It's hilarious how some people here criticized Moyes for not going public (like Guardiola did) for Thiago. Now some people (probably the same ones) criticize the club for going public. As Cider said, who cares about it, the only thing it matters is if the club gets him or not. Regardless of the result, going or not going public doesn't matter at all.
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It's hilarious how some people here criticized Moyes for not going public (like Guardiola did) for Thiago. Now some people (probably the same ones) criticize the club for going public. As Cider said, who cares about it, the only thing it matters is if the club gets him or not. Regardless of the result, going or not going public doesn't matter at all.
Silly schmilly!
You never get a shag without risking rejection.
There are virgins and rapists pervading this thread. Some, I suspect, are both!
You never get a shag without risking rejection.
There are virgins and rapists pervading this thread. Some, I suspect, are both!
Well, what the heck is the point anyway if you're not willing to pay the price for a top talent? We look like we desperately want a "value fee" and risk ending up with nothing, or at least a lot less time to negotiate with other players - because we might be bidding for a player we might not even have a chance of getting.
I wouldn't have issues if we were bidding for a more realistic target.
I don't think we'd be being muppets in here were it not for the club's public pursuit. They should've done it behind closed doors, IMO. The club has just created an unnecessary swell of expectation. I'm still to hear one good reason for being so publicly forthright...
Well, sort of different really, seeing as Guardiola went public less than a week before they actually signed him.
Surely the difference is that Pep clearly came out once the deal was done...?
I know that, but my point was that people are complaining for not going public there and going public here, when I think it doesn't matter at all and it is only pointless whining.
Yep. But my point was that people complained for Moyes not going public for Thiago. What Pep do is out of our hands.
Hey now! Hey now! Don't dream it's over!
Weren't people complaining how it sucks to be in the dark about our transfers and it'd be good to know what's happening during the hush-hush chase of Thiago?
You assumed those of us criticising Moyes/the club for being public over Cesc wanted him to publicly state his interest in Thiago - not true. I didn't...
Dunno. Wasn't as much of a regular in the Thiago thread. You tell me...
That young midfielder scored for them this evening. Means feck all in the grand scheme of things... but it's ON.
They did. People just have a tendency to moan regardless. If the transfer's quiet, they want us to go public like Pep did. There was a lot of "If Pep could do it, why didnt Moyes". And now when he has done exactly that, "why's he gone public" is the tune that's being played.
Truth is, going public or not doesnt really make much of a difference when it comes to the actual transfer. Its only fans who care so much about it. I personally like the fact that I know we're interested in Fabregas but if the club suddenly announced signing Luis Gustavo from Bayern(a hush hush transfer I had no clue about), I'd be as happy with the way we did business.
What matters is who we actually end up signing, who cares who we tried for but couldnt get and how we went about it?
The only proof is in the proverbial pudding. Be patient, all you young Grasshoppers out there!
You're totally missing the point Cina and I made. Pep was silent until the point the deal was done (we can assume this since the timescale between Pep's statement and the announcement was tiny). So, essentially, Pep/Bayern did what I want Moyes/United to do: shut the feck up until there's news. Their public pronouncements have only served to get fans' hopes up.
I didnt miss the point. I was just using the Pep-Thiago transfer as an example.
The crux of my post lies in the 2nd and 3rd paragraph.
So we handled the Thiago business exactly as you wanted? OK, that's fine, but there were certainly some who were whinging.
But you're implying those that moan when it's quiet are the same as those that complain when it's too public. I don't feel that's true. Taking myself, for instance, I much prefer the understated approach. I don't see what the club has gained from doing this publicly.
No, am implying that going public or keeping deals quiet has a effect only in certain kinds of transfers and neither of the 2 sagas we've been involved in this summer makes the grade. Which is why I dont understand people moaning about either approach.
Tell me this regarding the transfer, what would we have gained by keeping this quiet? What have we lost by going public?
Do you think transfer deals all happen at the first bid? Do you know how many bids were made during successful transfer deals? Do you have any idea of what actually happens with regards the processes involved with signing footballers? Does it matter how many bids we actually make? If we're successful with our 10th bid, and sign him, will the club look silly because we bid so many times?
I think a single one word answer covers all those questions.
I can't endorse or criticise the club on Thiago, as I have no idea what happened - the club kept schtum.
With the the Fabregas stuff, the club's created an uneccessary narrative - what reason for this approach?
By keeping it quiet, there wouldn't have been as much of a negative fan reaction. What's been gained by going public?
Look, do you think we'll up the bid of the 3rd one gets rejected or not?
I for one highly doubt it.
What negative fan reaction? The negativity if we dont actually sign him eventually? I dont see how it'd be worse than no news at all, imagine the place with no news about us working on even getting a fellaini.
Once the season starts, everybody will forget this anyways. So as I said, I dont think it matters at all which is why I dont understand people feeling so strongly over either approach. If remaining silent would have somehow helped us in getting him, I'd have been mad at the club going public too but as it is, it doesnt affect the transfer at all.
I don't know. Much like you. What does it matter how many times we bid? Is there a magic number you shouldn't go beyond? Is that number 'two'?
The answer you were looking for was "No", by the way.
I asked this question a few days ago and got no answer.
How much did the club actually say publicly? I know Moyes has confirmed the two bids but not the amounts IIRC, we announced Woody was flying back on non-Rooney business but that was all about that, and we had Moyes a few times giving what amounted to a 'no-comment' when asked about the transfer by saying he wasn't sure and didn't know what Woody was doing.
So tell me, what other club statements have been made in relation to this?
Jason ad jimmy get the feck out of this thread
It's a complete change of tack from the club, and you can't offer up one good reason as to why they've acted like this...
Tbh look how worked up people got over Thiago/Sneijder etc when there was no public confirmation, I don't think it really makes that much difference. Even if we hadn't confirmed and hadn't have landed him I can imagine without a doubt as soon as we hit a hard time over the season it would be mentioned by the press about not signing our key target etc. Plus I swear with say Hazard, nasri and Lucas Fergie confirmed we were in for them after it didn't come off anyway. It's one of those things, whilst there's rumors a lot of people will believe them if they're strong enough and opposition fans will say it's not true/not gonna happen, when it doesn't happen we'll deny we were in for them and opposition fans will talk about how we missed out on our key targets. Well that's my experience anyway.
I'd rather know that we're at least trying for a genuine star in central midfield, doesn't look likely to happen but it's always good to know the willingness is there. Will be a bit disheartening though if we do stop at £30m, wouldn't seem that the club is willing to keep up with current prices if so.
I'd rather know that we're at least trying for a genuine star in central midfield, doesn't look likely to happen but it's always good to know the willingness is there. Will be a bit disheartening though if we do stop at £30m, wouldn't seem that the club is willing to keep up with current prices if so.
We've said enough to generate a story. A "we don't comment on press speculation" would easily have sufficed.
No reason to court publicity by saying we've bid and that it was ongoing.
Ofcourse its a big change, inevitable really when you change a manager who ran the club like a tight ship for 26years. I cant offer one good reason why we've acted like this because it doesnt matter anyways. If being quiet was such an advantage, we wouldnt have missed out on transfers under Sir Alex, didnt happen did it.
Regardless of fans's reactions, what actually matters in a transfer is offering the selling club a fee they are willing to accept and the player a contract he's happy with, neither of which get affected by the quiet or public approach in majority of the cases.
So you agree that all the public talking we have done has amounted to Moyes confirming we had bid twice when it was already confirmed by Barca and then saying the equivalent of no comment twice. Everything else is just media spun 'source revealed' bullshit the same as every other transfer in recent memory.
I just don't get what all the fuss is about.
Quite so. There's a difference between confirming a story and going out of your way to make sure it becomes public. The media would've caught wind of this deal anyway. Perhaps there are even factors present which would've made the latter even more inevitable than it usually is: Perhaps we knew very well that this would be a long-winded affair, with plenty of negotiating back and forth taking place.
Anyway, whether it's public knowledge or not obviously makes no difference when it comes to the actual business itself. The idea that it's so bloody embarrassing for us if we don't land him is fairly transparent: It's about having Moyes as our manager, the unfounded fear of becoming a laughing stock, more than anything. We lost out on plenty of targets under Fergie - and the world knew about it too. Were the same people terribly embarrassed back then?
I can't see any good alternatives to Fabregas but it is now looking unlikely.
Maybe they can be tempted by an over-priced bid of £40M or so.
Maybe they can be tempted by an over-priced bid of £40M or so.
http://www.givemesport.com/364262-lionel-messi-caught-with-blonde-stripper-during-ronaldo-party-session
Messi caught with a stripper while in Las Vegas. His girlfriend is away on holidays with Fabregas and his girlfriend. Fabregas' girlfriend, at seeing this, will now be worried and aggrieved that the party animal Messi will ruin her fine, upstanding SO and will influence him to do things that he wouldn't do in Manchester.
I would say it's not even on anymore, it's a certainty.
Messi caught with a stripper while in Las Vegas. His girlfriend is away on holidays with Fabregas and his girlfriend. Fabregas' girlfriend, at seeing this, will now be worried and aggrieved that the party animal Messi will ruin her fine, upstanding SO and will influence him to do things that he wouldn't do in Manchester.
I would say it's not even on anymore, it's a certainty.
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