I'd probably go for Carrick and Anderson over him too tbh. and Carrick and Jones (and I don't even like Jones in CM). I just don't think Fellaini suits us or is what we need at all.
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I'd probably go for Carrick and Anderson over him too tbh. and Carrick and Jones (and I don't even like Jones in CM). I just don't think Fellaini suits us or is what we need at all.
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12m was rejected because we deemed it below his valuation.
16m for a player we bought for 15m?
If we really needed it we would have accepted, but we have shown no signs of needing the money at all.
16 million is a fair value for him, possibly 20 million being the maximum. United shouldn't really care how much you bought him for either way.
Utd: This is his value, either accept or leave.
Everton: Rejected.
Done, no backhanded tactics or being classless.
Yes, and if they don't sell him, they will get less than £12m, and still have to replace him somewhere down the line. It's up to them. Welcome to the world of being David Moyes, Roberto Martinez.
fecking hell.
It's like people on here think that Emile Heskey's put a bloody wig on and is pretending he's a midfielder these days.
He's a better midfielder than Jones, it's so obvious that he is that it's ridiculous to even make the point, and he's a better player than Anderson too, with the added bonus that he can play more than 3 games without getting injured.
Both very good players, both experienced in PL. They will improve us no doubt, but not to the amount we need for Champions league, thats my only issue.
Not surprised at the low bid, especially for both of them. We are trying to unsettle the two of them. I think this was why we waited until after the release clause went, if we bid for him befor ethat they would just point to the release clause and say 'that or nothing'. Perhaps waiting for it to expire united are hoping they will accept a lower bid. Bear in mind Everton have absolutely no money and need to sell to buy. Also, for people moaning about stupidly low bids, i always think there is a little bit of good faith in them, we knew it would not be accepted, it gives the other team a chance to at least look like they are trying to fght for a better price to their fans. Works, eventually for both teams....not sure that has proved to be the case with fabregas though...
Not surprised at the low bid, especially for both of them. We are trying to unsettle the two of them. I think this was why we waited until after the release clause went, if we bid for him befor ethat they would just point to the release clause and say 'that or nothing'. Perhaps waiting for it to expire united are hoping they will accept a lower bid. Bear in mind Everton have absolutely no money and need to sell to buy. Also, for people moaning about stupidly low bids, i always think there is a little bit of good faith in them, we knew it would not be accepted, it gives the other team a chance to at least look like they are trying to fght for a better price to their fans. Works, eventually for both teams....not sure that has proved to be the case with fabregas though...
On the topic of Fellaini himself, we definitely could use him vs City/Chelsea away and tough away games where Cleverly will be bullied off the ball a lot, he's not entirely useless. For years we've wanted a bit of steel in the midfield, this is the player that could give us that.
I think he's decent and I think he'll at least be a good squad player for us for a few years.
At 24 the next 2-3 years will tell. He only really broke into the first team properly last year and then missed a lot of games through injury.
Overall I think Fellaini would be a good signing, I couldn't give a feck if some gimps on the Internet think the amounts we're offering are embarrassing.
Making a low opening bid isnt embarrassing, blowing the guts of 100m on Carroll, Downing and Henderson and finishing 7th is fecking embarrassing.
More and more I find myself hoping we win nothing for a couple of years, maybe some of our supporters would get so embarrassed they'd die of shame and we won't have to read as much bullshit anymore.
I'm not convinced we want Baines, I think it may be a way of gaining extra leverage with the Fellaini deal. Offer £28m for both and then come back a week later with a £20m offer for Fellaini and a guarantee that we'll stop our pursuit of Baines. Everton are happy because Baines is staying and we're happy because we've signed the player we wanted. Or I could be talking nonsense, in which case I have no idea why we've bid £12m for Baines again.
We rejected 12m before, does he think We will lose our memory and accept the same fee a month down the line? Insulting.
It's not Uniteds valuation that matters, it's ours. Martinez said that he was delighted the clause was lifted, so I think in all honesty he believes that 20m is the lowest bid we will accept from you.
It is classless in the sense that I can only see this as being an attempt to unsettle the two.
It might if he wants to leave and they realise they're unlikely to get a better offer. Or they might decide they're better off keeping him.
I don't think we need him enough to be bidding over our own valuation. Leave the ball in their court basically.
Fellaini is a bit different but again, don't think the offer is too far off. Just that we need a midfielder and Everton probably could keep hold of him for another year or two and potentially cash in. We'd probably have to pay over the odds to get him, I'd guess.
The good thing about signing these two is that. if we manage to keep Nani and Rooney and get these two, our squad is really strong and good. Then we can try to get a marquee signing, if it does not work out, we can still manage and do well. Will put us in a not so desperate situation in regards to that marquee signing too. We can go right up till the end of the window, without fearing the worst.
It's just us setting out our stall, I think. Similarly you have done the same thing by leaking to the media, both are arguably classless. Both don't really matter, and we'll come to a middle ground sooner or later.
Yep, if anyone thinks Fellaini won't improve our options then they are idiots. The debate over how a multi milion pound business spend it's millions doesn't interest me. Do these gimps go through the rest of the accounts? "OMG have you seen our matchday security bill, it's sooooooooooooo embarrassing!"
Bend over, take it and thank us for it afterwards.
Wasn't it your side that revealed that we had bid for them?
Sounds like genuine negotiations to me, start low to get a reasonable price. Everton being Everton, likely need to sell so we'd be stupid to offer full value straight away.
I don't think it's that, we are simply trying to get players on the cheap for some reason hence two similar bids for Baines. Perhaps it's a combination of Moyes and Woodward trying to make an in impression of being careful with money at the beginning in their new roles.
Well that's what I was trying to get at, if he was the other player than either Moyes/Woodward don't think he's worth over 20m or they've been collectively a bit stupid if they were targeting him and then let his release clause expire.
It's true it's hard to name targets, personally from actually known players I would be inclined to go for De Rossi or Marchiso if they're available. De Rossi is old but he's a very good player and could give us a number of peak years and time to properly identify a long term player. Or personally I would try for Song who I think is a better cm then Fellaini and probably cheaper as Barca really don't need him and might actually be willing to sell him. But I can see why he wouldn't be everyones first choice either. Then beyond that you'd think with all the scouts united must have and given they should really have been looking for a few years, there must be a player at a smaller club/league able to step up.
I'm more than happy to take Fellaini over no one I just can't believe there aren't better available players out there.
But the thing is we haven't shown any signs of needing to sell anyone. I'm really hoping we play hardball ala Lescott.
In terms of individual ability of both Cleverley and Fellaini, it's pretty clear that Fellaini is a better player who can do a whole alot more than what Cleverley can. I like Cleverley and I want him to succeed, but Fellani is just better. He's been a stand out performer in the Premier League for 2 or 3 years. Cleverley may well improve, but he's only a year younger than Fellaini, and Fellaini at 23-24, was better than Cleverley is now, with ease.
They rejected it when they would have had two months to find a replacement, they were never going to accept it now whether Baines wants to leave or not. If we don't think he's worth more than £12m then fine, we don't buy him. All this bid was ever going to achieve was to piss off a club that we have a relatively good relationship with.
If we're going to effectively replace Cleverley, an exciting young academy graduate, then it really ought to only be with someone truly special. Fabregas was fair enough, but Fellaini would be the first United signing in some time that I've been actively annoyed by. At least we've bid what he's worth, and hopefully won't go any higher.
Does no one love Cleverley anymore?
Doesn't much look like it...
If he signs their will be the mother of all meltdowns if he plays in the Number 10 role especially if Rooney leaves.
A lot of ifs but it could happen.
A lot of ifs but it could happen.
Tbf though I guess Fellaini can come in as competition for everyone in the middle able to play with or for Carrick. We always needed an alternative to Carrick, imo more than we need a creative player. I still think Clev will get good game time but better for him to have to earn his spot rather than get it by default.
Does no one love Cleverley anymore?
I think it's a balancing out. Last August I thought we had an Iniesta clone judging by some of the reviews. He's finding his level and the fans are finding theirs in their opinion of him. He's a nice tidy player but a little too much echoing what Carrick does for me, I think we are a bit dull with both of them in the side.
I don't think Moyes is an idiot. He must have realized this isn't Everton.
Obviously it wont be his primary position but it could happen the odd time with rotations and injuries.
Its a club trying to get the best deal it can - as it should do in every transfer. Nothing more or less than that. They've made an offer which they know will be rejected, Everton will come back with a much higher figure and they'll probably reach a compromise.
What it does do is put pressure on the selling club who will want to have replacements lined up and in order to do a deal early might settle for a bit less.
You really don't. Making an unrealistic offer as your first attempt is pointless.
Why would Moyes do that? He only played him there for Everton because they had nobody else.
This has been true (and I've been saying it) for about five years. But Fellaini isn't a DM at all. As it stands we do at least have Jones as a capable defensive midfielder, so it's not like it was a couple of years ago when we'd probably have fallen apart the moment Carrick got a knock.
Cleverley is a good player. But I think a role in the midfield two stretches him a little too much.
We'd have more of a chance of getting a bargain by putting a good bid first, there'd actually be a chance they'd accept it without trying to squeeze every penny out of United. The concept of all transfer negotiations being like this, i.e. one club saying £28m and the other wanting £40m+ with them meeting in the middle as the most successful form of negotiating is a bit wrong.
The story seems to have come from Everton so you have no idea when we made the bid. It could very easily still just be the same initial one and we've said take it or leave it.
I mean, I've not been a fan of Woodward's dumb behaviour during the summer, but you're looking for criticisms that aren't there to be made I think.
£12m is a good offer, and it isn't going to piss anyone off, except for possibly Baines if Everton stand by rejecting it.
Particularly at this point in the window, when the selling club needs a bigger incentive to allow their squad to be weakened before they can bring in replacements.
You see I don't think its unrealistic though, but ok.
I'm really struggling to come up with names, I'd even say De Rossi and Marchiso are unrealistic personally. I'm sure they'll have younger players but I guess we're wanting/needing someone who can come in and make an impact. Which is why I think Fellaini would be a good acquisition.
It's also possible we bid more then £28 million - this could be Everton's version of our apparent leaking of Chelsea bidding £10m + Mata for Rooney.
Basically, who the feck knows these days.
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