move. It's also less than what Liverpool were prepared to sell him at. I don't see the difference other than the clubs involved. Utd have made a bid for players. Simple as that.
I'm only pissing around step down. I know where you are coming from though and yes it isn't insulting I agree.
It is a tad disrespectful though, but then as I stated, football is cut-throat. Moyes does not owe Everton now, his responsibility is towards United. I'm sure if he was Chief Exec he would want to give them a damn good price, but he isn't in charge of that, so any blame towards him is a bit baseless.
Baines is definitely worth more than £12 million though, he was amongst the top 5 full-backs in Europe last season. Then again players are only worth what someone will pay for them I suppose.
This statement for me means that the deal will most likely happen, for a start they don't make it clear that they won't sell, they just want more money, which i think they'll get eventually.
This is a chance in a lifetime for baines and fellaini, i can't see how everton can keep them after this.
This is a chance in a lifetime for baines and fellaini, i can't see how everton can keep them after this.
If the figures are correct we did take the piss with our opening bid....... but it is an opening bid and that happens.
I wouldn't pay any more than £35m for the pair though. If anybody wants to talk about derisory, let's talk Chelsea and Rooney.
An Arsenal fan criticizing United over lowballing.
and much as much as I sympathise with Everton, I think a statement on OS is a bit too much.
Nah, he has said exactly what was needed to be said.
Indeed. And Utd managed to handle that without looking like wankers.If the figures are correct we did take the piss with our opening bid....... but it is an opening bid and that happens.
If anybody wants to talk about derisory, let's talk Chelsea and Rooney.
Not the first time we've insulted a club for a player.
It wasn't really. If you believe a release clause to be anything above £40m, why would you bid more? We were wrong, it seems, but the reasoning stands.
No-one is complaining that United have made a bid for the players. It's just £28m is never in a million years going to be accepted and it is a derisory bid.
They had already briefed the media about the bids. I don't think there was any need for the statement on OS.
Our first bid for Fabregas was 26m, Chelsea's first bid for Rooney was 23m. Both of the bids grossly undervalue the player and can be labelled as "derisory" and yet none of the clubs posted the statement on their OS.
Maybe watch the player then....you know the real thing?
And no it is impossible to make Kilbane look good through a Youtube compilation, as you actually need good things to put in it.
United offered what they think is fair value. If Everton don't agree then reject the bid, tell United either they are not for sell at any price, or not at the current valuation. No need to run to the press whining like bitches about how offensive the bid is. It's a bid for a couple of footballers, that represents a profit to Everton.
Its probably a fair, reasonable price for Baines, and in my opinion, probably about right for Fellaini. Everton won't agree, they'll value him higher but he clearly isn't worth his buy out clause, and I wouldn't value him much higher than they paid for him. You'd get McCarthy for around what we've supposedly bid for Fellaini, and I'd do that rather than up the bid. I wouldn't bid any higher for Baines.
Where's the insult?
Everton should stop crying.
I have that's the problem.
What club has done anything like what Arsenal did. Clearly Liverpool thought it was insulting given their reaction. perhaps if Arsenal had not been so dicky they would've been more open to negotiations. It's an opening bid and they're not worth much more than what's been offered. Utd haven't told anyone about this. Why have Everton?
Everton are probably very much willing to sell and they're trying to put pressure on us to offer more money. Otherwise going public makes zero sense whatsoever.
You're thinking about this as a United fan and what you'd consider to be a good deal for your club. I don't think you've moved with the times. Everton can point to the fact that you spent near enough £25m on Van Persie in the last year of his deal, but decide that Fellaini and Baines, heavily contracted, are only worth £28m between them. From their point of view, I imagine that's the insult.
The bid is about £4m below their market value, I have no idea how that's "insulting", in fact I think it's quite a generous opening bid considering what we offered for Fabregas and what Chelsea offered for Rooney.
Yep, this one is as good as a done deal in my eyes.
If these were our first bids of the summer, nobody would be saying they were 'insulting' to Everton. As far as a starting bids go, they are hardly out of the ordinary. The Fabregas bids have clearly frustrated a lot of fans..
As for what Everton themselves have stated, it's more classeless on their part IMO.
As for what Everton themselves have stated, it's more classeless on their part IMO.
I don't really understand what you're trying to argue and why you're bringing my club into this when we're not relevant to this discussion.
If you believe their value is close to £28m for the pair then you haven't followed transfers for the last five years. That's what they were worth between them in 2007.
Our club is stuck in 2005 when it comes to transfer fees.
What the feck has Van Persie got to do with it? He's worth about twice as much as Fellaini and Baines combined. They might as well moan about how Real Madrid paid 80m for Ronaldo yet we won't offer 40m for that freak of a microphone.
What was the point of leaking it, if they were gonna make it official anyway?And can this Baines shit please stop!?
It's an indication of how inflated transfer fees are. Look at £17m for Young in the last year of his contract. If you look at what United have spent before on players, Everton would be expecting a lot more, even from an initial bid.
And can this Baines shit please stop!?
They didn't want to stir shit before their first game of the season.
Argument is your way of making a point. Everton paid United what they wanted for those players. Saha was an undisclosed fee for an injury prone player not in the managers plans, poor example. I don't know how you can quantify generosity in transfer fees, it's just not applicable. A club pays what the seller wants or they don't get.
Howard was a wreck of a keeper who's confidence was shot, Everton built him up again. Phil Neville was a servant of the club and it is only right he was allowed to leave for a reasonable fee of £3.5 million. Gibson the same at £2 million, these were not key players unlike Baines and Fellaini.
Your point/argument whatever is rubbish and laced with arrogance.
Really do think Fellaini will be a beast at United and will prove a lot of doubters wrong.
I wouldn't mind us getting him, I just hope we don't overpay because we've left it pretty late.
I wouldn't mind us getting him, I just hope we don't overpay because we've left it pretty late.
I liked Everton's reason for not making it public earlier btw.
We didn't reveal as it would disrupt Martinez's preparations for the first match but we'll reveal it now so it disrupts Martinez's preparations for the second match.
We didn't reveal as it would disrupt Martinez's preparations for the first match but we'll reveal it now so it disrupts Martinez's preparations for the second match.
They leaked it today.
Only when it comes to players of the highest quality. We were happy to pay something like 15m for Zaha, a Championship winger.
This will go on and on until monday 2nd of september.
What have you been watching then, his daft haircut?
Zaha was 10m and probably the right cost to pay.
Young is the most baffling recent one.
Zaha is a special talent. 15m was a good price for him. Also wasn't much of it covered in addons?
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