I think some of you lot think transfers happen at the click of an icon like they do in video games.
Fabregas
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Yep! We definitely need midfielders!
Cleverley failed to make the grade last year. He might/might not be better in the coming season.
Anderson is injury-prone and lacks impact.
Jones is a defender.
Giggs, with all due respect, is a bit part player now (sadly).
Ferguson had to weave magic to make it work, at least in the Premiership, last season. But Ferguson was one of a one-of-a-kind.
Sorry if it came across that way. We are probably negotiating with 10-15 (if not more) football agents at any given time.
We will know from these agents which players are available and which arent at the moment and from this there are probably several back up options that we could turn to if The Fabregas transfer is dead.
If however Barcelona's stance has genuinely not changed and they aren't playing games over a fee like many of us have suspected then it has IMO been a complete waste of time. But purely in the sense that we could have acquired our secondary targets weeks ago and had them semi integrated into the squad already.
I don't think anybody seriously believes that Woody is sitting at his desk thinking "oh shit, the Fabregas deal is as dead as disco, who do we turn to now?"
Why is it a waste of time?
Thats the question I keep asking but all i ever hear is "because he didnt sign"
Well thats complete nonsense. Do you think Real Madrid sit back and think "well, we'd better not try and sign player X because the club said that they wont sell?" Do they feck. They keep going. Even if they dont get the player, they plant the notion in his head. Thats not a waste of time.
And besides, if we all thought "feck, we'll never sign him", then we will never end up signing the high-end players. Clubs generally dont put high-end players on the open transfer market
Would the moaners rather we didnt try to sign him at all? Because thats the way it seems
and as for this idea that clubs work on 1 transfer at a time...jaysus would you listen to yourselves
Exactly.
aside from those who are openly saying "Moyes doesnt know what he's doing" or "this is a disaster by moyes" etc
From an Irwin article yesterday:
[QUOTEBut Irwin insists Cesc Fabregas remains manager David Moyes' main target and will "move heaven and earth" to sign the Barcelona midfielder ahead of the new season.
"United want to get Cesc Fabregas before the transfer window closes and preferably before the season starts on Saturday week," he wrote. "Also, they want to keep rather than sell Wayne Rooney.
"I'd say those two deals are the most important bits of business in the in-tray of the bosses at United. If those two players are at the club next season, then it would be a fine summer."
Read more athttp://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/227447.html#ZTdh8U1OosSqsAms.99][/QUOTE]
[QUOTEBut Irwin insists Cesc Fabregas remains manager David Moyes' main target and will "move heaven and earth" to sign the Barcelona midfielder ahead of the new season.
"United want to get Cesc Fabregas before the transfer window closes and preferably before the season starts on Saturday week," he wrote. "Also, they want to keep rather than sell Wayne Rooney.
"I'd say those two deals are the most important bits of business in the in-tray of the bosses at United. If those two players are at the club next season, then it would be a fine summer."
Read more athttp://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/227447.html#ZTdh8U1OosSqsAms.99][/QUOTE]
The difference is we handle transfer negotiations professionally whereas clubs like Barcelona and especially Madrid tend to handle transfer in an under-handed way. They employ dirty and illegal methods to get their way. They talk to agents and players without the clubs permission; they use friendly media to destablise the player and they offer low prices because they know that they have already agreed a contract with the agent/player.
United methods will always result in a higher buying price.
thats the way Gill conducted transfers, doesnt mean thats that way the new guy will conduct transfers
He probably will. Each organisation has a personality, codes of conduct that they adhere too. An honest organisation is a rarity, most have some practices that are not exactly professional. I once did work for an international music publisher that was crooked as the day is long.
We can't operate in a Madrid like way during this transfer. Lots of those players Madrid chase have dreamed of playing for Madrid one day. Where as Fabregas is playing for his dream club after years of finally wanting to go back. This season is possibly his best chance to play CM. As I can see Barca resting Xavi more.
So I can understand why people are saying it is a waste of time. But then there must be something in it that we have bid twice. Encouragement from agent or player.
I also think Moyes told everyone about this transfer to show the fans of what type of player he wants. I don't expect every transfer to be conducted like this.
So I can understand why people are saying it is a waste of time. But then there must be something in it that we have bid twice. Encouragement from agent or player.
I also think Moyes told everyone about this transfer to show the fans of what type of player he wants. I don't expect every transfer to be conducted like this.
[quote="Bojan11, post: 13950051, member: 51833
So I can understand why people are saying it is a waste of time. [/quote]
That really doesnt explain why its a waste of time. Simply because the player might not fancy it?
United wouldnt keep at it if they got the feedback that the player doesnt fancy it
So I can understand why people are saying it is a waste of time. [/quote]
That really doesnt explain why its a waste of time. Simply because the player might not fancy it?
United wouldnt keep at it if they got the feedback that the player doesnt fancy it
Hopefully today Moyes fires off a warcry at Barca and tell them to feck off. Time to 100 percent focus on other useful midfielders.
Quoted for truth.
Carrick is a top midfielder.
Giggs has lots of experience.
Jones is ambitious and held Ronaldo.
Anderson is a talented Brazilian once considered one of the biggest talents in the world.
Cleverley is a full international.
Everything's good.
Everything isnt good. Our midfield is an obvious weak link in an otherwise strong squad.
ambitious
What is this shit?
He's taking the piss.
Damn, I'm not someone who should fall for that.
What an embarassing saga this is.
It's like the word of the summer on the caf. So many embarrassed united fans
Did embarrassing become a synonym for "disappointing" at some point?
I'm embarrassed about the embarrassed people. It's embarrassing.
Embarrass.
Embarrass.
I personally think this meltdown is hilarious. I don't see why people believe this is dead until either Cesc or Moyes confirm it (which into truth, will probably happen eventually).
We have agreed to give up our pursuit? Seriously, when would a situation like that actually happen. Can you imagine Woodward being told "Seriously, he's not for sale" and his reply being "Oh right, okay, we will leave it."
I wouldn't 've surprised if we're past he point of a third bid needing to be made. I'd say there's discussion over a fee now and it'll be a case of whether we would be happy to pay it and if Cesc will actually go for the move.
The comments from Baca are just trying to save face, they won't say they want rid of him whatever happens because they want to milk us for every penny.
We have agreed to give up our pursuit? Seriously, when would a situation like that actually happen. Can you imagine Woodward being told "Seriously, he's not for sale" and his reply being "Oh right, okay, we will leave it."
I wouldn't 've surprised if we're past he point of a third bid needing to be made. I'd say there's discussion over a fee now and it'll be a case of whether we would be happy to pay it and if Cesc will actually go for the move.
The comments from Baca are just trying to save face, they won't say they want rid of him whatever happens because they want to milk us for every penny.
How is it embarrassing?
We tried to sign one of the best midfielders in the world from a big club that decided not to sell. I would prefer if we were trying for players of this calibre instead of worrying about rejection if the deal doesnt come off.
It's not exactly embarrassing...mind blogging is probably a better term. Why would we bid for a player who-by all signs- seems to be unattainable . I'm not buying these private encouragement theories.
I guess 'embarrassing' is better than 'confused and angry'!
Homophobe!!
Hopefully this isn't over - get a transfer request in Cesc!
Oh, I forgot the crucial word - Embarrassing.
Oh, I forgot the crucial word - Embarrassing.
So let me get this straight.
You dont 'buy' that the club had encouragement to bid , but you do 'buy' that the entire hierarchy of the club, which includes Fergie, havent a fecking clue what they are doing and are just throwing bids around willy nilly.
Aye. It's embarrassing.
Not all signs and certainly not the signs that count most to us. Fabregas has maintained his silence which is not going down very well with the Barca fans so he would not be doing it without some reason. Utd have not said that they have given up so I see no reason to believe any of Barcas press releases, these should only be seen as positioning in a possible transfer. This is still definitely in the melting pot.
Wenger said right at the beginning that Fabgregas would stay another year. That indeed was Cesc's position when he had his, "I am staying" rant.
Things have changed.
But my guess is that Wenger has heard no more on the subject and is just reiterating what he heard pre-transfer window.
Wenger should be totally ignored and dismissed as a large prune on a long body and Barca's rhetoric needs to be ignored. Keep an eye on who they are tracking themselves, that might prove interesting.
As I have said repeatedly, until Moyes or Cesc says otherwise, this is very much on and we need some positivity in this place. We don't need cheap shots and repetitive spiel from members who think that being negative is funny or those that think that being negative will achieve a response to their post. Attention seeking whores!
Stupid arse posts about the club being doomed or no longer in safe hands are unwelcome and my advice to anybody that wants to knee jerk to some tweet or supposed quote, is to feck off and do it somewhere else.
Logical and reasoned opinions help all of us to see the wheat from the chaff. It's going to be a great week.
Funny, Senna had this to say about it.
“I came very, very close to signing,” he said. “Sir Alex Ferguson talked to my agent and everything was done – then they suddenly signed Carrick.”
As long as Barcelona are still actively pursuing Thiago Silva/David Luiz/Hummels for that reported €45 million fee, then Fabregas to us is still a real possibility. There's no way they can afford Neymar plus one of the above - on top of Messi's astronomical salary - without raising funds first.
Its off again, to the Ronaldo thread!
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