FC Bayern 17/18 discussion

They'll be fine.

I could see them being a hair lower in quality if they can't find wingers in a couple years when Ribery and Robben are done, but the other spots all look damn strong. Lewandowski-Muller-James-Thiago-Tolisso-Alaba-Kimmich-Boateng-Hummels-Neuer all have 4-5 years of quality football or more left and Sule, Dorsch and Coman and other younger players look talented.
 
NoPace said:
They'll be fine.

I could see them being a hair lower in quality if they can't find wingers in a couple years when Ribery and Robben are done, but the other spots all look damn strong. Lewandowski-Muller-James-Thiago-Tolisso-Alaba-Kimmich-Boateng-Hummels-Neuer all have 4-5 years of quality football or more left and Sule, Dorsch and Coman and other younger players look talented.
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Also they still have the luxury of being able to cherrypick the best talent from the BL on the cheap, that isn't a luxury any PL club has.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Also they still have the luxury of being able to cherrypick the best talent from the BL on the cheap, that isn't a luxury any PL club has.
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Don't know about this anymore. We should, but we seem to be too conservative on the market to do so. We missed out on Sane and De Bruyne for example.
 
It's not like bayern has dips on all bl players. Pl teams can make offers for any player they like.
 
strongwalker said:
I tend to disagree. Bayern *will* eventually join the race, if it will be necessary to maintain the current status, being one of the big 5. Has been done in the past when Ribery and Toni were hired.

At the moment, Bayern is a big club thriving to become even bigger (see: asian adventure etc.).
Already they do have backers, just they aren't sheiks and oligarchs, but global industry players: Adidas, Audi, Allianz. Each owns 8-point-something percent of the AG.
In 2-3 years, the club will be valued 1.5Mia/Bio € - so selling another 10-15% either to the existing partners or a new one would finance a Neymar-like transfer, even in compliance with current FF rules - and on an arguably more solid basis than any gulf-based benefactor could provide. The current business model does simply not allow them to fall into a state where they are no more attractive to those kind of partners.
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Bayern can't keep selling shares to finance players. At some point, there's nothing left to sell. Those investments by huge global players have been done to finance long-term investments like the arena and youth centre, not to support short-term investments like players. You are right about the asian market, but Bayern is still vastly behind the Premier League in that regard. And let's not forget, the current trade triangle begins in the UK. With their bloated TV contracts, they are the ones inflating the market. PSG can only make these deals because of their Middle Eastern money and Barca and Real Madrid do not have to worry about proper financing, because they're in Spain.

Bayern can't sustain investments like this. You're speaking about selling off another 10-15%. Which 10-15%? Bayern only owns 75%, the rest is already gone. Another sell off would probably mean they're down to 66%... we're getting awfully close to that magic 50% mark that we can't/don't want to cross. And you're using that to finance one player transfer? What about next year? The year after? We're talking about the big three doing these kinds of mad deals every year here. This is sheer madness.

I don't want to say it's all doom and gloom, but I don't see how Bayern can keep up financially with these kinds of shady deals unless the German TV market brings us up to speed. England gets 5 times more than Germany for an arguably worse product and the two spanish teams get all the leeway they want from auditors. Remember, Barca is renovating their stadium for about 100 million per year while doing these kinds of deals. FFP? I have yet to see anything come off that.. it's a sham.
 
zee.robs said:
It's not like bayern has dips on all bl players. Pl teams can make offers for any player they like.
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Few people know that there is a clause in the bavarian constitution that FC Bayern has the first right to every soul on german soil that can hit a ball ("jus primae noctis"). Foreign (non-bavarian) agents and scouts are under peril of being yodelled to death.
 
zee.robs said:
It's not like bayern has dips on all bl players. Pl teams can make offers for any player they like.
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Basically what strongwalker said. Kidding aside, we do have an advantage over foreign clubs when it gets to German talents, it cannot be denied.

HTG said:
Don't know about this anymore. We should, but we seem to be too conservative on the market to do so. We missed out on Sane and De Bruyne for example.
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Because we didn't want to meet the demands of Wolfsburg and Schalke. We could have gotten both players otherwise.
 
2ndTouch said:
Because we didn't want to meet the demands of Wolfsburg and Schalke. We could have gotten both players otherwise.
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That's the point. We can't afford some of those players anymore. Even though we were heavily interested.
 
HTG said:
That's the point. We can't afford some of those players anymore. Even though we were heavily interested.
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We chose not to pay the sums demanded, we could have afforded them nevertheless.
 
HTG said:
That's the point. We can't afford some of those players anymore. Even though we were heavily interested.
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we could have if we wanted to. Neymar-speaking, we never were the top-candidates for "the biggest transfer fee ever". Not in the Maradona times, not today. Hasn't hurt us much so far, i'd say. As i wrote above, as players "values" skyrocket, so do club's values.
Even PSG and Real can only field 11 players, there always will be value for money in the market. We've been good at getting these. Neymar at 222Mio ain't 10x Thiago.
 
2ndTouch said:
Basically what strongwalker said. Kidding aside, we do have an advantage over foreign clubs when it gets to German talents, it cannot be denied.



Because we didn't want to meet the demands of Wolfsburg and Schalke. We could have gotten both players otherwise.
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From what I remember reading at the time, hadn't Bayern also agreed a deal with Wolfsburg? de Bruyne ended up at City only because Bayern wanted him to sign the following summer, but he did not want to wait for family reasons.
 
Blackwidow said:
Robben's "Letter to his Younger Self" in the Player's Tribune

There is a part about Mourinho in it, too - and about John Terry and his time at Chelsea.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/arjen-robben-bayern-munich-letter-to-my-younger-self/
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Maybe John Terry's departure has been underrated. The part about Mourinho.. Martial should read that.

I also read Kimmich's piece and that was even better. Especially the part where he and his mates lose their playground to construction. Very relatable.
 
Hoeness' behaviour has been terrible since he returned. Every fecking day he's mouthing off publicly about one thing or another. things which he has no clue about, which are none of his fecking business and not for him to talk about. Every fecking day. And I'm not even mentioning the more than questionable internal reshuffling that's been going on.
 
Watching the match, as prestigious as they are, they have destroyed their own league and keep its level low.

They keep on top by weakening the other teams.

The Bundesliga is weak.
 
Bayern did not buy Mkhi, De Bruyne, Firminio, Gundogan, Draxler, Ter Stegen, Xhaka, etc Not just Bayern weakening the Bundesliga.
 
strongwalker said:
Yep, secured the next 10 titles by weakening Hoffenheim. does that nonsense never get old?
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It's not nonsense. It's not just Hoffenheim.
Hoffenheim was playing against Liverpool without 2 players who could have easily made the difference and sent them to the final stages of the Champions League.

The level is low.
 
Harry190 said:
It's not nonsense. It's not just Hoffenheim.
Hoffenheim was playing against Liverpool without 2 players who could have easily made the difference and sent them to the final stages of the Champions League.

The level is low.
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Yeah, that concept of smaller clubs losing their top players to big clubs is certainly unique to the BuLi.
 
Bayern's group is ideal imo. A truly tough opponent, a tricky one and an easy one. United's group makes me feel like we are still in Europa league! (No disrespect)

The PSG game will be interesting and a good measure of where Ancelotti's team stand. That said, Bayern always start strongly.

I hope Bayern defeats PSG in both fixtures and gets the remaining points from the home games against Anderlecht (GW1) and Celtic (GW3). This will hopefully give Celtic an outside chance to dump PSG out. That would be nice :drool:

PS: Celtic vs Bayern. Beer will flow on the streets..
 
User 72192 said:
Yeah, true, it is very unlikely to happen. The season has already begone, Robben is pretty old, loves Munich, Munich loves Robben, his family enjoys the safezone the city offers, Bayern would need an adaquate replacement for the wings (imo nothing in sight) and the list goes on. If Robben moves throughout his professional football carreer, he could go back to the Netherlands, not to England (plus not the best memories of the BPL, wasn't for him).
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Robben was excellent in the premier league
 
SirMattBugsby said:
Bayern's group is ideal imo. A truly tough opponent, a tricky one and an easy one. United's group makes me feel like we are still in Europa league! (No disrespect)

The PSG game will be interesting and a good measure of where Ancelotti's team stand. That said, Bayern always start strongly.

I hope Bayern defeats PSG in both fixtures and gets the remaining points from the home games against Anderlecht (GW1) and Celtic (GW3). This will hopefully give Celtic an outside chance to dump PSG out. That would be nice :drool:

PS: Celtic vs Bayern. Beer will flow on the streets..
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Anderlecht and Celtic are easy, imo. No problem at all.
 
Harry190 said:
It's not nonsense. It's not just Hoffenheim.
Hoffenheim was playing against Liverpool without 2 players who could have easily made the difference and sent them to the final stages of the Champions League.

The level is low.
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An underdog team performs exceptionally, their best players get better offers from better teams. Happens all the time.
Not saying Bayern weren't guilty of that tactic at some time (although many of those transfer battles were more like pissing contests between the bigger teams, as with Podolski or Schlaudraff), but not so much in the last decade. I recon every single player Bayern hired from within the BuLi the last 15 years would *not* have stayed a the old club in any case, so the old club would have been "weakened" anyway.
 
How on earth is it possible that another summer has gone by and we still do not have a single backup striker.

When Lewandowski has a bad day, and he's having a bad day right now for example, we don't have anybody to bring on.

Also, Carlo once again cementing his poverty 4-3-3 at the expense of Müller, and at the expense of goals.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
How on earth is it possible that another summer has gone by and we still do not have a single backup striker.

When Lewandowski has a bad day, and he's having a bad day right now for example, we don't have anybody to bring on.

Also, Carlo once again cementing his poverty 4-3-3 at the expense of Müller, and at the expense of goals.
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I don't think Lewy's having a bad day, by no means worse than any other Bayern player. The whole team has problems with creating chances and generally there are many misplaced passes and crosses or poor decision making. And this is the reason Bayern didn't score anything.
 
Jerzol78 said:
I don't think Lewy's having a bad day, by no means worse than any other Bayern player. The whole team has problems with creating chances and generally there are many misplaced passes and crosses or poor decision making. And this is the reason Bayern didn't score anything.
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Wasn't meaning to blame our poor attacking performance solely on Lewandowski. I just continue to think it's scandalous to only have one striker in the squad, whether you're an European top 5 team or fecking Kreisliga B
 
Welp... I like Carlo as a guy, but we are showing 0 progress. The 4-3-3 is toothless as always.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
How on earth is it possible that another summer has gone by and we still do not have a single backup striker.

When Lewandowski has a bad day, and he's having a bad day right now for example, we don't have anybody to bring on.

Also, Carlo once again cementing his poverty 4-3-3 at the expense of Müller, and at the expense of goals.
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I do not think many good strikers would be happy in a role where they would never start.
 
2nd game of the fecking season and already Carlo is annoying the shit out of me. Get one of those midfielders off. Vidal for example who has been terrible once again. Get Müller on. Change the fecking system. Anything less than a 4-0 win against Werder is not acceptable ffs.
 
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