Fabregas
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Weren't there reports last week that on his return to training this week he would be doing a press conference to emphasise that he wants to stay and he's happy etc etc?
Why did we get Xavi muttering on about nothing today then? Would this press conference not have been an easy way for Barca and Cesc to put it all to bed?
Why did we get Xavi muttering on about nothing today then? Would this press conference not have been an easy way for Barca and Cesc to put it all to bed?
No Barcelona statement saying this, just the Spanish press waffling.
It was a mistake when translating it to English, it was supposed to be Monkey Kong.
For me, the fact that Moyes wasn't sure if we'd bid again speaks volumes. Obviously Barca aren't giving any indication that they'll sell or Moyes wouldn't say that. We might make one final 'take it or leave it' offer before moving on, but I fully expect it will be rebuffed.
Japanese to English mistranslation. It was monkey kong.
Edit: just got goosed by gooooooose.
Or he is letting them know that we are getting tired with their games and that our next offer will be take-it-or-leave-it. Barcelona don't have the money of a RM and they have apressing need to invest in central defence which will not be an inexpensive purchase.
Or he is not saying what he really thinks/knows as it's just a presser.
Messi's reputation is getting murkier and murkier. I thought we had all been brainwashed into thinking he was a saint.
RTÉ News reporting that we're making a third bid now.
Shigeru Miyamoto named him Donkey Kong because donkeys are stubborn. I can remember that from Nintendo Official Magazine in 1998 but I don't remember anything I ever learned in school.
RTÉ News?
They're live screening Woodward faxing it? Electrifying...
And there we have it folks, the infamous and all too often seen 'Caf switcheroo,' where one minute you can be discussing the chances of Cesc Fabregas joining Manchester United from FC Barcelona and the next you'll be deliberating the origins of the Nintendo character 'Donkey Kong.'
It's addictive
Actually...Miyamoto thought "donkey" meant silly or stupid in English. Kong he got from the obvious source. So, Donkey Kong = Silly Ape. The Americans later pointed out his mistake, but for some reason the name just stuck.
And, yeah: It's definitely on. Like the biggest feckwit in all of monkeydom.
And, yeah: It's definitely on. Like the biggest feckwit in all of monkeydom.
I remember stupid shit from PC gamer magazines from the nineties. It is such a waste of human intellectual capacity, really.
I think you spelt that wrong.
Been away. Any new news?
Fruit Cake's wife is pregnant.
Nothing on Sky Arts 2 yet.
Been away should never stop you finding news. I away right now.
Pat kenny quits RTÉ.
RTÉ start spreading transfer nonsense.
Coincidence?
RTÉ start spreading transfer nonsense.
Coincidence?
I was considering this whole deal today, and if my maths is anywhere near correct, I don't understand what Barcelona would really gain from the sale. There is this argument going around that they want to offload Fabregas in order to fund the sale of a top centre-half, but I don't see any circumstances under which this is possible.
The clauses Arsenal supposedly have are as follows: let's say for the sake of argument a buy back clause at the price at which Cesc was sold(£35m) and a 50% sell-on fee on whatever Barcelona get for him upon sale.
It's also been widely reported that Barcelona haven't even nearly paid Arsenal in full for Fabregas, with the deal having been made in installments. Currently, of the £35m, they've given us £20m.
All this means that I struggle to see the motive for Barcelona to sell. If they sell back to Arsenal, we will automatically have £15m knocked off the price for the unpaid money from the original transfer, plus another £5m of the Alex Song transfer, meaning they essentially only gain a £15m 'profit' on the whole deal.
Given that we have first refusal, this means Cesc has to categorically turn down any advance from Arsenal and decide that he will join Manchester United. Saying he does this, that means Barcelona will need to get top dollar to make it really worth losing him. If they sell for £40m, we get an automatic £20m, plus the money they still owe on the original transfer, totalling £15m, which leads us to £35m. Barcelona, selling at £40m, would actually make, for themselves, £5m.
Therefore, they need to sell at a fee around £60-70m to make it worth their while, but the fees United are offering are in that £40m range. I don't see how this is remotely enticing for Barcelona. Also, if they say openly he's up for sale, and he doesn't mind returning to Arsenal, they will be forced to accept our knock-down bid agreed two years ago. This makes no sense.
The clauses Arsenal supposedly have are as follows: let's say for the sake of argument a buy back clause at the price at which Cesc was sold(£35m) and a 50% sell-on fee on whatever Barcelona get for him upon sale.
It's also been widely reported that Barcelona haven't even nearly paid Arsenal in full for Fabregas, with the deal having been made in installments. Currently, of the £35m, they've given us £20m.
All this means that I struggle to see the motive for Barcelona to sell. If they sell back to Arsenal, we will automatically have £15m knocked off the price for the unpaid money from the original transfer, plus another £5m of the Alex Song transfer, meaning they essentially only gain a £15m 'profit' on the whole deal.
Given that we have first refusal, this means Cesc has to categorically turn down any advance from Arsenal and decide that he will join Manchester United. Saying he does this, that means Barcelona will need to get top dollar to make it really worth losing him. If they sell for £40m, we get an automatic £20m, plus the money they still owe on the original transfer, totalling £15m, which leads us to £35m. Barcelona, selling at £40m, would actually make, for themselves, £5m.
Therefore, they need to sell at a fee around £60-70m to make it worth their while, but the fees United are offering are in that £40m range. I don't see how this is remotely enticing for Barcelona. Also, if they say openly he's up for sale, and he doesn't mind returning to Arsenal, they will be forced to accept our knock-down bid agreed two years ago. This makes no sense.
Which one? The pillow or the cushion?
He's too young and famous for domesticity.
These aren't games, though. Fabregas is their player and they dictate to us what is acceptable. If we were in the region they wanted then they would have sat down and sorted the deal. Instead we've dragged our feet for a few days, showing no conviction in what we are doing.
In the past we'd just announce that a deal was done. The bit we didn't hear about was likely the negotiations where we had a small difference in values to make up. The fact we are publicly having bid after bid knocked back makes me feel this is us just chancing our arm a little.
All great. But isn't it 50% of the profit, not total revenue?
50% of the profit, not the actual transfer fee. Any amount they owe Arsenal won't come into consideration as they have to pay that back regardless of whether Fabregas moves or not, much like every other form of debt they have. I don't think they will sell, even at 35 million, but you have assumed so many things in this post and many of them are not correct.
There appear to be a few people who don't like him the amount of stories that are coming out, whether they are true or not. Maybe they are trying to prove he is too good to be true.
I've seen journos say it, but there's no way it's 50% simpliciter. It'll be on the profit.
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