Does no one love Cleverley anymore?
Carrick and Cleverley > Carrick and Fellaini.
Cleverley might still have room for improvement, but he's a better fit for our team than Fellaini imo, and I'd rather he got games to push him on over Fellaini.
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Carrick and Cleverley > Carrick and Fellaini.
Cleverley might still have room for improvement, but he's a better fit for our team than Fellaini imo, and I'd rather he got games to push him on over Fellaini.
This is a bit reminiscent of the Carrick transfer.
'He's good but not that good, not worth £X million, we should be signing a bigger name.' blah blah blah.
If we sign Fellani and retain the league no one will give a shit.
'He's good but not that good, not worth £X million, we should be signing a bigger name.' blah blah blah.
If we sign Fellani and retain the league no one will give a shit.
Is that right? Oddly enough, I make my living negotiating with people. But thanks for the free lesson anyway.
We did start low. We bid £12m for Baines. So unless we haven't increased the bid for him at all, we appear to have offered Everton less than they paid for Fellaini a few years ago, before he became one of their best players and PL and internationally proven.
As I said, I have no difficulty with us bidding what we did, as we're obviously entitled to, but it seems utterly pointless to me. The only way it makes sense to me is if it's an attempt to unsettle the players and have them drive the moves.
Its a habit of the BBC never to surprise. Very poor journalism at most levels.
Head on over to the Cleverly to thread and you'll see people claiming Adnan is a better option than Cleverly.
£12m isn't insulting, £12m twice obviously is a little bit.
If we were going for Fellaini (and Baines) why not just bid £30m+ for the pair early doors and get it done?
Can't say I want these transfers that much, I even tried to convince myself they wouldn't happen.... Both players would improve our side but I'm happy with Evra (he was great against Swansea and all last season). Fellaini improves our squad more directly, but is he really the player we need? I'm not so sure.
Can't say I want these transfers that much, I even tried to convince myself they wouldn't happen.... Both players would improve our side but I'm happy with Evra (he was great against Swansea and all last season). Fellaini improves our squad more directly, but is he really the player we need? I'm not so sure.
Does no one love Cleverley anymore?
I used to be a big Cleverley fan but I don't see him consistently putting in 7/8/9 out of 10 performances for us. Too many 6/10 displays from him over the course of the last twelve months. He looked clumsy against Swansea too, I'm afraid to admit.
No it isn't insulting but I think the only issue is that they reportedly rejected a £12m bid back in June and we haven't increased the offer.
Exactly how I feel, it's not the bids or Woodward/Moyles who is embarrassing, it's our own fans.
It's insulting to bid 12m when we flat out rejected it before hand. Then to only bid 16m for a player we bought for 15m, who is twice the player he was when he came here, is insulting.
We were never going to accept this, and quite rightly the club has been angered by it. Cheap tactics from what I thought was a classy club.
We were never going to accept this, and quite rightly the club has been angered by it. Cheap tactics from what I thought was a classy club.
They play in different positions so I'm not sure why I would want to get in that debate anyway since they're not competing for the same spot. Cleverley and Fellaini would.
It's worth noting we've scored 2 goals in 2 games from early Evra deliveries.
Well think we all agree that Young was over priced. Valencia was a reasonable price for an upcoming winger and was catching the eye as a winger. Jones is a top young talent. Fellaini is no doubt worth 20m plus to Everton, but the problem for us is that everything driving that valuation is from his performances as a number 10, a role we have no need for him in. He hasn't played a deeper role, properly for a few seasons there so he's not been developing his ability in that role. Everton may have paid 17m for him to start with but there's no saying that wasn't overpriced in the way Young is. All I can say is I've not seen much from him to say he'd be a £20m midfielder. I mean Song is same age as him, much more established in his role and he went for 15m.
Nah, I'm not at all tetchy (about this, at least). I just think it's a waste of time. Saying "we have our valuation of the players and we won't move from it" is fine, and if we move on because of that I wouldn't have any difficulties with it, I just don't see the point of making a bid that will be rejected out of hand.
Andersons better too... Not having a go, just marvelling at the variance in opinions.
We don't need Baines, and Fellaini doesn't suit our style, so to us they're not worth as much, whereas they're probably your best players so you would value them more.
I think he's probably worth what Everton paid. They overpaid at the time. If Fellaini comes to United and is successful then he becomes a £20m plus player. He's got to improve and step up a level, or two. Too be honest I like him and if we have to pay £23-25m I would be happy with getting him. I think that's what it will take.
I really dont understand what it is some of you are seeing. I thought Tom had a very good game against Swansea. Clumsy? I watched the game again because of whats being said in here and on a second watching he appeared to me to have an even better game than I first thought. He clears so many passing channels with his movement off the ball and provides so may outlets for other players with his availability but I guess the majority of people in here are just blind to it.
Better than Fellaini? Yes.
You're welcome but I didn't say it was a free lesson, a fee will be in the post
Of course its an offer to unsettle them, I'm guessing, but I think both players might be interested in playing for United managed by their old boss? So why not try unsettle them, might save a few million in the long run. I've no idea why now for Fellaini when he had a clause not long ago but maybe they think they can get him for a similar price anyway and they wanted to see about other targets?
Carrick was clearly a class act to be fair. Morons thought otherwise...and then when we signed him spent about a year expecting him to change the type of player he was, despite Fergie repeatedly stating he'd bought him for what he already can do, and not to turn him into something else.
Fellaini's a bit more of a gamble...but I'm fairly sure there were loads of people on here demanding we sign either him or Dembele at about this time last year.
Now it's a bad idea and the fee is "insulting"...where as if we offer £20+ it will no doubt be overspending.
Around what we've offered seems fair enough to me. He will want the move and Everton probably aren't going to get that much more for him if they dig their heels in.
Are you an absolute moron? HEY LADS WE DON'T NEED BAINES SO WE WILL JUST BID 12M FOR A LAUGH EH?
You're getting loads of cash for two players, whom you will inevitably replace with bargain buys as you always do, giving your club more cash and more financial muscle. Why does he have to feck off?
He's only played 30 odd games for us.
I was at the game and I remember saying to my Dad that Cleverley stood out more than Carrick for me, keeping things ticking, and good movement in particular, then when I got home I come on here to see him being called anonymous.
You're welcome but I didn't say it was a free lesson, a fee will be in the post
Of course its an offer to unsettle them, I'm guessing, but I think both players might be interested in playing for United managed by their old boss? So why not try unsettle them, might save a few million in the long run. I've no idea why now for Fellaini when he had a clause not long ago but maybe they think they can get him for a similar price anyway and they wanted to see about other targets?
Could be that Moyes/Woodward doesn't think Fellaini is a 23m+ player. It's odd though cause hardly like Fabregas and Fellaini can be classed as remotely similar players. Moyes spoke at first about bringing in two midfielders at first, can't imagine though he was thinking of bringing in both these guys, but it's a pretty drastic switch in types of player.
Why increase the offer? It's a good one, and it might be that Baines is also pushing for the move.
If they don't want it they can keep Baines and we'll still have Evra, Fabio and Buttner. Don't think it's one of those where we NEED to sign the player so there's no real point being drawn into a haggling contest.
Don't worry I'm equally miffed that we've even bid for them.
I don't think they need to sell Baines. He adds a lot to their team. If he leaves and they try to buy players to cover the holes his departure leaves, they will need more than 12m
I've never seen that much in him to be honest. He's ok, and there's a squad place for him, but I have to say the fans he has compared to O Shea or Gibson makes no sense to me. I think he's a fraction of the player McCarthy is.
That was a very Irish biased post. Hmm.
Fellaini and McCarthy is what we'll end up with.
12m was rejected because we deemed it below his valuation.
16m for a player we bought for 15m?
If we really needed it we would have accepted, but we have shown no signs of needing the money at all.
It's almost like you can pick different players for different games depending on what you need.
I find it always laughable that people in the Fellaini and Baines threads always go on about United not valuing the players as how highly Everton do. Well to be honest, it is Evertons valuation at the end if the day as we are the ones who are selling the player.
Do you say the same about Rooney going to Chelsea for laughably low fees? No, you laugh at it because it's pathetic and you feel they're worth more than that, and rightly so.
Do you say the same about Rooney going to Chelsea for laughably low fees? No, you laugh at it because it's pathetic and you feel they're worth more than that, and rightly so.
12m was rejected because we deemed it below his valuation.
16m for a player we bought for 15m?
If we really needed it we would have accepted, but we have shown no signs of needing the money at all.
Just because you overpaid for Fellaini doesn't mean we should have to. Nobody is going to bid £36m for Andy Carroll.
We made an offer what we think Fellaini is worth. You rejected it. I don't see what the problem is. The Baines one is a bit weird considering we've just ha a bid knocked back
I thought that Fellaini was the always the 'other' player when he spoke about 2 midfielders. Surprised they've left it so long but it must be due to other targets, the only reasonable explanation I can think of.
Thinking about it, I know Fellaini isn't everyones preferred choice but I'm struggling to come up with other realistic targets.
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