Ignoring the first refusal aspect, I can't get my head around why would Barcelona want to sell Fabregas at this time. Not only will they need him even more next season, they don't stand to profit at all, having to give 50% of a resale back to Arsenal.
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Any chance Barca need to shave their wage bill having brought Neymar in 
Yes, this has got to be the case. Then again,agents are never going to tell clubs not to bid for their client. Its in their interests that their client is in demand even if only to argue for a better contract later.
Why should we worry about Arsenal? It's one thing leaving Barcelona for man united, but then a complete different story leaving for arsenal. I know he loves the club, but so did RVP.
Do you really think United would court a player that isn't seen as a realistic target?
On the face of it as someone who isn't involved in football it might seem ridiculous but it may well be a case of us not knowing something that United/Barca/Fabregas do.
They don't just pick up the phone to any old club and offer a random fee for any old player because he's got a bit of a reputation, months and months of scouting reports and research goes into this. They probably do some form of Cost-Benefit analysis on it too.
That could be an explanation, but have they got any other reliable player for the midfield? They can't go into a new season with just Busquets, Xavi or Iniesta.Any chance Barca need to shave their wage bill having brought Neymar in
Meh. Fabregas doesn't strike me as a guy who would be willing to do that to his old club.
We may have made a bid, but this one is never going to happen. I'll eat Mike Phelan's shorts if it does.
We may have made a bid, but this one is never going to happen. I'll eat Mike Phelan's shorts if it does.
Alex Song?
Sky's sources in Spain= Gollum Ballbag. Which means absoloutley 100% no truth in this. Move on to the Fellaini and Osman threads. Next.
They could always buy a new one.
What's desperate about making a bid for a player? We've no idea how far down the line we went first Thiago. For all we know it was never on, and Fabric gas has always been the target.
Our interest in Thiago was all a ruse to smoke out Bayern, get them bidding above the release clause to get the deal done, and at the request of Barca. In return they're letting us buy Fabregas. It's on.
In terms of the way we conduct our transfer business, I think we'll continue to operate in exactly the same way as before, despite the change of manager.
We've had the United reporters from all papers really pointing out within minutes we've offered 30m euro. None of them, I believe, wrote it's according to sources in Spain. They stated it as fact. They didn't read it on AS.
It's the Spanish sources that are quoting English papers, not the other way around.
This would only make sense if we knew there's a realistic chance to get Cesc.
insert laugh here
Do arsenal really get 50% of the transfer? This makes 0 sense to me, you don't purchase a player for £30m to say that you will be happy to give the selling club 50% of any future transfer. Makes 0 sense.
Because that is what's really important.There are plenty of tall boys going around these days. I suggest you climb one of their shoulders.
A bit sad that the club is going down the "make hopeless bids to appease the fans" route. The player doesn't want t come, I can't imagine Barcelona wanting to sell. Seems like such a waste of time. I'm sure with £30m, Wigan would sell McCarthy to United, he'll be an improvement on options and would be much more realistic and likely to come here.
They thought they were getting him for life, which they probably have.
BBC Sport's Ben SmithFOOTBALL
Manchester United make a £25m offer for Barcelona and former Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas.
The offer is currently under consideration but is understood to be below the Spanish club's current valuation of the player.
While Fabregas is not pushing for a move, it is understood he is open to a move back to England and will be guided by whether Barcelona are prepared to accept an offer for him.
Cocks out?
Manchester United make a £25m offer for Barcelona and former Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas.
The offer is currently under consideration but is understood to be below the Spanish club's current valuation of the player.
While Fabregas is not pushing for a move, it is understood he is open to a move back to England and will be guided by whether Barcelona are prepared to accept an offer for him.
Cocks out?
ITKs are already on to the next wishful midfield target.
25 million... Don't arsenal themselves have a buyback clause for 25?
25 million... Don't arsenal themselves have a buyback clause for 25?
This would make me so happy
Seen as a realistic target by who....the manager, the board, Robin Van Persie?
Perhaps it's to test Barca's resolve....but I don't think it will be tested very far. Don't get me wrong I would love Fabregas, but I don't live in lala land. If it happens I will happily eat humble shit pie, so remind me off that when we present him to the world's media.
nope, claiming it is their source: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8825274/
BBC now reporting that we've bid 26m for him. That's way too quick.
I have Fabregas' autograph on a theatre ticket somewhere, so I completely support this deal so I don't have to feel guilty about having it.
only for the last 45 mins!
Basically. The agent's not going to tell us to piss off, in case Barca do tell Farbegas he's no longer needed. He'll let it play out by giving us enough encouragement to bid but not so much that he'll burn his bridges with Barca. Pretty standard stuff, I'd imagine.
Here we go again, all aboard the emotional transfer rollercoaster 2013 part 2.5
Why would we need to do that? If Cesc was available, would the lure of playing for Arsenal be greater than playing for a club which can pay him better and possibly a greater chance of winning trophies?
£25 million? Such a lowball offer, if true. It'll be laughed at.
25 million? Even if this is a PR move, 25 million is laughable for a player of his quality and his situation at Barca. He doesn't want to go, they just sold Thiago who he was competing with for first option from bench, and all the Arsenal business. Although, apparently the 25 million price for Arsenal only comes into play if he asks to return to them specifically (forget what journalist I read it from).
Nurse only an hour late this time. Progress.
This is way more concrete than the Thiago thing though, bbc, sky etc all reporting we actually made a bid...
Listen , this is my first experiment with Muppetism. I dont know all the rules yet!!
Is Arsene managing us?
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