But you see my point though? That it wasn't a too outlandish statement? Apart from the fact we have a different definition/use of the word tier.
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But you see my point though? That it wasn't a too outlandish statement? Apart from the fact we have a different definition/use of the word tier.
I'd love to have a fantasy draft where a rare few referees are appointed. Then we could really try to get working teams and be awarded for it instead of the opposite.
I do a bit but I think its unfair on Baggio/Puskas/Romario/Fontaine - all four were IMO better than the others.
Outside World Cups Kalle was the better player, no doubt in my mind whatsoever. At the World Cup Baggio performed marginally better. As said, not just in influence (similar) but on how much it was all squarely and solely on his shoulders. I rate that in his 94 performance, absolutely.
Overall I think it all winds up with them being in the same tier. Let me put it this way, if I had to start one with no knowledge of the rest of the team I would start Baggio. But if I were playing the final and my striker got injured I would sooner bring on Rummenigge than Baggio, even on WC form. Does it sound like fine lines and splitting hairs? Yes, it is, that's the sign of them being in the same tier.
Puskas is clearly in the legendary class for me. I don't think that it is as easy as you make it out to be though. Fontaine for example was not even the best player in his team and Kopa was the true star of that attack.
Kocsis has played that role equally well hasn't he? Then we have Leonidas who also scored for fun carrying Brazil on his shoulders and being clearly the best player of the tournament.
Schillaci/Rossi are great as well etc etc.
For me ranking a player from 94 against a player from 38 is an impossible task pretty much. I don't have the same distinction as you clearly do as you can say Baggio was better than Leonidas. Or Baggio was better than Kocsis etc.
I feel a lot more ambiguity to that task.
Too clique mate, and ultimately the point is this is a discussion board to exchange views and maybe learn something from each other.
Whenever we have resorted to someone as "the expert view" to settle a game their arguments for and against were as good and as flawed as anyone else's. They were ultimately based on personal preference which is, well, personal.
I don't agree with that at all man, really surprised you think it is that clear cut. I would have Baggio ahead personally.
There aren't any more people like you/Brwned on the forum?
Actually, I never read what this tier business was about to begin with, who's supposedly in the top one?
I get a feeling you've been discussing "strikers" and you really can't have Fontaine and Baggio as a like for like comparison, same goes for Puskas...
I would guess Pele, Cruyff, Muller, Eusebio, Ronaldo
Might have missed one..
And yeah I agree they are all different.
How much of Rummenigge have you watched outside the World Cups? That may explain it.
I much preferred it when I was Mourinho and not that old hag.
Poor woman how humiliating. 
Not a lot at all, a few European games against Liverpool. Some of the final against Villa.
Speaking of, @Polaroid , I assume we are doing the usual whereby semifinalist votes don't count in any games? That is, semifinalists can't influence the outcome of who they play against. With so few votes floating around you would be tempted to overlook it, but with the aggro going into the semi you wouldn't want a game settled by those votes!
Yes, as usual, managers should not vote in games that directly decide their next opponent
Yes sir will send it tonight. Anto by the way if Balu wants to delay the game he has my acceptance.
I would have Kalle ahead of Baggio as well (overall career obviously). Kalle was phenomenal, nothing he couldn't do at his pomp. Pace, power, strength, top notch off the ball movement and the ability to constantly take on players, could play anywhere across the line with ease, technically brilliant, deadly finisher and the all important winner's mentality to go with this. One who'd never give up. I've seen some people say he's the greatest German player post Kaiser - wouldn't really disagree.
Possibly @Balu can give us more insight on his career.
Possibly @Balu can give us more insight on his career.
Thanks for the offer, but shouldn't be a problem. I finish my write-up during my lunch break, which should see me send it in time to Anto to start off the game.
You put it very well, not much to add here
.Re.: the greatest German player post Kaiser
I still give that to Matthäus, as much as I hate him and like Rummenigge, but it's certainly close. Schuster could have been in that tier as well, imo, if he wasn't an even bigger idiot than all the other cnuts we had in the 80's
. Never playing at a worldcup certainly hurt Schuster a lot in that context, but he was our best player in the Euro win in '80 despite Rummenigge getting so much praise today for that tournament. We might see someone challanging that best German player post Kaiser title in the next 5-10 years though, the generation now is so incredibly talented.Thanks for the offer, but shouldn't be a problem. I finish my write-up during my lunch break, which should see me send it in time to Anto to start off the game.
You put it very well, not much to add here
Re.: the greatest German player post Kaiser
I still give that to Matthäus, as much as I hate him and like Rummenigge, but it's certainly close. Schuster could have been in that tier as well, imo, if he wasn't an even bigger idiot than all the other cnuts we had in the 80's
Indeed, this generation has immense potential. If someone like a Gotze can reach the heights people expect him to he can easily be a good contender for that title. I think we have discussed this before but the only thing I'd like to see a bit more fire and hunger from the current German players. Not saying you can't be a great player otherwise but I personally love players who give that extra effort no matter what. With the talent in this lot, if that part is added they would see immense heights.
I was just watching some clips of Kalle and came across this. The guy could literally piss on defenders.
That's the problem with Löw as the manager. Instead of mixing the individual brilliance of that generation with the hunger and fire of someone like Müller, Götze or Reus, we saw at the Euro semifinal Podolski, Kroos and Özil start behind Gomez. Complete nightmare, I wanted to cry the minute I saw the line-up. Last season's CL campaign should have been a turning point in the mentality of the nationalteam and it should be built around the German core of Dortmund and Bayern, yet we build around Özil, because he's so elegant and wonderful to watch.
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Is this the common consensus of the people/media by the way?
Has there ever been a common consensus of the people/media about football line-ups for nationalteams in any country in the world ?
I'd say that opinion is already established in online football boards by a majority and started to grow in the media as well.
By the way, it doesn't necessarily mean I want Özil out of the team. But I want the team to be build around the attributes that made Bayern and Dortmund successful, and then Özil should adapt, if he can't, he needs to be benched. Now we're placing Özil in the middle and everyone needs to complement him. He's not worth that.
?I'd say that opinion is already established in online football boards by a majority and started to grow in the media as well.
By the way, it doesn't necessarily mean I want Özil out of the team. But I want the team to be build around the attributes that made Bayern and Dortmund successful, and then Özil should adapt, if he can't, he needs to be benched. Now we're placing Özil in the middle and everyone needs to complement him. He's not worth that.
Has there ever been a common consensus of the people/media about football line-ups for nationalteams in any country in the world
I'd say that opinion is already established in online football boards by a majority and started to grow in the media as well.
By the way, it doesn't necessarily mean I want Özil out of the team. But I want the team to be build around the attributes that made Bayern and Dortmund successful, and then Özil should adapt, if he can't, he needs to be benched. Now we're placing Özil in the middle and everyone needs to complement him. He's not worth that.
You know you have a good national team when Özil isn't worth it! Can't disagree though I think Bayern and Dortmund has some German work-rate and fire that defines them and pushes them to higher levels. The German national team doesn't really have that and it is possible it is because they build the team around the least German styled player.
I'm ready to post the gamethread whenever Balu sends the stuff after his lunch break.
I am here as well.
@antohan
You should have my stuff, I'm off for a few minutes, but I'm soon back. Feel free to start, I'll catch up soon enough
Good luck, Annah.
You should have my stuff, I'm off for a few minutes, but I'm soon back. Feel free to start, I'll catch up soon enough
Good luck, Annah.
Quick question. "Display viotes publicly" should be off, right? That's the one were they get displayed without clicking, but you can always click through anyway, right?
No they should be on - it means you can click and see who voted for who
OK, cheers, I would swear there is an option whereby you don't click and are always on display.
Done
Great job mate. Surprised to see Balu revert from the high-line!
Thanks Anto. Mine is way shorter than I thought, the smaller frame in the PMs sucks, completely confuses me about the length every time.
Keep getting confused. As soon as I see a wall of text the first thing I do is scroll down to see how much longer than one screen it is. With yours I go "ah, ok" and go back to reading, with Annah's it's more like "ah... oh god... mmm, ok". Deceptive, as yours actually takes far longer, particularly with all the geometrical patterns.
But it has colours and pictures and a few arrows and dotted lines
. Visualisation is key here.Aye, I'm a very visual person. I particularly like the first one with Haan dropping, Nilton bombing forward and Kempes moving into a striekr role. Seamless and it gets you into the mood to get the other two straight away.
So you got the dotted lines triangles. I was worried that's a bit too much, but van Gaal talked so much about those stupid triangles when he managed Bayern, that I will never get them out of my head again .
.Okay, this was great, so I'd probably play again. Count me in.
If Anto doesn't play, I want him as my assistant, so that he stops voting against me, btw.