He's just turned 20. Of course he hasn't been prolific yet. But everything I have seen of him suggests he's going pile up the goals provide we start to play more attacking football.
Felipe Anderson
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He's just turned 20. Of course he hasn't been prolific yet. But everything I have seen of him suggests he's going pile up the goals provide we start to play more attacking football.
We arent getting Lucas Moura, 50 mil or not.
PSG simply dont sell their best players. Not even to Madrid or Barca (they've tried and failed).
If you think so, usually the knack for being a natural goal scorer shows itself early, he's always been more of a drifting wide forward than a striker.
I could pull out stats for all goalscorers aged 19 and I'd say Martial's record wouldn't be all that bad especially given he's only started to play up top this season.
I'm actually glad you've said that.
I was about 8 minutes in to watching that video and was waiting for something good to happen...it didn't.
Except he's on their bench and not thier best player.
He played up there a few times for Monaco as well, the thing is he doesn't stay in the position meaning there's often no one in the box where the #9 should be. For now we'd be much better off letting him develop as a LWF and buying in someone for the other side and a proven #9.
crazy we go after this guy when you think we had ADM only a few months ago, and how we used him 
That can be added to his game though. He has potential to be the best striker in the world and we should help him realize that not feck around with this position. If you look at the games he's played CF he's done very well in all aspects. Good hold up play, can create his own chances and very good finisher. We've already fecked about with Januzaj, let's not ruin Martial as well.
I don't think PSG would want to sell mid season. Even though he's a bench boy, he usually comes on and with them still being in the CL, I can't see us being willing to pay the kind of figure they would want for someone that hardly starts.
I don't think playing him on the left would harm him at all as it suits his expansive game and allows him tog et more involved, I think he has the potential to develop into a Neymar style of wide forward much more so than a back to goal #9, we shouldn't be pinning next season on him being our main goal source IMO.
If Lazio really want £30mln for a guy who isn't even a regular starter for them, then it's because Manchester United want him.
They'll probably sell him to Inter or Napoli for about 10 million euros 1 or 2 transfer windows from now.
They'll probably sell him to Inter or Napoli for about 10 million euros 1 or 2 transfer windows from now.
This would be a good signing for us. He's got good control and technique, can do the intricate dribbling as well as the Bale-style kick and run when there is space to be exploited. Good shot on both feet also.
I watched him give Paddy Evra a bit of a run around last season, which doesn't happen often even now.
I watched him give Paddy Evra a bit of a run around last season, which doesn't happen often even now.
Is he better than Gaitan?
Towards the end of the season he suddenly exploded into a dangerous threat and added goals to his game.. scored eight goals in 12 games for Monaco during season end and continued the scoring trend for the first five or so games for us until he got shifted around by LvG. It suggests he was well on his way to mature into the footballer he could become as alot of super talented players have undergone the same sudden transformation.
Still think he is best as a striker, but right now the rest of the team creates next to nothing to let him flourish as much as he could... Although he has still done well by scoring one in three.
A lot of the goals for Monaco came from playing off the left as well though, I just think this team is way too short on goals not to add a proven #9 and just keep Martial as a fee roaming wide forward, his skills add a lot to that role, certainly more than Depay, Lingard or Young
They are the important words. I would worry paying that sort of money for someone who hasn't shown that sort of form this season. We need somebody has produced that for at least a couple of seasons and more notably this season. I don't want anymore one season wonders or players who are on their way down.
Who?Is he better than Gaitan?
For thirty something million pounds you expect to be buying a player in form. I don't think we would pay the figures being quoted if we are really interested. However, the story is we had a bid rejected for him in the summer which upset him. His manager then criticized him publicly for pushing for a move. Side pretty much the beginning of the season, he's been in and out of the team. It's clear he and the coach don't fancy each other. But he's been out of the team seem more than just performance related because he's been in and out since the start of the season when he was by far their best player last year.
His league goals from last season:
05/10/14 - PSG (A) - central
07/03/15 - Evian (A) - from the left
13/03/15 - Bastia (H) - goal 1 central, goal 2 central
22/03/15 - Reims (A) - central
03/04/15 - Saint Etienne (H) - central
10/04/15 - SM Caen (A) - central
26/04/15 - Lens (A) - from the left
03/05/15 - Toulouse (H) - penalty, he was fouled coming from the left though
Majority came on a run of games when he was central. Do agree with you that his skills add a heck of a lot as he's much better than Memphis, Lingard or Young and would like to see him continue to torment defences from the left but long term think his future is as a number 9 and looks like what we're possibly trying to do this window is bring in a pacy wide player to feed Martial
There's certainly more games central than I expected but for now I think we'd be making a mistake to pin the goal scoring responsibility on him. In the summer we should go all in for a #9 and leave Martial as the left wide attacker, then see how he develops as he matures.
Exactly the type of player we need really. Really fast, right winger who can play on either side, good on the ball, and with a lot of potential. Also he's class on FM. Ideally we would get a right winger like him who is the finished article already but there isn't really anybody like that so we have to go with potential. All for it though.
Another £40m (probably) on potential though? It's all mounting up and to be honest we're not reaping the benefits of having all these young stars just yet!
Even Martial who's probably been our best outfield player this season is having finishing problems (no sex pun intended). Memphis has been poo and Shaw's missing a leg... combined total of £90m and rising!
I'd prefer us to go all out for a proven class player, like Griezmann. Obviously that won't happen in Jan but hopefully we'll go for him or someone similar in the summer.
Felipe to United would not make a lot of sense, especially for £30 million+ - because for that amount of money, and in terms of being a January signing, the expectation would be for him to make an instant impact. And he's far too inconsistent right now to be able to do that, especially when transitioning from the Seria A to the Premier League. In terms of his potential over the medium term, Felipe would be a quality addition to the squad, and maybe even become a big long-term contributor - provided we develop him properly and place him in a system which would bring out the best qualities in him. To the arguments about him being a nothing player/ worse than Young, the videos have done him a disservice; plus, he's underperforming this season - Stefano Pioli has mismanaged him repeatedly, a lot of times he has made him a space goat for the team's failing as a whole, the player reportedly doesn't get along with him, Di Marzio said he thought he was leaving Lazio but had to stay because the deal fell through, etc. All of that is having an effect on his performances when this was supposed to the year when he progressed to another level, after the fireworks to close the previous season out. Youtube compilations aren't the be all and end all for gauging someone's talent - a quick browse through of Di María or Hernández's tepid body of work under Louis is testament to that.
In terms of what he could offer - he would add deadly pace, dribbling ability and goals from wider areas (which is what we need right now). More of a momentum based dribbler than a wizard in tight spaces - he can outrun most players but needs some space to operate in - so ideally suited to a counter-attacking setup like Leicester where he'll have room to operate in on the break, than a possession team where he'll be asked to be a quality passer in the build up and probe defenses. Also, he is almost exactly the type of player Van Gaal detests with all his might - not one for adhering to strict tactical instructions, temperamental, cocky, can give the impression that he knows better. Flashes immense potential in one game, then blows cold for the next two - sometimes you wonder how he is even a professional footballer when his form is bad - overall he's very much a work in progress and not what we need. More of a Fergie type of youngster - a little fragile mentally, someone who needs an arm around the neck from time to time, to be reassured, and given the license to try things until he finds some consistency. Van Gaal will see an inconsistent Brazilian who needs to be infused with automatism, and completely ruin him by limiting his movement, individuality and impact on the game. Think it's best for both United and Felipe if we don't sign him.
In terms of what he could offer - he would add deadly pace, dribbling ability and goals from wider areas (which is what we need right now). More of a momentum based dribbler than a wizard in tight spaces - he can outrun most players but needs some space to operate in - so ideally suited to a counter-attacking setup like Leicester where he'll have room to operate in on the break, than a possession team where he'll be asked to be a quality passer in the build up and probe defenses. Also, he is almost exactly the type of player Van Gaal detests with all his might - not one for adhering to strict tactical instructions, temperamental, cocky, can give the impression that he knows better. Flashes immense potential in one game, then blows cold for the next two - sometimes you wonder how he is even a professional footballer when his form is bad - overall he's very much a work in progress and not what we need. More of a Fergie type of youngster - a little fragile mentally, someone who needs an arm around the neck from time to time, to be reassured, and given the license to try things until he finds some consistency. Van Gaal will see an inconsistent Brazilian who needs to be infused with automatism, and completely ruin him by limiting his movement, individuality and impact on the game. Think it's best for both United and Felipe if we don't sign him.
Money isnt really a problem for us so yeah. Griezmann isn't a right winger at all. He isn't somebody with great pace who can take players on and destroy teams like that. What he basically is, is a more aggressive, direct and a bit more mobile version of Mata. World class as a second striker, in that #10 position, but he wouldn't be as good out on the right, and probably struggle a bit in the Premier League.
I agree with you that we need a top player, but there isn't anyone, so going for someone with potential is our best option. I'd say we need something like this:
World class player > potential to be a top player > just a good player, no real room for improvement.
Any of Mahrez, Sane, Anderson, Lucas, Bale, Muller, and even Mane would be very good signings, just Muller and Bale are unrealistic, so its one of the others which is all mostly potential, and all would cost £30m+.
Isn't that the guy who didn't know how to order anything else than spaghetti carbonara for half a year and thus had only one good half of a season so far? According to some poster on here his 15/16 season has been so far underwhelming as well. Looks like an expensive gamble.
Agree but I don't think van Gaal will be here for too much longer so I don't think its that big of a problem. And besides, a winger with pace who can play on the right is the priority, so if he's the only one available, even though he's more potential, then so be it. We just need one more then anything. We need a couple if anything, considering we have no winger who is starting XI quality.
Depay is not rapid.
Yep, that's him.
I don't think that is the right approach given the price being talked about, we already have one over hyped winger from an inferior league struggling to adjust to the PL, we don't need 2. No point in adding a player with so little already established when he isn't going to add the goals we lack. The thing stopping us from getting top 4 is a consistent, proven #9, Felipe Anderson isn't going to help solve that issue at all, we'd do just as well to bring Wilson back and let him and Lingard have the RW spot.
He's not met LvG yet?
I know money isn't a problem, I don't really mind how much the club spends, but it doesn't exactly reflect well on our decision making/talent finding if we're spending loads on players that aren't as good as we thought. Not that I think Martial and Memphis are duds, they'll probably come good - especially Martial once he gets played in the middle a lot more.
United always seem to overspend but never seem to have the players our rivals do, especially recently under LVG.
hang on, how in anyway has Martial not been 'as good as we thought'?
I like Anderson as a player, but the number that is thrown around. Wow. Clubs must add a PrEDium of 20M pounds onto every transfer. Anderson is a €20-25M purchase. That´s it. For 40 you can most certainly get Isco or Calhanoglu. United need a playmaker more than a winger.
I don't think we've overspent on any player under LVG apart from Di Maria. Attackers in this day and age are very expensive. I just think we simply haven't bought enough attackers in the last three transfer windows. Out next door neighbors have spent £135m on their attack in the same time despite having Aguero and Silva. Considering the number we have sold, IMO it's more of not spending enough on attack than overspending on the ones we have.
I really don't think we do. I seriously doubt we can get a better playmaker than Mata, and how badly he's playing, alongside how badly every playmaker has done playing at 10 under Van Gaal suggests that whoever we get will be mis-used anyway.
Completely disagree. We don't have a single winger that's good enough to play there every week. Martial is as close as it comes, but he's also our best striker. If we put out a lineup to include the most pace and wingers, it has Lingard and Memphis/Young on the wings and Rooney as a 10. That's fecking awful for a club of our size. We need 2 wingers who are starting 11 quality, 1 at the very least in January. More so then our need for a striker. Is Anderson that player? Maybe in the future, but at least he's got the pace and actually being a right winger quality.
Bringing in a playmaker would hardly change anything. There's nobody making runs or with pace to stretch teams other then Martial, so its no surprise that Mata, Herrera and the like don't look creative.
I'd be all for signing him if Van Gaal leaving, and being replaced by a more progressive/ less pedantic manager was set in stone because above all else Felipe needs a quality man manager (like Fergie or Ancelotti). But for all we know, Louis could be here for a while (certainly seems that way given the change in narrative post Chelsea for some odd reason), and I just can't see Felipe thriving under him. He offers what we crave in terms of the overall skillset and dynamism from wider areas, but Van Gaal has his own 'profile', and he doesn't like inconsistency, mental lapses, or unnecessary loss of possession (all of which are a guaranteed feature with Felipe right now - while he sorts himself out, and adjusts to the league/ demands at United) - unless the player is brilliant enough to compensate for that with consistent match winning performances.
That will necessitate a steep learning/ developmental curve, and IMO Van Gaal doesn't usually have the patience to see that individualistic 'process' through because it can disrupt the team's overall setup/ balance, and if he doesn't like the player (and he won't like Felipe because he will do his own thing than listen to Van Gaal and adhere to his instructions). It's a marriage that's bound to fail (much like with Di María once we started dropping him, tinkering with his position and using him as a forward - while the player's performances got progressively worse), and I'd rather we spend that money elsewhere and put Felipe on the backburner while Louis is here because he might not have the desired impact; and that will just put a ton of pressure on him psychologically which is not a recipe for success with a player who has struggled mentally in Italy at a club where expectations are much lower than at United.
Overall, I like him very much, but the timing just doesn't seem right - especially with the current manager in place and the fact that we need assured performances from any addition. Van Gaal could genuinely rekt Felipe, that's one of my primary concerns with the deal.
Considering a better player Dybala went for €40m, I can't see how we would spen €50 on him. I'd be happy if he comes but doubt it's for anything like that figure.
We don't have the same quality player because we haven't gone for 2 obvious players in the last 2 years. De Bruyne and Sanchez would've been perfect signings for us. We had di maria last year. And we just let all of them go to other teams. Because of that, there's virtually nobody available. We could maybe get Griezmann, but he's a #10, not a winger, and Atletico is basically the 4th best team in the world so he might want to stay. Bale is our next best option, but who knows if he's realistic or not. We should still buy someone in January, and then try for Bale in the summer, so we don't go all or nothing on him. We need a couple of wingers anyway, so buying a realistic player first is a better option.
Wait, how on earth did we need De Bruyne? I know he's a good player, but he hardly fits the profile.
Sanchez wasn't interested in joining us.