FC Bayern 16/17 discussion

[strongwalker]

i'm underwhelmed with the matches so far. The team seems to be winning due to the individual quality of the players, not because of any kind of visible tactics or a game plan. Often, there were situations when one of the players couldn't penetrate on his wing, backtracked, and one could see he was expecting a teammate offering a pass option beind him, only there wasn't anyone.
Maybe it only looks like this compared to Pep's super-organization, i don't know. Players say Ancelotti is more like a father figure compared to Pep, and one could say, so was Jupp Heynckes - but still, Heynckes had very clear tactics as well. I hope Ancelotti isn't just that. People have been accusing Pep to only be successful with super-teams, i wonder if not the same thing could be said about him.

 

[NYC]

THis Bayern team is nowhere near as good as Pep's teams were...

Sloppy, somewhat lazy and very unclinical. I honestly think if Bayern replaced Lewandowski with Cavani or Benzema they would do just as well or even better. I don't know why Muller just doesn't play CF, his holdup/linkup play is so much better than lewandowski and with Robben back on the team, they need a very technical CF that's going to work hard for the team, ala Cavani/Benzema.

If anyone watches Bayern games, people complain about the misses Cavani/Benz commits, just watch lewandowski and see how many clear cut chances he gets per game. Benzema would of been the perfect CF for Pep during his tenure at bayern

Also, Muller has been very subpar as a RW this season so far. Might want to change tactics and put Muller as a CF or behind Lewandowski instead.

 

[finneh]

Is it just me that thinks they sleepwalking into a potential problem, albeit one that won't be recognised this season unless they have key injuries?

There squad seems somewhat thin, with a few key aging and injury prone players (albeit full of quality). I was fully expecting them to flex soke financial muscle and sign De Bruyne last season, as well as someone like Lacazette or Dybala this season. I see a few parallels with United in 2011, still a lot of quality but a few unnecesary holes appearing in the side.

Do the Bayern fans think that the board is being a little unambitious, potentially falling into old habits? Or is it more a case of saving a large sum for the right couple of player's when they become available? Or are the costs being banded around for players like De Bruyne (€65m+) turning the decision makers off?

Or am I wide of the mark and all is rosy in the garden?

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Bayern have problems but, they probably have the least amount of problems of all the major European clubs.

 

[Earthquake]

They'll be fine, once Dembele and Guerriero have had time to develop.

 

[Varun]

They'll be fine, once Dembele and Guerriero have had time to develop.

 

[Sarni]

THis Bayern team is nowhere near as good as Pep's teams were...

Sloppy, somewhat lazy and very unclinical. I honestly think if Bayern replaced Lewandowski with Cavani or Benzema they would do just as well or even better. I don't know why Muller just doesn't play CF, his holdup/linkup play is so much better than lewandowski and with Robben back on the team, they need a very technical CF that's going to work hard for the team, ala Cavani/Benzema.

If anyone watches Bayern games, people complain about the misses Cavani/Benz commits, just watch lewandowski and see how many clear cut chances he gets per game. Benzema would of been the perfect CF for Pep during his tenure at bayern

Also, Muller has been very subpar as a RW this season so far. Might want to change tactics and put Muller as a CF or behind Lewandowski instead.

Lewandowski is a far better centre forward than Cavani or Müller, even if he has been missing chances lately.

 

[Xivon]

THis Bayern team is nowhere near as good as Pep's teams were...

Of course not, we have a new manager. And as I already told you we didn't look like world beaters in Pep's first games as well.

What do people even expect after 7 games with Ancelotti in charge? We are still undefeated, have a goal difference of 26-1 and while there are problems I don't see why Ancelotti won't or can't adress them. We looked far better when we faced Hertha on Wednesday than we did when we played Ingolstadt and I take it as a step in the right direction.

As for Lewandowski: He has always been like that. He will miss the most easy ones and then go on and score a wonderful goal - and he was our top goalscorer last season. I don't want to replace him with anyone (and I don't think we would get the strikers you mentioned. We don't have the same appeal as Barcelona and Real nor do we have that much money to spend).

With the depth... I still believe we could have gone with a cover for Lewandowski and Müller and a proven but not world class CB who won't complain sitting on the bench. Right now the midfield seems to be the area on the pitch with the most problems anyway, imo, because I don't think Thiago can keep his great form and we don't have a player who can replace him. Maybe Kimmich as a #6 or #8, I don't have a clue where Ancelotti sees him, right now he just shifts him around (same goes for Thiago in midfield sometimes).

 

[strongwalker]

They'll be fine, once Dembele and Guerriero have had time to develop.

Until proven otherwise, i have both down as using BVB as a career move with the plan to end up in Barcelona, Madrid or England, Mikhytaryan-style. Of course, i thought the same about Aubameyang and Lewa

 

[Cristiano Lell]

When BILD blocked access to their pages while having AdBlock activated, I decided I might as well stop visiting that rag's website once and for all.

Today, I conceded defeat, and for the first time went through the obnoxious and demoralizing process of following BILD's orders, deactivating my Adblocker, and reloading the page a couple of times, all in order to view pictures of Carlo Ancelotti wearing Lederhosen

 

[fcbforever]

THis Bayern team is nowhere near as good as Pep's teams were...

Sloppy, somewhat lazy and very unclinical. I honestly think if Bayern replaced Lewandowski with Cavani or Benzema they would do just as well or even better. I don't know why Muller just doesn't play CF, his holdup/linkup play is so much better than lewandowski and with Robben back on the team, they need a very technical CF that's going to work hard for the team, ala Cavani/Benzema.

If anyone watches Bayern games, people complain about the misses Cavani/Benz commits, just watch lewandowski and see how many clear cut chances he gets per game. Benzema would of been the perfect CF for Pep during his tenure at bayern

Also, Muller has been very subpar as a RW this season so far. Might want to change tactics and put Muller as a CF or behind Lewandowski instead.

Edinson feckin' Cavani? We could probably play Kießling and be better off than him. He's shit. He's been for years.

And tbh, I think this team is better than Pep's. Because tbh, Pep's Bayern was always a bit shit.
Clinical in the league, yes, but unimaginative, easy to be countered and without any kind of plan B.
It will show in Manchester as well. That's what Pep does.
Build a machine to club the srubs, just to lose the games that actually count.

 

[Blackwidow]

When BILD blocked access to their pages while having AdBlock activated, I decided I might as well stop visiting that rag's website once and for all.

Today, I conceded defeat, and for the first time went through the obnoxious and demoralizing process of following BILD's orders, deactivating my Adblocker, and reloading the page a couple of times, all in order to view pictures of Carlo Ancelotti wearing Lederhosen

You do not have to go there as there is pictures of it in AZ, TZ (today) and on Youtube and the Bayern homepage when they did the Paulaner shooting.

 

[Cristiano Lell]

You do not have to go there as there is pictures of it in AZ, TZ (today) and on Youtube and the Bayern homepage when they did the Paulaner shooting.

I know. I visited all those places but BILD had one the rest of them didn't have, as far as I could see. Rest assured this will have been the only, and last, time I do this, nothing else but Carlo in Lederhosen will have the power to drag me to BILD's homepage.

 

[Stacks]

i'm underwhelmed with the matches so far. The team seems to be winning due to the individual quality of the players, not because of any kind of visible tactics or a game plan. Often, there were situations when one of the players couldn't penetrate on his wing, backtracked, and one could see he was expecting a teammate offering a pass option beind him, only there wasn't anyone.
Maybe it only looks like this compared to Pep's super-organization, i don't know. Players say Ancelotti is more like a father figure compared to Pep, and one could say, so was Jupp Heynckes - but still, Heynckes had very clear tactics as well. I hope Ancelotti isn't just that. People have been accusing Pep to only be successful with super-teams, i wonder if not the same thing could be said about him.

THis Bayern team is nowhere near as good as Pep's teams were...

Sloppy, somewhat lazy and very unclinical. I honestly think if Bayern replaced Lewandowski with Cavani or Benzema they would do just as well or even better. I don't know why Muller just doesn't play CF, his holdup/linkup play is so much better than lewandowski and with Robben back on the team, they need a very technical CF that's going to work hard for the team, ala Cavani/Benzema.

If anyone watches Bayern games, people complain about the misses Cavani/Benz commits, just watch lewandowski and see how many clear cut chances he gets per game. Benzema would of been the perfect CF for Pep during his tenure at bayern

Also, Muller has been very subpar as a RW this season so far. Might want to change tactics and put Muller as a CF or behind Lewandowski instead.

Pep is the most underappreciated coach out there. His teams and all their players get better once Pep has got stuck into them. people keep banging on about Huynckes winning the treble and ignore other factors. There were no MSN back then or RBB to contend with back then.

 

[Xivon]

We are getting a new pitch! No hybrid grass, all natural once again. Thank god.

 

[slig]

We are getting a new pitch! No hybrid grass, all natural once again. Thank god.

Why it was so bad? You watered it with Weißwurstwasser or Erdinger Beer or what was the problem? Cant remember that it was like that in the past, it wasnt so bad the last years, was it?

 

[saylon]

We are getting a new pitch! No hybrid grass, all natural once again. Thank god.

I wouldn't raise my hopes for the "all natural" part too much. The new pitch will be all natural because as far as I know it's simply not possible to "build/plant" one of those fancy hybrid fields within a week's time. And since they need quick solution until the Cologne match they'll just roll out a natural field.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not favoring hybrid fields but since those have some real advantages when it comes longevity while being played on by multiple teams (1860 still (ab)uses our holy green), I wouldn't be too suprised to see a hybrid field being installed during winter break or next summer.

 

[Cristiano Lell]

Our pitch is a bit shit, isn't it? Not just because of the rain, it looked like that since the season started.

Yeah I was surprised about that as well. It looked this bad straight from the beginning of the season. How could that happen when there was no one playing the whole summer?

What's up with the state of the pitch so early in the season?

Why it was so bad? You watered it with Weißwurstwasser or Erdinger Beer or what was the problem? Cant remember that it was like that in the past, it wasnt so bad the last years, was it?

Fungal infestation.

 

[slig]

Fungal infestation.

Crazy.

 

[PedroMendez]

aren´t some of the injuries connected to this hybrid gras?

 

[slig]

aren´t some of the injuries connected to this hybrid gras?

Yes, i remember the german n11 womens didnt want to play on such stuff cause of injuries that can happen. The ball also moves differently. Last year when we have to play against Odds BK in Norway they socred 3 and i guess one of the reasons was the strange pitch we couldnt handle from the begining.

 

[strongwalker]

Why it was so bad? You watered it with Erdinger Beer or what

Fungal infestation.

Ammounts to the same thing

 

[Balu]

Pep is the most underappreciated coach out there. His teams and all their players get better once Pep has got stuck into them. people keep banging on about Huynckes winning the treble and ignore other factors. There were no MSN back then or RBB to contend with back then.

Heynckes' treble winning side was clearly stronger than Pep's Bayern team in any of three seasons, it got nothing to do with MSN or RBB. Pep's job is massively underappreaciated because he kept the team close to the treble winning level despite never having Ribery and Robben fit together (at times he even missed both) along with losing the central midfield core of Schweinsteiger and Martinez to injuries pretty much completely throughout.

That's such a massive blow and I seriously doubt that any other manager would have handled the injury situation at Bayern as well as Pep did over the last 3 years.

 

[Stacks]

Heynckes' treble winning side was clearly stronger than Pep's Bayern team in any of three seasons, it got nothing to do with MSN or RBB. Pep's job is massively underappreaciated because he kept the team close to the treble winning level despite never having Ribery and Robben fit together (at times he even missed both) along with losing the central midfield core of Schweinsteiger and Martinez to injuries pretty much completely throughout.

That's such a massive blow and I seriously doubt that any other manager would have handled the injury situation at Bayern as well as Pep did over the last 3 years.

and Kroos. Are you suggesting Heynckes treble winning side would beat this Barcelona with MSN? or could handle Bale and Ronaldo? I think not

 

[Ramshock]

They won the bundesliga yet?

 

[Ramshock]

They'll be fine, once Dembele and Guerriero have had time to develop.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

and Kroos. Are you suggesting Heynckes treble winning side would beat this Barcelona with MSN? or could handle Bale and Ronaldo? I think not

That side vs last season's Real? I'd choose Bayern. Bloody Wolfsburg beat them 2-0 and they were held to two 0-0 draws with Roma and City.

I think it was quite a fortunate Champions League triumph. A relatively easy path to the final and then the lottery of a penalty shootout in the final.

 

[Giant Midget]

Heynckes' treble winning side was clearly stronger than Pep's Bayern team in any of three seasons, it got nothing to do with MSN or RBB. Pep's job is massively underappreaciated because he kept the team close to the treble winning level despite never having Ribery and Robben fit together (at times he even missed both) along with losing the central midfield core of Schweinsteiger and Martinez to injuries pretty much completely throughout.

That's such a massive blow and I seriously doubt that any other manager would have handled the injury situation at Bayern as well as Pep did over the last 3 years.

Not to mention that for all of Pep's fancy tactics, I preferred Heyncke's side by far. They played football the way I hope United could one day play, whereas I really have no desire to see Pep's 80% possession crap at OT ever.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Not to mention that for all of Pep's fancy tactics, I preferred Heyncke's side by far. They played football the way I hope United could one day play, whereas I really have no desire to see Pep's 80% possession crap at OT ever.

What's wrong with having high amounts of possession if you're creating multiple chances?

I feel like some United fans are still a bit butthurt that we were outclass by a Pep side twice. Four times if you include the Moyes era and the recent City win, which wasn't even a possession based performance anyway.

 

[NYC]

The year Bayern won the Champs League, their competition was a Dortmund team that lost the league by 25 points to Bayern.......Whose star player, Gotze announced his transfer to bayern and didn't play in the final game. In addition, bayern was outplayed by dortmund in the first half and was literally saved by Robben's individual brilliance.

A barcelona team that was injury riddled and coached by a manager that was diagnosed with cancer and almost lost to Arsenal in the first round.... That team would of got spanked by Pep's bayern team, if they were ever fully fit at the same time. I have never seen any team like pep's bayern team, where the key players were never fit during a 3 year span for Pep.

Even the season prior, a CRAP Chelsea side beat Bayern with a team of over the hill players, which they finished 6th in the league... Honestly, Pep just had bad luck when it came to player fitness and inheriting an old team that was injury riddled. The team was still so well prepared and pep got the best out of most his players. Honestly, no Pep, and bayern would never be in discussion when it comes to be top 3 in the world. For the past few years, it's also been

Barcelona, Bayern and Real madrid as tier 1 and a lot of that has to do with pep.

That being said, if bayern don't win the league this season, there is really only one person to blame, Carlo Ancelotti.

Edit: Barca won the league, the same way pep lost the league to Jose in his last season. Internal problems F up Real madrid that season and Jose eventually got sacked, even though many predicted he would get sacked a few months prior... However, due to his relationship with perez, he didn't.

 

[berbatrick]

My lasting memory of Pep's Bayern is the away win in the group stage at Man City (in his 1st season I think). It was football from another planet.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

The year Bayern won the Champs League, their competition was a Dortmund team that lost the league by 25 points to Bayern.......Whose star player, Gotze announced his transfer to bayern and didn't play in the final game. In addition, bayern was outplayed by dortmund in the first half and was literally saved by Robben's individual brilliance.

A barcelona team that was injury riddled and coached by a manager that was diagnosed with cancer and almost lost to Arsenal in the first round.... That team would of got spanked by Pep's bayern team, if they were ever fully fit at the same time. I have never seen any team like pep's bayern team, where the key players were never fit during a 3 year span for Pep.

Even the season prior, a CRAP Chelsea side beat Bayern with a team of over the hill players, which they finished 6th in the league... Honestly, Pep just had bad luck when it came to player fitness and inheriting an old team that was injury riddled. The team was still so well prepared and pep got the best out of most his players. Honestly, no Pep, and bayern would never be in discussion when it comes to be top 3 in the world. For the past few years, it's also been

Barcelona, Bayern and Real madrid as tier 1 and a lot of that has to do with pep.

That being said, if bayern don't win the league this season, there is really only one person to blame, Carlo Ancelotti.

For all the turmoil that Barca squad faced they won the league in Spain with 100 points that season and Bayern not only beat them they destroyed them. They also made easy work of Italian Champions Juventus. And the reason why they were able to be a bit complacent against Arsenal is because they were able to beat Arsenal 3-1 at Emirates in the first leg.

 

[NYC]

I would be worried about Bayern. Another game, another subpar performance.

If it wasn't for a nasty volley longball from THiago, today's game would of been a draw. Muller has been subpar for a while now, which includes the end of last season + Euros. Carlo going to have to field 2 of the 3, in Robben, Ribery or Costa if they are fit together and find a way to play Muller. The idea of playing thiago as a regista is also a dangerous one as well for Carlo, it completely takes out one of his best quality in dribbling and the midfield has zero creativity with Sanches, kimmich and Vidal.

Bayern really should of went out and bought a creative AM or SS ala James or Sanchez.

A lot of folks undermine Pep a lot, but question is.

Compare Coman now vs Sterling now. That right there is 100 percent PEP

 

[roonster09]

I would be worried about Bayern. Another game, another subpar performance.

If it wasn't for a nasty volley longball from THiago, today's game would of been a draw. Muller has been subpar for a while now, which includes the end of last season + Euros. Carlo going to have to field 2 of the 3, in Robben, Ribery or Costa if they are fit together and find a way to play Muller. The idea of playing thiago as a regista is also a dangerous one as well for Carlo, it completely takes out one of his best quality in dribbling and the midfield has zero creativity with Sanches, kimmich and Vidal.

Bayern really should of went out and bought a creative AM or SS ala James or Sanchez.

A lot of folks undermine Pep a lot, but question is.

Compare Coman now vs Sterling now. That right there is 100 percent PEP

At the same time Bayern created so many chances but didn't finish them. Your urge to praise Pep in every thread is so obvious. City fan?

 

[Hojoon]

My lasting memory of Pep's Bayern is the away win in the group stage at Man City (in his 1st season I think). It was football from another planet.

That was a great performance but Pellegrini's tactics were naive. He played two strikers who didn't do any defensive work and played Yaya in a midfield two. No surprise they got dominated.

 

[Piratesoup]

I would be worried about Bayern. Another game, another subpar performance.

True, Ancelotti's start was dreadful and I won't hear any excuses about the EC or crucial players missing pre-season. Nothing can excuse this:
Matches played - 8
Matches won - 8
Goal Difference - 27:1

Worrying stats indeed. We've never had a worse record breaking start to a season.

Compared to Pep's first 8 games:
6 Wins, 1 Draw (1:1 against mighty Freiburg), 1 Loss (2:4 against Dortmund)
Goal Difference - 17:5

 

[Balu]

Edit: Barca won the league, the same way pep lost the league to Jose in his last season. Internal problems F up Real madrid that season and Jose eventually got sacked, even though many predicted he would get sacked a few months prior... However, due to his relationship with perez, he didn't.

In both cases they played their best ever league campaign, Real in 11/12 and Barca in 12/13 finished on 100 points. You make it sound as if the other club would have easily topped that if not for internal problems, which is insane. Makes no sense at all.

 

[KirkDuyt]

True, Ancelotti's start was dreadful and I won't hear any excuses about the EC or crucial players missing pre-season. Nothing can excuse this:
Matches played - 8
Matches won - 8
Goal Difference - 27:1

Worrying stats indeed. We've never had a worse record breaking start to a season.

Compared to Pep's first 8 games:
6 Wins, 1 Draw (1:1 against mighty Freiburg), 1 Loss (2:4 against Dortmund)
Goal Difference - 17:5

Wow, how has Carlo not been sacked? Bayern will be challenging for all the prices this year too, or rather challenge for the CL since they will obviously win the league and are massive favourites for the DFB-Pokal. They need their key players fit at the crucial stages of the CL in which case they can be more than a match for all other teams. It's either them or Real / Barca that will win the CL this year imo.

 

[Mark_Barca]

True, Ancelotti's start was dreadful and I won't hear any excuses about the EC or crucial players missing pre-season. Nothing can excuse this:
Matches played - 8
Matches won - 8
Goal Difference - 27:1

Worrying stats indeed. We've never had a worse record breaking start to a season.

Compared to Pep's first 8 games:
6 Wins, 1 Draw (1:1 against mighty Freiburg), 1 Loss (2:4 against Dortmund)
Goal Difference - 17:5

Obviously Carlo hasn't had a poor start, however it's been favourable that four of the teams he's played are the current bottom 4 in the division with 1 win between them in the opening 5 games of the season. Whilst the Dortmund side weren't at full strength in the supercup.

Not sure if you actually mean to, but feels like your being harsh on Peps opening start. Played 3 of the top 6 in that run, a full Dortmund team which was much stronger than today, whilst missing Neuer. Van Buyten, Shaqiri started and he had to rely on either Mandzukic or Pizarro to play up front.

 

[Balu]

Carlo has had an excellent start and we have to wait until we'll see how well he does against the more difficult opponents, both in the CL and in the league. Anyone saying what we've seen so far from Bayern is worrying needs his head checked though, that's just plain silly.