Agreed - it's all twaddle.
Regardless of any transfers, the club (not just Moyes) should be judged on results.
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Agreed - it's all twaddle.
Regardless of any transfers, the club (not just Moyes) should be judged on results.
It's a fecking stupid comment, Vato. And has become a Caf theme. Unless time is limited, and only so many hours of transfer negotiations are allowed per window then no time can be wasted trying to sign someone. The assertion is that we've wasted time on Fabregas that could've been used to sign someone else, as if transfers happen one at a time and others can't be worked on while time is wasted on Fabregas.Jesus Christ, everyone jumping on Garethw and others just because they make the comment that this has been a waste of time?
Frustrated much? I honestly can't see much wrong in a statement like that.
It's retarded.
I don't understand what people are all upset about.
We will slam in another bid in excess of 40m Euros and Cesc will ask to leave. It's going to be a great week.
Don't listen to the Barca rhetoric, not a word of it.
If you build it, he will come.
We will slam in another bid in excess of 40m Euros and Cesc will ask to leave. It's going to be a great week.
Don't listen to the Barca rhetoric, not a word of it.
If you build it, he will come.
Woodward sits by a phone, the solitary item on a business desk, Moyes paces nearby, nervously eyeing a clock on a wall in front of him.
"Can we call them again?"
"No Dave, best give them another day."
"Maybe we can stretch the next bid another mil by then..."
Brilliant.
I know what you mean but it isn't a wrong statement in fairness, the whole thing has been a waste of time because he didn't sign a deal in the end. It's as simple as that really. It doesn't matter how many deals your club is working on. So therefore, they aren't wrong for saying that IMO.
People take everything too personal when it comes to comments that are made regarding a club's affairs. If they'd have said that the people dealing in transfers within your club are incompetent for wasting their time on this, that would be a whole different matter.
It isn't ended until Moyes says so. He is just waiting for further encouragement from Cesc and his Gang.
Not really. It's like saying, every team that compete in Champions League but not winning it, is wasting their game time. Whether the chance is slim or big, team can't win if they don't play/try.
With Fab, we put our effort in; but if fail, at least we can say we've tried but still fall short. We've put a decent offer (that break our transfer record), and we are targeting a (fairly) gettable player. Barca's manager was even quoted saying that it's up to Fabregas, whether the deal can get through. At least we know that the deal is actually possible, and not just United's PR stunt.
It isn't ended until Moyes says so. He is just waiting for further encouragement from Cesc and his Gang.
That's the spirit.Fact so far: Cesc has not said a word, so one can only assume he is giving backdoor encouragement to United's higher-ups.
The whole saga could so easily been shut-down easily with Cesc making a press conference stating that he has no intentions of leaving. He hasn't. Look at our own Wayne and see the similarities.
So Barca is in a difficult position -- they are playing good cop/bad cop to see the best price they can extract out of United before making any decision. The statement of 'United has given up' on Cesc is to serve two messages:
1) To dim Cecs' hopes of United making another bid so that he gives his press conference pledging his undying love to Barca and
2) To get United to show their seriousness through the 3rd bid.
This way Barca can have many positive ways of positioning themselves with their home fans.
The whole saga could so easily been shut-down easily with Cesc making a press conference stating that he has no intentions of leaving. He hasn't. Look at our own Wayne and see the similarities.
So Barca is in a difficult position -- they are playing good cop/bad cop to see the best price they can extract out of United before making any decision. The statement of 'United has given up' on Cesc is to serve two messages:
1) To dim Cecs' hopes of United making another bid so that he gives his press conference pledging his undying love to Barca and
2) To get United to show their seriousness through the 3rd bid.
This way Barca can have many positive ways of positioning themselves with their home fans.
Heh. Backdoor encouragement.
intentional choice of words in case Cesc plays us out!
The only worrying thing so far is that now we're supposedly making another bid despite Zubes' revelation, we've not yet made an offer which broke our transfer record?
Of course we don't know the actual truths, but if that bit is true I have to side with the folks who say we've been fecking around a bit. This far into the saga, surely we've gone over £31m? Surely?
I'd finish with a Leon Osman joke, but I won't.
Of course we don't know the actual truths, but if that bit is true I have to side with the folks who say we've been fecking around a bit. This far into the saga, surely we've gone over £31m? Surely?
I'd finish with a Leon Osman joke, but I won't.
I don't agree - I think they have behaved amateurish. If you go out punching your chest "we will sign big players" - then you look rather silly if you can't sign anything. And Moyes comments about being weak in midfield sends a rather poor message when you admit that we aren't good enough there, while at the same time not being able to do anything about it.
Good start David, chasing this guy who was never going to leave anyway. What a waste of resources.
Andoni isn't being truthful
How do you know that?
Not sure if you're being serious, but given the general tone of this thread recently then I'm worried that you are.
People need to chill out and have a bit of perspective, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the Fabregas deal. I would bet that seeing as Barcelona seem so keen to constantly tell the press that the player is going to stay, without actually having it confirmed by the player himself, that a deal is more possible than many of us would believe. Until Fabregas, or Moyes, says this isn't happening, there's every chance.
The club aren't stupid - we haven't spent several weeks of the summer pursuing a goal which there wasn't any possibility of achieving.
I agree, the club and Moyes are being hammered for trying to bring in class players, how many said that RVP would not happen last season. I dont think Fabregas or Ronaldo will be playing for United next season, but I dont see a problem with trying for these or other players even if there is only a slight chance of buying then.
People are getting too overly defensive of Moyes and the new regime. It is okay to be pissed off at the lack of activity but for that not to translate into "Moyes Out!" I think the impatience is a fairly normal fan reaction in light of our apparent lack of success when it comes to resolving the CM issue.
The fact is, very few people have had a pop at Moyes and many have actually said that the CM problems are actually Fergie's fault.
The fact is, very few people have had a pop at Moyes and many have actually said that the CM problems are actually Fergie's fault.
Of course they are Fergie's fault, I said last year and the year before that the longer we wait the harder it'll be to actually sign a midfielder because the good ones will have been signed by someone else and the rest would be priced too highly as clubs would acknowledge our desperation for a good CM. Despite that we've gone through 3 or 4 Summer transfer windows without even coming close to getting a midfielder, it almost looked like Fergie was trolling the last couple of years.
Exactly. And it's perfectly normal to harbour some annoyance as a result. So if I (or any other poster) have been a little fraught during the course of this thread, it doesn't mean we're not supporting Moyes, or that we're being spoilt imbeciles, we're simply doing what football fans have been doing throughout the Internet age - moaning on a forum.
BBC Football are leading this morning with the news that United are still very much interested in Fabregas, despite Zubizarretta's suggestion to the contrary. Andy Mitten came out and suggested this as soon as Zubi's quotes made it into the press yesterday and Howard Nurse says he has since had this corroborated by one of his sources (!), hence the BBC leading with the news that United are considering a 40m Euros bid. So, all said and done, if Mitten and Nurse/the BBC are to be believed, we're back to exactly the same place as where we were last week, namely that we've had two bids rejected and are considering a third.
My question is, what reason for Zubi's quotes (if we are to believe that they're untrue)?
My question is, what reason for Zubi's quotes (if we are to believe that they're untrue)?
Ultimate, everyone has their price.
Question is whether we are willing to pay over the odds considering the stupid price Madrid is willing to pay for Bale. I am sure Barca is willing to sit around and see how much Bale's worth to come to terms with Cecs' valuation.
Question is whether we are willing to pay over the odds considering the stupid price Madrid is willing to pay for Bale. I am sure Barca is willing to sit around and see how much Bale's worth to come to terms with Cecs' valuation.
This will not end until either we buy Fabregas or he comes out and says ,I am not going anywhere.
Yeap. Which is why Barca is trying to force Cecs to come out in saying it but he hasn't for the past month or so.
No, it wasn't about Carick. Signing someone else is fine, but negotiating for a player seriously and then saying 'never mind' is probably a waste of everyone's time. Like people here said, you can sound out a player or a club, but you can't go too far if you're working on another deal that would mean the cancellation of another.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5342308.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-401170/United-close--163-17m-Hargreaves.html
Why are we considering a third bid since one week? Bid and get it done with or accept defeat and move to other targets. Feel like we are in one place since over a week now.
Results are made by the personnel in your team. He's chasing a midfielder because we have a need for one.
Regarding Wengers comments, he is unlikely to say he thinks the player is available because if (big if) he does join United then there would be a back lash on Wenger for not attempting to resign him. Playing dumb can give Wenger the excuse he knew nothing of his availability.
I do wonder what there is left for us to consider. For the prices touted - around the €40m mark - I think it's a no-brainer. Fabregas is the perfect option for us; this one transfer would elevate us immensely.
We have Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Jones and Giggs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5342308.stm
It was actually Hargreaves. Hence why we made a bid on deadline day for Senna.
We read so deeply into everything. Maybe that is really what Wenger thinks/was told.
In a hindsight, Senna would have been a better signing. Superb player.
Wenger comes across as a straightforward kind of man, i don't think he's using mind games here, it's more than likely Fabregas will stay.
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