Crazy, I'm sure every single fan of a club would love to have that sort of record after 8 games regardless of the opposition, it's flawless regardless if it was a late goal at the weekend.
FC Bayern 16/17 discussion
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Not at all, Pep's start was marvelous as well. I'm just trying to ridicule the notion that we are somehow doing really poorly and should be "worried", especially when compared to the same timeframe under Guardiola. Considering the circumstances we're doing alright. Not perfect, of course, but I'm confident that we will hit our stride at some point when all players had more time gelling with their new coach and teammates (looking at you, Sanches).
I'd rather see some scrappy, crappy games at the beginning of the season and reach boiling point in the 2nd half than the other way around like in our last 3 seasons.
I do not think that you can categorize teams just if they are top or bottom of the table right now especially as e.g. Ingolstadt, Hamburg and Schalke weren't easy to beat - whereas Hertha (and Bremen) were the easiest tasks.
Dortmund played with the team that went through the full preparation whereas half of the team Ancelotti featured was with the players that started training only a week prior to the match. And Bayern was lucky in the first half not to go behind.
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I do not think that this was harsh. It is just that everybody does so much comparisons right now at times when this is still much too early. The one side talks about Knight Carlo who has freed the players of the Chains - the other side does not see a proper system right now and misses Pep's structures.
@Piratesoup
Everybody had already forgotten the crap games we had in the treble season when Pep was coach - and right now a lot have already forgotten the crap games we had with Pep, too.
Shall I tell you something? I'm so glad he's gone. It seriously gave me back the fun of watching the team.
Huge difference pulling out results vs bottom feeders than playing good football with an injury prone squad and still dominating (sometimes, you dominate, but don't score).
Pep left Carlo with the best possession team in Europe with 4 legit wingers and Muller+Lewandowski. Problem is now, Bayern are very crap in possession and there is no creativity from the team. Muller has been terrible on the right wing and Lewandowski subpar. Sanches and Hummels have been flops so far and literally the best players for Munich this season has been Neuer and Martinez. Lahm, as a fullback is nomore. How people still rate Lahm as the best RB are definitely doing it on a name recognition. Rarely overlaps and his mindset is 100 percent midfielder now. Also, the idea that Thiago is a regista is also something I disagree with and allows Munich to be extra vulnerable come CHamps League time and takes away from Thiago's best abilities.
The team dynamic of Munich is very flawed imo now. Of course playing against bottom feeders in a subpar league and playing against the 5th rank team from the Russian super league would be easy, however, it's not the results, it's how they are playing that is worrying. Bayern is a top 3club in the World. Not a subpar club from Germany, therefore expectations will always be higher and greater for a club of their status.
Pep left Carlo with the best possession team in Europe with 4 legit wingers and Muller+Lewandowski. Problem is now, Bayern are very crap in possession and there is no creativity from the team. Muller has been terrible on the right wing and Lewandowski subpar. Sanches and Hummels have been flops so far and literally the best players for Munich this season has been Neuer and Martinez. Lahm, as a fullback is nomore. How people still rate Lahm as the best RB are definitely doing it on a name recognition. Rarely overlaps and his mindset is 100 percent midfielder now. Also, the idea that Thiago is a regista is also something I disagree with and allows Munich to be extra vulnerable come CHamps League time and takes away from Thiago's best abilities.
The team dynamic of Munich is very flawed imo now. Of course playing against bottom feeders in a subpar league and playing against the 5th rank team from the Russian super league would be easy, however, it's not the results, it's how they are playing that is worrying. Bayern is a top 3club in the World. Not a subpar club from Germany, therefore expectations will always be higher and greater for a club of their status.
It was still amazing to watch Bayern move the ball freely in the opposition half and threaten when they felt like it...City was on its way to the title.
Know what your saying, was just pointing out that Bayern have been slightly fortunate that the opening 5 games have consisted of 4 teams in extremely poor form and had very poor start to the season. Two of those teams have 1 point from 15, which was against each other, whilst Werder had lost 4 in a row until the win at the weekend.
As I said above, any club would love to have 8/8 combined with many goals and little conceded. It's a wonderful start, will be even better if you come away from Atletico with a result.
Are you wumming? Could you stop?
Btw.: Vidal will find you and end you for not naming him as one of our best players so far.
I seriously doubt you have watched even one of our games. Seriously doubt it.
I don't know where your love for Pep comes from (I suspect you are a city fan) but there are large parts of the fanbase who think he has done more harm than good to our club. Looking at the results he had, that's pretty legitimate. He build a possession machine, but always lacked a plan B. He was stubborn, unable to adapt to different circumstances and constantly fecked up in the big games. Yes, we had a few injuries, no doubt.
In his first year, I gave him that. In his second year I was dissapointed he didn't seem to accept circumstances and tried a different tactical approach due to the injuries. In his third year, he had alternatives at every single position and still wasn't able to do anything with the squad. That was when I gave up on him.
He's a good coach, but he was the wrong one for the task at hand.
How Hummels and Sanches can be flops after 5 games were especially Hummels was hardly tested is beyond me. If he fecked something up in an important game, okay, but what has he done so badly wrong so far?
That user seems to be prone to make bold statements about everything.
Somewhere else he said that Real should have gotten rid of Kroos this summer, and that he would have been 'very easy' to replace.
Somewhere else he said that Real should have gotten rid of Kroos this summer, and that he would have been 'very easy' to replace.
Given his name is a indication of his place of origin, he's probably just pretty clueless about football....aaaah soccer.
Nah, let's not go down that road.
Nah, you're just part of a loud and very vocal minority, who enjoy themselves basking in unsubstantiated claims.
Sure, we had more than half our team missing against a rampant Barca, but he should have won it for sure, anyway, amirite? They played us off the park that evening, and I have no idea what kind of wondrous tactics could have saved us.
We were a missed Müller pen away from reaching the final. No reason to blame the manager. Other teams are able to play good football, too.
Pep kept us at the top for three years, despite having to deal with ageing key players we couldn't replace by this day, and utterly stupid board decisions aka Kroos sale, which we are still suffering from to this very day.
That treble season really tricked the minds of a lot of glory hunters into believing we could, no should win the CL at our leisure. Well, they've had a serious reality check in the past 3 seasons, but fortunately there's always the solution to blame the manager.
Wonder, what you'll come up with if Carlo fails to win the thing this year...
That being said, this NYC guy should be ignored for good. Whether it's his observation of Alonso having been better for us than Kroos, or his idea replacing Lewa with Cavani, he usually comes up with outlandish claims which have little regard to reality.
I've seen a fair deal of stalemate games won by tactical changes in HT2.
You gotta be kidding... The premier league is richer, La Liga might have 2 better teams, and for the fun of it, lets say Serie A is just better...
Please define subpar for me.
I swear to god, if this turns into another "my League has a bigger dick than yours" discussion...
I swear to god, if this turns into another "my League has a bigger dick than yours" discussion...
I really don't care how big their junk is, but saying that Bundesliga is below average puts the rest of that post into context.
Good job spreading the stigma that yanks don't know 'ish about football.
Is it really that small? Maybe here, but certainly not in the world out there. Neither forums nor in the actual "country" of Bavaria, where I live.
And I didn't ask for him to win the Champions League. That will always be based around a bit of luck and can never be expected.
But he failed to make even a serious challenge for it in his 3 years and constantly failed against any serious opposition in the latter stages.
Pep's record against actual european top teams has been atrocious.
Oh, the beauty of giving a wet poo about the circumstances. Despite that, how is reaching the semis 3 times in a row, and losing to the later winner 2 out 3 times not a serious challenge? About your luck claim, obviously you're not granting it to Pep.
People with your incredibly spoilt and unfair mindset are the reason why I avoid german Bayern forums like the plaque. It's good that you are the only representative of these "experts" around here.
Yeah, it was certainly too much to ask to not get humiliated or outplayed. If we're being honest, even last year we shouldn't have survived these Juventus games.
And I don't even know why this isn't a valid oppinion in your eyes. I accept yours. It's just that I disliked his playstyle and his sytle of coaching. He was someone I could never relate to in any aspect. I'm not all that sad he's gone and being more fond of Ancelotti doesn't seem to be an outsiders opinion among the fanbase.
Btw, also I can accept it, I seriously dislike the snobbish "you can't even appreciate all the magical work Pep did"-approach of some here either. I really don't think it's true.
Kroos is such a good DM that Real Madrid has dropped 6 points in their last 3 games.. ONce Kroos moved to DM to replace Casimero.....
Cavani works harder for the team and is better physically than Lewandowski. For all the times, Cavani misses, this board seems to disregard all the sitters Lewandowski misses for Bayern.
HMMMMMM.... Let's read an article from UK's Guardian publication posted today:
Carlo Ancelotti’s team spared Beiersdorfer’s blushes with one of these typically late, lucky Bayern goals that we’ll see more of this season, as Pep Guardiola’s all-conquering, frighteningly reliable possession-machine is being replaced by a more haphazard, artisanal production process that relies on the individual quality of the workforce.
Yes, I don't watch Bayern play. It's not like in the USA we get better coverage in your country's own national sport
EDIT: question is do you guys actually watch games and see where your glorified Kroos is everytime? Thats right, jogging, leaving Madrid exposed so much in the back, just like he did for Bayern so many times, hence why so many bayern fans were glad to see him go.
2016 Alonso is no different than current Kroos. Both are slow, both are very technical players with great first touch, with brilliant range in terms of passing, exceptional longball ability and vision. However, one thing Alonso does still is try to win the ball back and help out the defense, unlike Kroos, who rarely does.
Probably the same kids that thought Pogba was some all around CM
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Do you actually watch games or just take a look at the line ups and the result?
Hey! Don't lump all Americans in with half baked opinions. FeelsBadMan
I just blame him to always play that 4-3-3 in away matches (especially as away goals are crucial) with which he crippled our offense (whereas we were always prone to do that individual mistake in the back) when in other matches and at home he knew to use other tactics with which we usually won and our offense functioned.
The only goal a striker or winger scored in the 3 years with Pep in this matches (away, final stage, 4-3-3) was Müller who scored the 2:1 against Lissabon (and there Lissabon had to open up).
Oh - after every of this matches you could tell that we had chances - and controlled the match - but when you see the same pattern in 3 years (+ in the treble season apart from the Arsenal match - and there it was after a set-piece and not from open play) you should get a new idea...
Lets just stop replying to the wum, shall we? Can't see him make it out of the Newbies any time soon anyway.
We can laugh at "Cavani > Lewandowski" one last time and that should put an end to it.
Cavani better than Lewandowski
We can laugh at "Cavani > Lewandowski" one last time and that should put an end to it.
Cavani better than Lewandowski
To be fair, I bet your league doesn't have as big a dick as John Terry.I swear to god, if this turns into another "my League has a bigger dick than yours" discussion...
Maybe Ribery...
Not only him. If it comes to being a thuggish brute and overall bastard few players can stand up to Spahic
Forgot about him! Wasn't he the one that headbutted a steward?
Agree with @NYC on Kroos though
Here's yesterday's top 5 in successful tacklings according to Whoscored:Agree with @NYC on Kroos though
Kroos - 9 tackles
Danilo - 7 tackles
Götze - 4 tackles
Varane - 3 tackles
Carvajal - 3 tackles
Kroos & Danilo combined for 53% of all successful tackles Real Madrid made. Kroos also had 2 interceptions (joined 2nd with five other players) on top of that.
You shouldn't agree with him on anything.
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Off-topic: Kroos and Modric allow Real to escape almost any pressing, it is truly amazing to watch them pass or flick or use a tiny drop of the shoulder when surrounded. I've never seen Alonso withstand that pressure.
Edit: Busquets-Modric-Kroos is IMO a more suitable midfield for Barca than one with Rakitic.
Edit: Busquets-Modric-Kroos is IMO a more suitable midfield for Barca than one with Rakitic.
It's called watching the game...In addition, Kroos has always been known to be a lazy and slow mug in Germany. At Real, he was covered well by Casimero and Modric doing all the running.
Guess what? You know Cesc usually has the most distance covered per game right when he starts? Guess that means he runs the most too for Chelsea as well...
Kroos is easliy replaceable just as how mata was easily replaced at Chelsea when he was sold to United. Kroos is basically a taller, bigger version of Mata that plays as a CM/DM, but is more of a CM/AM.
I suggest you take some money out of your account and buy some cable package to watch the games...
edit: Cesc isn't covered sufficently at chelsea. Unlike Kroos that had Modric and Casimero doing all the running, pressing/ball winning and defending... Matic has sucked since the beginning of 2015 and Cesc has both john Terry and cahill as his primary CBs... You see the huge difference.
JT-Cahill
Matic/Mikel
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Ramos-Pepe/Varane
Casimero-Modric
Cesc, if covered, is a very good player. However, problem is that he isn't covered well and Chelsea have too many holes defensively excluding Cesc. Case and point, Pogba. United isn't a good defensive Mourinho team and Pogba has been exposed more in a few games with United, than his whole career with Juventus.
Guess what? You know Cesc usually has the most distance covered per game right when he starts? Guess that means he runs the most too for Chelsea as well...
Kroos is easliy replaceable just as how mata was easily replaced at Chelsea when he was sold to United. Kroos is basically a taller, bigger version of Mata that plays as a CM/DM, but is more of a CM/AM.
I suggest you take some money out of your account and buy some cable package to watch the games...
edit: Cesc isn't covered sufficently at chelsea. Unlike Kroos that had Modric and Casimero doing all the running, pressing/ball winning and defending... Matic has sucked since the beginning of 2015 and Cesc has both john Terry and cahill as his primary CBs... You see the huge difference.
JT-Cahill
Matic/Mikel
vs
Ramos-Pepe/Varane
Casimero-Modric
Cesc, if covered, is a very good player. However, problem is that he isn't covered well and Chelsea have too many holes defensively excluding Cesc. Case and point, Pogba. United isn't a good defensive Mourinho team and Pogba has been exposed more in a few games with United, than his whole career with Juventus.
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I watched the game of course. So how do you interpret that tackling statistic?
Easy. Tuchel wants to be the German Pep. However, unlike Pep, Dortmund do not have the quality of players that pep had at Bayern. So, like always, Zidane plays some conversative/defensive bs tactic and gives Dortmund 60 percent possession, however, since these dortmund players aren't great technically, like bayern players, they lose possession easily.
Cesc would easily replaced Kroos on this Madrid team.
What? That's not true.
Lol, no way. Not even close. Have you watched Fabregas in the last two years? He hasn't put in consistent high quality performances since the first half of his first season at Chelsea. There is a reason he can't get into their team on a regular basis and the press is speculating about him being flogged off to West Ham.
If you had actually watched yesterdays game, you'd know what sets Kroos apart from Alonso. I won't even comment on your Mata/Cesc comparisons, waste of time.
If you want to know how competent people are with regards to the game of football, ask them their opinion about Toni Kroos.
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