FC Bayern 17/18 discussion

Andycoleno9 said:
Wow, they are biggest hypocrits in the world. First all those "concerns" about scweinie, then stealing all best players from rivals and today they reached peak. Uli hoeness said - "bayern will not be involved in transfer madness". After they spent 150 mil( if you count james future fee).:lol:
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you are right about Bayerns management team being hypocrites. Are, have been, always will be.

You are a bit deluded about the rest you wrote, though.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I can't understand how they wouldn't be all over Sanchez.

Also, they are going to have to pay top rate wages sooner or later. Good won't be enough.
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He priced himself out of a move due to the his wage demands.
 
Lyricist said:
Lewandowski
Ribery-Müller-James-Robben
Thiago-Vidal-Tolisso
Alaba-Hummels-Martinez-Boateng-Kimmich
Neuer

Pick 11 players out of these and you won't be far off really.

Süle, Bernat, Rafinha, Rudy, Sanches, Coman to come on additionally.
Bernat might've actually had a chance to compete with Alaba had he not got injured in preseason.
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Neuer

Kimmich Boateng Hummels Alaba

Thiago Tolisso Vidal

Robben James

Lewandowski


Could it be in this way?
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Neuer

Kimmich Boateng Hummels Alaba

Thiago Tolisso Vidal

Robben James

Lewandowski


Could it be in this way?
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I hope not. I really dislike the christmas tree. I would replace one of Vidal, Thiago, Tolisso with Ribery or Müller. I also don't want to see Thiago as a 10.
 
schwalbe said:
I hope not. I really dislike the christmas tree. I would replace one of Vidal, Thiago, Tolisso with Ribery or Müller. I also don't want to see Thiago as a 10.
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So

Thiago Vidal

Robben James Ribéry

Lewa

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It would make more sense.
 
Till they sack a mediocre and outdated one like Ancelotti they have no chance of winning big trophies outside Germany.
 
::sonny:: said:
Till they sack a mediocre and outdated one like Ancelotti they have no chance of winning big trophies outside Germany.
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Many considered Heynckes to be mediocre and outdated. Until he won the triple and moped the floor with the league, that is. Never underestimate those old foxes. There's a reason they won so many titles.
 
This one is for the Bayern fans. I don't follow them outside of the champions league, so just a couple of questions.

How is the team under Ancelotti compared to Pep's Bayern? In terms of playing style and also in terms of winning?
Also what is the deal with Muller? Is it that the player doesn't suit the system or is it that he didn't perform well enough last season? For me, that guy is the face of Bayern Munich.

If you could have Pep back in place of Carlo, would you do it?
 
::sonny:: said:
Till they sack a mediocre and outdated one like Ancelotti they have no chance of winning big trophies outside Germany.
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Well Ancelotti is still the only one who has won the Champions League 3 times among the todays managers so to call him mediocre and outdated is very silly. However even his relaxed style of management is not suitable everywhere. Many people thought that he's the perfect replacement for the total control freak manager such as Guardiola but i think he is not. His style is more about using the strengths of his players and maximize them instead of relaying of certain system or structure. Pep's Bayern was very system-oriented team. Carlo abandoned that system and that caused a lot of problems for Bayern. Lets wait and see his second season but i think he will be gone by the end of it.
 
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::sonny:: said:
Till they sack a mediocre and outdated one like Ancelotti they have no chance of winning big trophies outside Germany.
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Ancelotti has one of the best credentials when it comes to the CL. That's what Bayern want.
 
Varun said:
Ancelotti has one of the best credentials when it comes to the CL. That's what Bayern want.
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Not right now. Their goal this season is merely the national championship. They aren't stupid. They know they've relied on Ribery and Robben for 1-2 seasons too long. And now they're scrambling to switch to a younger generation. Ancelotti's mission this season is to make it happen and establish the next generation. Expect Robben and Ribery to be benched a lot. I predict a lot of press and media drama later in the season if Ancelotti does his job properly.
 
Lagger said:
Not right now. Their goal this season is merely the national championship. They aren't stupid. They know they've relied on Ribery and Robben for 1-2 seasons too long. And now they're scrambling to switch to a younger generation. Ancelotti's mission this season is to make it happen and establish the next generation. Expect Robben and Ribery to be benched a lot. I predict a lot of press and media drama later in the season if Ancelotti does his job properly.
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Ancelotti being made responsible for bringing youth in is strange in that case.
 
Varun said:
Ancelotti being made responsible for bringing youth in is strange in that case.
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Given his reputation, it is a bit strange. On the other hand, who else are your options after Guardiola decides to fulfill his dream at City? We'll make do, I guess. Ancelotti's probably not so bad if your alternative is some mediocre German football teacher that hasn't felt more pressure than relegation so far.
 
Lagger said:
Given his reputation, it is a bit strange. On the other hand, who else are your options after Guardiola decides to fulfill his dream at City? We'll make do, I guess. Ancelotti's probably not so bad if your alternative is some mediocre German football teacher that hasn't felt more pressure than relegation so far.
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Who's that?

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Edit: Okay, must be Tuchel. Didn't click with me because in the summer of 2016 he had already coached a full season at Dortmund, which involved a bit more and different pressure than his stint at Mainz.
 
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As long as it's not Mirsolav fecking Klose i'm fine.
 
PedroMendez said:
Later the club will announce the new DoF. It is probably going to be Brazzo....he wouldn't be my first, second, third or tenth choice
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Rummenigge: "Eine Art Innenminister, als wichtigster Ansprechpartner für den Trainer, die Spieler, den Trainerstab, die medizinische Abteilung und alle weiteren Mitarbeiter im Teamumfeld, sowie als Bindeglied zum Präsidium und der Geschäftsführung. Gleichzeitig muss er den Klub in den Medien vertreten. Zudem gilt es mit der Nachwuchsabteilung vernetzt zu sein."

i'll translate: "We want him to fill the crucial, albeit non-management position of master clown"
 
Synco said:
Who's that?

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Edit: Okay, must be Tuchel. Didn't click with me because in the summer of 2016 he had already coached a full season at Dortmund, which involved a bit more and different pressure than his stint at Mainz.
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No one in particular, but looking at the managers in the Bundesliga... there's not much proven quality. A lot of people good at managing Bundesliga teams, but how many of them have experience at being successful in the CL?
 
Lagger said:
No one in particular, but looking at the managers in the Bundesliga... there's not much proven quality. A lot of people good at managing Bundesliga teams, but how many of them have experience at being successful in the CL?
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True, no German manager is remotely close to Carlo's pedigree and experience. Tuchel wasn't available in 2016 anyway, and the apparent reasons for his Dortmund exit make me doubt that he would have survived in Bayern's shark pool for very long.
 
Synco said:
True, no German manager is remotely close to Carlo's pedigree and experience. Tuchel wasn't available in 2016 anyway, and the apparent reasons for his Dortmund exit make me doubt that he would have survived in Bayern's shark pool for very long.
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I don't think anybody will touch Tuchel easily in BuLi after the way he got himself kicked out of Mainz and Dortmund.
Nagelsmann seems destined to be Carlo's heir at Bayern, but let's better check that he's not a one season wonder.
 
Anybody watching the Liverpool game? Same old weaknesses shown by Bayern. Why do both full-backs push up so high when the CBs are Hummels and Martinez?
 
fcbforever said:
We have weaknesses, this isn't one of them.
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It is when the CBs have no recovery pace, the midfielders in front are not defensively supportive and the opposition has Mane and Salah. The way Rafinha went ahead for the first goal was downright irresponsible.

At least stay back on the opposite side!
 
SirMattBugsby said:
It is when the CBs have no recovery pace, the midfielders in front are not defensively supportive and the opposition has Mane and Salah. The way Rafinha went ahead for the first goal was downright irresponsible.

At least stay back on the opposite side!
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It's just that Rafinha is rather shit and not as fast as he used to be. He won't be first choice anyway.
 
Rafinha is too weak even as a backup. Coman needs to start. I know it's debatable, but Bernat should start ahead of Alaba.
But the main problem is they somehow don't know how to play as a team recently.
 
This is the weakest Bayern squad in a long time, genuine lack of 'wow' players in the team . I think United for example are way off the pace of European elites but still very few players in this Bayern squad who I would want at United
 
What do you think of Tolisso? Is Coman in a good shape?
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This is the weakest Bayern squad in a long time, genuine lack of 'wow' players in the team . I think United for example are way off the pace of European elites but still very few players in this Bayern squad who I would want at United
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In my book Lewandowski, Neuer, Müller, Thiago, Boateng, Vidal, Alaba, Hummels, Martinez, James are elite players when fit & in a good shape. I know some of them have struggled with injuries and form issues recently (a few even quite massively), but if Ancelotti can manage to let this group play close to its best, Bayern has a world class team.

Kimmich definitely has the potential to get there too, and Robben/Ribery are regularly among Bayerns standout performers in the games they can be wheeled out for. (But of course they can't really be depended upon anymore.)

So individual quality is still massive, to me the decisive issues will be fitness/form and the tactical shape of the team. Perhaps the squad could do with one or two top players in key positions (DLP, winger), but it remains to be seen what Ancelotti's plans with James are.
 
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Ayush_reddevil said:
This is the weakest Bayern squad in a long time, genuine lack of 'wow' players in the team . I think United for example are way off the pace of European elites but still very few players in this Bayern squad who I would want at United
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Not much different to what Pep had at his disposal, tbh. I think they lack motivations.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This is the weakest Bayern squad in a long time, genuine lack of 'wow' players in the team . I think United for example are way off the pace of European elites but still very few players in this Bayern squad who I would want at United
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I genuinely hope you are exaggerating here, unless your definition of 'wow' is "Wow, that was awful." Even a 30-something Ribéry will walk into our first eleven.
 
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