I agree. Carlo's tactical approach highlights Philipp's speed deficiencies even more. Kimmich on RB, and a midfield 3 of Vidal, Martinez and Thiago is something I'd like to see
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I agree. Carlo's tactical approach highlights Philipp's speed deficiencies even more. Kimmich on RB, and a midfield 3 of Vidal, Martinez and Thiago is something I'd like to see
Not one day goes by where we don't have to read some cringe-worthy quotes from Hummels. Does he never shut up? He's probably at this moment giving an interview to some tree branch that happened to hang in his face on the way to the bakery.
Where i can read this?
Want to enjoy some wise words from Mr. Sleepless.Bayern hasn't been swinging lately, have they?
I doubt that there is much swinging action in Bavaria.
Nope.
When I look at the team playing, I get a sense of overall lack of direction. Players seem to be not too sure about their positions and especially their positions in relation to each other, leading to situations where several of our players swarm the ball and then on the other hand nobody is to be found in other, empty spaces. Or whenever the opponent is on the break, we defend with only our two CBs, while everybody else is further up the pitch and has to scamper back to try to be there in time to intercept the attack.
Add to that a few players not at their best - Lahm showing signs of beginning decline, Alonso being as old as ever, Müller not finding the back of the net anymore, Costa and Coman not nearly as efficient as they looked at the start of last season - and the result is invariably meh to downright bad performances.
Nevertheless, the season is still young, and so is Ancelotti's reign at Bayern. Let them be shit now if they turn up in strength in April, May, when the heat is on in the CL.
I thought Costa looked good in the last games, certainly way better than before. And for all the negatives, some players seem to do much better than last season, such as Thiago and Kimmich... and to have Robben, Ribéry and Javi back without long-term injuries (and I pray to god that Javi's and Ribéry's knocks aren't too bad) is helping the team a lot.
I agree that we don't seem have a structure right now but thankfully that's something that can be worked upon.
I agree that we don't seem have a structure right now but thankfully that's something that can be worked upon.
We're fine.
Has Carlos Ancelotti tries his beloved Christmas tree? I mean his 4-3-2-1 system?
Yes, kind of. Not as strict as in the Milan days, because we have true wingers, but they definitely spend more time in central positions than last season
With PSG, he started with this system. The team was very powerful on the counter-attack with fast players like Ménez pre-injury, Néné, Gameiro, Lavezzi... and good providers of passes like Pastore & Motta. However, that team was sometimes challenged and wasn't very dominant.
Under pressure following disappointing results, he gave up this system and opted for a 4-4-2 system for the rest of the season 12/13.
Yeah, I don't think he is a big fan of 'pure wingers'.
Would be perfect for United.Has Carlos Ancelotti tries his beloved Christmas tree? I mean his 4-3-2-1 system?
Coman out for 2 months with an LCL tear in his knee and a capsular tear in his ankle.
You get one winger back (this time it's Ribéry) therefore the next one has to get injured.
i don't get the negative vibes coming from some sets of supporters. bayern are fine, whilst in a period of managerial re-structuring. they're too great a team to fail, simple as that. whether or not ancelotti still has it in him to shine at the highest level, say, CL semis and beyond, is yet to be seen.
i still think the squad lacks a bit of depth though, quality-wise. and what on earth happened to thiago, i do not know. i always couldn't but be delighted whenever i saw the lad do his magic, but it feels like that was several years ago...
i still think the squad lacks a bit of depth though, quality-wise. and what on earth happened to thiago, i do not know. i always couldn't but be delighted whenever i saw the lad do his magic, but it feels like that was several years ago...
Hmm. Strange. A lot of people critizising Thiago on here, for my feeling he is clearly playing his best season so far.
I'd actually say that up until this point, with Vidal not fully fit/on form yet, Robben just returning, Müller still not really back to his best, Boateng a bit lukewarm as well, Thiago has been our single best player.
I agree about Thiago, it's so far his best season for us.
I just think Thiago's ceiling, compared to the hype has been lowered by a good margin.
I agree that he is playing his best football since his first major injury 2 years ago iirc, but the injuries have taken something out of him from a physical standpoint.
I agree that he is playing his best football since his first major injury 2 years ago iirc, but the injuries have taken something out of him from a physical standpoint.
Well that's his saving grace and everyone should expect him doing poor (worse than Guardiola at least) in league.
In the last 16 seasons he managed Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid and won three league titles, no manager would get a job like this one at Bayern if those were their credentials, but I think is safe to expect Bayern showing a better form when the UCL knockout phase starts, I'm 100% sure about that
Always a good move to quote oneself to boast about being right.
I'm not boasting though. I'm sorry to have been right.
We can bitch about Thiago and Alonso all we want - it may be only my opinion that scapegoating them is unjustified, but it's evident beyond individual opinion that this scapegoating becomes hypocritical if we stay mum about our darlings. Kimmich plays in that midfield too, after all.
But most of all, we need to talk about Müller. In his current state, he is simply not good enough to be a starter in big games for us and he should not play.
It must be said as bluntly.
He's not quite as bad anymore as he was in summer, when he was the sole culprit why Germany aren't European Champions. This was only down to him being abysmal, and unbenchable.
Now ultimately I don't really care that much about what the German NT wins, but he's now becoming a serious problem for us as well.
His touches are awful, almost every one of his passes and lay-offs was imprecise yesterday. These are serious technical deficiencies which are frankly unnaccepatable at our level. That he makes these technical errors is connected to his mental quickness and sharpness having evaporated.
Now Müller has more than earned the right to have a bad spell. His performances for us have been fantastic, and fantastically consistent, for 5 years.
But if this takes more than a few games, and it's more than half a year now, he has to be dropped until he's back on his feet.
Easy enough right? It would be if we weren't so laughably thin in attack. Julian Green on the bench in a top game. JULIAN GREEN. I don't know how the feck we got here. The guy wouldn't make the bench for about 10 of 18 other BuLi teams. No other striker in the squad. WTF.
We need to invest, and we need to invest properly. Our transfers have been decent, but not as great as we like to tell ourselves. Both Coman and Costa will not be good enough to replace Robben and Ribéry eventually, I'm afraid. And we've been talking about replacing them for years now.
Lahm is talking about retirement all the time. 'Next week? Next month? Next year? Who knows?' Retire or shut up, for god's sake.
Boateng is playing a poor season, he should quickly forget about Jay-Z and concentrate about clearing dangerous balls instead of just letting them run for an opponent to collect.
Our team, as great, close-knit, seasoned and positive in attitude as it is, is showing signs of saturation. They need to be challenged for their places, and not by Rafinha and Green.
Rant over.
I think he will retire after this season. There has been way too much talk from him and Rummenigge in the last couple of weeks.
It is hardly a surprise that the teams drops a bit of intensity after three years with Pep (+ treble winning season and the international tournaments). That was bound to happen. I am not concerned about some players not being at 100%; the likes of Boateng, Lahm or Neuer have a lot of mileage in their legs and it is normal to drop a bit after an intense summer.
Müller is a bit different, because his bad form already started last season, but statements like this are a bit over the top:
I don’t understand how another striker would have helped us. We play with one CF this season and Lewandowski is not the problem. Müller shouldn't play as winger in the current system, especially when he is in a slump. So if anything we'd need another winger. Neither Costa nor Coman don't have the quality to replace Ribery or Robben and they are injury prone as well. Sadly world-class wingers are difficult to find. Maybe it would be sensible to become a little bit less dependent on these kind of players.
I don't throw Kimmich under the bus, because he is 21 and already bailed us out a couple of times this season (2nd best scorer). He is playing a decent season given his role.
I also think we need to differentiate between Thiago and Alonso. Alonso is still a decent player, but his weaknesses are getting bigger and bigger. He is slow and struggles when he is getting pressed. He shouldn't be a regular starter and the team needs a plan B, if the opposition is exploiting his weaknesses. The manager really should take this things into account. Yet Alonso can offer something to the team.
Thiago is the first player, where I genuinely struggle to see that he does anything useful at all. I guess now I know how all the people felt, who consistently criticized Schweinsteiger and Kroos for "passing sideways".
For any ManUnited fan, who doesn’t frequently watch Bayern matches: Thiago is a bit like Pogba just without all the highlights. There is little left. Thiago usually does nothing despite having incredible freedom. He hardly ever scores/assists and he is also not a play-maker. He is not carrying the ball forward and he is not the central figure who distributes the ball. His defensive contribution is okay, but nothing special. He is just tagging along doing nothing most of the times. He looks tidy while doing so; I have to give him that. I’d also add, that he played quite a bit last year, but he was never a central/important player for us (despite Pep….).
He is now injury-free, he isn’t overstrained and he has all the freedom in the world on the pitch. We need him to step up, but sadly I don’t see it at all.
Müller is a bit different, because his bad form already started last season, but statements like this are a bit over the top:
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I don’t understand how another striker would have helped us. We play with one CF this season and Lewandowski is not the problem. Müller shouldn't play as winger in the current system, especially when he is in a slump. So if anything we'd need another winger. Neither Costa nor Coman don't have the quality to replace Ribery or Robben and they are injury prone as well. Sadly world-class wingers are difficult to find. Maybe it would be sensible to become a little bit less dependent on these kind of players.
I don't throw Kimmich under the bus, because he is 21 and already bailed us out a couple of times this season (2nd best scorer). He is playing a decent season given his role.
I also think we need to differentiate between Thiago and Alonso. Alonso is still a decent player, but his weaknesses are getting bigger and bigger. He is slow and struggles when he is getting pressed. He shouldn't be a regular starter and the team needs a plan B, if the opposition is exploiting his weaknesses. The manager really should take this things into account. Yet Alonso can offer something to the team.
Thiago is the first player, where I genuinely struggle to see that he does anything useful at all. I guess now I know how all the people felt, who consistently criticized Schweinsteiger and Kroos for "passing sideways".
For any ManUnited fan, who doesn’t frequently watch Bayern matches: Thiago is a bit like Pogba just without all the highlights. There is little left. Thiago usually does nothing despite having incredible freedom. He hardly ever scores/assists and he is also not a play-maker. He is not carrying the ball forward and he is not the central figure who distributes the ball. His defensive contribution is okay, but nothing special. He is just tagging along doing nothing most of the times. He looks tidy while doing so; I have to give him that. I’d also add, that he played quite a bit last year, but he was never a central/important player for us (despite Pep….).
He is now injury-free, he isn’t overstrained and he has all the freedom in the world on the pitch. We need him to step up, but sadly I don’t see it at all.
The discussion about replacing the old guard will go on for a while longer. It just shows how difficult it is to replace genuinely great players who defined an era at a club. We've bought many highly rated young players who couldn't turn their talent into the quality we got from Schweinsteiger, Ribery and Robben. Müller's drop in form this whole year makes it even more obvious. Costa's sensational form at the beginning of last season seems to have been temporary, Coman hasn't improved all that much and can easily go the same way Shaqiri did. The Götze and Thiago transfers didn't work out.
It's never a guarantee that hyped up young players excel after a move to a big club and buying elite players in their prime is pretty much impossible nowaday for every club not named Real Madrid, because the big clubs in all leagues already buy every exceptional talent that appears somewhere.
It's never a guarantee that hyped up young players excel after a move to a big club and buying elite players in their prime is pretty much impossible nowaday for every club not named Real Madrid, because the big clubs in all leagues already buy every exceptional talent that appears somewhere.
Ribery and Robben can't be replaced without spending serious money. I don't know why we aren't courting Griezmann, he would be a perfect fit and stands really out among other players his age and not yet at one of the dreadnought clubs.
Unsure about Thiago, i think he has it in him. C'mmon, a player with his skills *has* to start to deliver at some point.
Bayern should be thinking about Alexis Sanchez. Goal-scoring threat from either wing, quality replacement for Robbery and into the last 18 months of his contract.
The league won't be a cake walk unlike under Pep, but Bayern still are the favorites. If anything, the team is probably going to have a strong Ruckrunde. I'm sure that is what most München fans want.
The league won't be a cake walk unlike under Pep, but Bayern still are the favorites. If anything, the team is probably going to have a strong Ruckrunde. I'm sure that is what most München fans want.
I don't understand why Bayern are struggling.
I mean, Pep basically just picks a team stocked with world class players, tell them to pass and move, maybe make an insignificant but very hipster adjustment, and win trophies.
Why doesn't Ancelotti just do that and win the league as a matter of course?
I mean, Pep basically just picks a team stocked with world class players, tell them to pass and move, maybe make an insignificant but very hipster adjustment, and win trophies.
Why doesn't Ancelotti just do that and win the league as a matter of course?
Which is why you have to persist with the uber talented ones. Like Coman, Martial is having a poor season for us. But great talents deserve time. Ribery certainly wasn't how you remember him when he was 20/21.
I haven't watched that much of Bayern but a lot of this is eirther cyclical or manager -caused, or a bit of both. People assume Pep was doing nothing when he obviously was and its up to Ancelotti to match that. And it's also highly likely that Bayern are facing the strains of constantly winning. Hence the slightly jaded start to the season. They'll still win the league IMO.
Griezmann is not a winger. He is a versatile SS like Müller. Both in the same team makes sadly little sense. Depending on what we look for Koke or Saul could be very interesting so.
I'm not talking about exact position replacement here. When Rib arrived, he didn't replace anyone 1:1, neither did Robben. They were (still are to some extent) players who made the difference on the field. Griezmann has that quality.
I totally agree that we shouldn't just try to replace top-players like for like. Still any new player should have a perspective in the system that the manager wants to use. Griezmann and Müller operate in the same area and in the same role/position and I don’t know any system that can accommodate two of these players at the same time. Buying someone like Griezmann for crazy money just to shift him out wide would be pretty stupid.
4-3-3 has always been a shite formation for us, but Ancelotti's version really takes the cake. Why won't he stop using this useless formation?
Doesn't feel like watching Bayern at all.. seems like no team spirit, playing like a bunch of individuals.
I'm close to screaming in anger whenever I see a long ball to Lewandowski with no other player around him in a radius of about 25meters. It's like our midfielders are forbidden to go anywhere near the opponents box.
Hope they win feck all this season, i enjoy their problems
What did they do to you?
Time to go full kneejerk me thinks
I'm sure Ancelotti will figure it out.
What did they do to you?
Cant stand them, maybe it is the exposure to Germans and German media, but they are such an arrogant and precious bunch.
Another failure by Guardiola
If we don't beat Leverkusen this weekend, the criticism will get really loud.
Should be a fun season.
Should be a fun season.
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