Sunny Jim is just on the wind up, best ignored. He likes to write short but controversial.
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Sunny Jim is just on the wind up, best ignored. He likes to write short but controversial.
I disagree. The English game suits him better any drop in form has had to do in part with a failure to adapt to the Spanish game and the way Barca play, we have seen this happen to many great players there. Personally i'm not worried and doubt at 26 that he has declined as a player from what he was at 24. He is asked to do a different job at Barca, in a different system and has different responsibilities. He has still managed to score and assist at a good rate. He would be worth the money for me.
There are no certainties you can bring in a player who is hot 'right now' and he fails. Systems, teams, leagues etc. make a difference Fabregas two years ago was the best midfielder in the Premiership he has struggled at Barca, who play at a higher level than the majority of other teams, especially in midfield. Looking at the market 40 million makes sense. The fact they payed less two years ago may annoy you but this is the cost of business. Bale is going for more than Ronaldo it seems. Falco and Cavani for 50 million plus. The market is inflated.
I wouldn't be too sure.
"My future - I don't know. At this moment I'm a player of Madrid, the future, I really don't know.
"Let's see what's going to happen - but for the moment, I'm good where I am."
Why anyone would think United are wasting time pursuing Fabregas does not register with my mind. I'm sure United will have been given encouragement behind the scenes. Fabregas has kept quiet for so long, and the new manager was not entirely confident he would stay a few days back. His team mates all praising him suddenly are also big indicators of something happening. All that is happening at the moment is clubs playing cat and mouse. Barcelona desperate to keep him and United similarly desperate to buy.
I don't buy this boyhood club scenario. In the end the players wish for more money will prevail. I really think this has legs, and if it fails we tried. The reality is in business deals do breakdown for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure why some are blaming Moyes for transfers not happening this summer. I'm sure it would be in his personal interest to have the best players at the club, and will be pushing the club to recruit.
I don't buy this boyhood club scenario. In the end the players wish for more money will prevail. I really think this has legs, and if it fails we tried. The reality is in business deals do breakdown for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure why some are blaming Moyes for transfers not happening this summer. I'm sure it would be in his personal interest to have the best players at the club, and will be pushing the club to recruit.
had there been anything from Fabregas camp he would have said or done something to make the deal happen. end off.
It's difficult to know where the blame lies, I would still prefer if we had recruited one or two players.
But whoever you blame, it's been a shitty start for the new manager IMO, especially when you see how easily our rivals have snapped up players so far.
But whoever you blame, it's been a shitty start for the new manager IMO, especially when you see how easily our rivals have snapped up players so far.
for all we know (reported by press) we made two bids which Barca rejected and their high profile person said United understood their position. Those who believe there is any life in this bid tend to ignore what has been said in public and choose to believe what they think is happening. seems legit.
SAF mentioned towards the end of the season that we had already begun work on a few targets. I can only assume all that work had to be redone once we had a new manager come in with his own ideas. It's perfectly understandable things haven't been tied up quickly this window.
Sultan mate, what are you basing your belief on?
Why does Cesc's silence means something is brewing there?
For me it's all hoping and guess-work.
Facts are: we made bids, they rejected them and said they wouldn't sell. For a number of reasons i see it very unlikely that this deal will be concluded.
Chelsea snapped up 2 good players and a reserve keeper and then went for their marque signing.
At the end of the day, someone's going to come out of this looking foolish. United or Barcelona. United because they will have spent a lot of time on something that ultimately failed, or Barcelona because they've endlessly said he's staying and they also have a lack of depth in the midfield.
It's not embarrassing though. What's embarrassing is that people think they have a clue what's going on behind the scenes at top football clubs.
It's not embarrassing though. What's embarrassing is that people think they have a clue what's going on behind the scenes at top football clubs.
the worst insult i have ever been treated with
no, seriously things just don't add up here. I'd love us to get him but can't see it happen.
We don't really need players of the sort that Chelsea have bought so far. Our squad is strong enough. We need to improve a position in our first XI, which is why we've only gone for a marquee signing so far. In that, Chelsea have been no more successful than us. In fact, their efforts so far have looked even less convincing than ours for Fabregas.
Schurrle deal has been in the pipeline for the last one year or so, they didn't snap it easily. Reserve keeper and Van Ginkel, I don't think these type of deals take much time.
Regarding their marquee signings, Us and Chelsea are in the same boat. Both clubs have had their first two bids rejected by the other club and in both cases, the selling club have adamantly refused to sell the player. How's it different?
For me it depends on the final outcome. If we end up doing good business this summer it wouldn't bother me knowing we wasted time losing out on fabregas. If we end up having a bad summer transfer wise then it will be just that. I wouldn't be in a position to know whether this saga was correlated to others not materializing.
Indeed.
And let's face it, if this proves to be a long drawn out affair, but we get our man, it will be the biggest coup of the transfer window.
Given the choice, I would rather have this fella than Ronaldo, as he is more what we need right now. Given his potential importance to us, then I would rather we fight messy to get him, than not fight at all.
Its neither embarrassing nor foolish! Get a grip.
i agree with this post.
I would have said we needed 2 midfielders.
Biggest clubs in the world doesn't go and make transfer bids just on hope and guess work.
I still have high hopes for Cleverly but if we identified and bought two top class cms then happy days.
Certainly not this one and that hasn't suddenly changed because our Scottish manager has got younger.
We have a month left in the window. Fabregas may be our most high profile pursuit but I doubt he is the only player we are actively trying to buy.
Don't be so rational Sultan.
From the way Fab has not said anything despite all of the speculation and Barca have dismissed all rumours hints that the encouragement came from his end rather than Barcelona's, so I'm glad it looks like we haven't wasted 3 weeks+ on a hopeful punt. It would be pretty mental / ridiculously unlikely for Cesc to submit a transfer request / request to leave, which is what it looks like will have to happen. A £35 million improved bid will again be instantly rejected unless he makes it clear he wants to move.
However the club should face criticism for not acting on this at the start of the window when Thiago was still at the club.
However the club should face criticism for not acting on this at the start of the window when Thiago was still at the club.
I don't see why a transfer request is needed. It wouldn't force Barca's hand any further if they don't want to sell, you can easily reject a transfer request.
If we bid enough for a bid to be accepted, they could sell to us and easily cite the fact that Cesc had made demands for playing in the big games to prove his value and they couldn't give him those guarantees and he wanted out.
No different to the Rooney scenario really, none of us will blame the club for that shitbag leaving, I'm sure Barca fans will aim their vitriol at Cesc rather than the club for selling him.
Why would United look foolish? All they have tried to do is sign a player. I dont get why people keep saying this. They tried to sign a player, not dance around naked.
Us making bids tests their resolve and how much Fabregas really wants to stay. I have no problem with it as long as we have a contingency plan, which I expect we do.
Agreed.
I think the club are determined to make Moyes first signing, a marquee player in the new Moyes era, as a statement of intent. I suspect the other signings will quickly follow if United landed Fabregas.
We could easily have been played by the Fabregas camp in order to help him strengthen his position at Barca. In which case, this would be a waste of time.
I didn't read that as them saying he has to put in a transfer request, I read it that he has voiced his concerns and even after their chat didn't go away making the right noises. As a result, if a bid is accepted, it's only been accepted because Fabregas pushed for it - that's what they want the fans to know.
It was a total change of tune from "Fabregas is staying he is happy here" to "We want him to stay but it's down to him now"
If we did end up signing Fabregas I'm going to laugh my arse off at all the smug tits that come in here claiming how they know it was never on and we're foolish to say otherwise.
I have no idea where we're at with this transfer or if it was ever going to happen but it's not dead in the water until United or Cesc come out to say it is. Hopefully Moyes will clear things up today.
I have no idea where we're at with this transfer or if it was ever going to happen but it's not dead in the water until United or Cesc come out to say it is. Hopefully Moyes will clear things up today.
I think it's bizarre that people think we are bidding low without some sort of idea at what could be expected. If it was just a normal situation, we'd understand that they'd be looking for well in excess of £50m, so it's clearly not a normal situation and there is clearly something encouraging us to creep up. There's a month to go, that's half the window left and if we think they will want to sell for whatever reason, we can use that time to let them sweat it.
The thing is as well, Barca have openly backed Cesc and have now basically forced his hand to make a decision. His teammates have all come out and said he wants to stay, so why is he still staying silent which in effect will be breaking his relationship with the fans.
There's only 2 possible scenarios really, (maybe there's more that I haven't thought of). But he either wants to move to us and we know it, or he's using us to strengthen his own position at Barca to get more playing time which really is a very risky strategy.
so you have to think there's something really concrete in all this, and if we don't end up signing him then it's not the end of the world, people in here are acting like we've never missed out on big targets.
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