Been wondering this myself. Maybe he just hated Australia... 'Yeah, Dave, I've got to get the next flight home for...erm.... Urgent transfer business. Yeah that's it, he'll buy that.... Did I think that or say it?'
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Been wondering this myself. Maybe he just hated Australia... 'Yeah, Dave, I've got to get the next flight home for...erm.... Urgent transfer business. Yeah that's it, he'll buy that.... Did I think that or say it?'
According to Marca we will make a formal offer between today and tomorrow.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually true, i.e. all prior bidding was paper talk.
Both Moyes and Barca's new manager confirmed that there were two bids that were rejected, the only question is if there will be a third one. So this is obviously not all paper talk.
I suspect that he thought that playing in England, and specifically not for Barcelona, was limiting his chances internationally. Being a bi fish in a non-winning English team wasn't doing him any favours - If he could cement himself into Barca's midfield alongside, or in place of one of Xavi / Iniesta, his selection for the national team would be pretty much a formality. It worked for Busquets, who is much more limited, after all (yes I'm aware it's not a like-for-like comparison).
That hasn't really happened, so he now moves onto plan C - become the main man for another top European club and lead them to glory. Hopefully.
According to Marca we will make a formal offer between today and tomorrow.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually true, i.e. all prior bidding was paper talk.
There is no between today and tomorrow; the moment today ends tomorrow begins, at which point tomorrow becomes today and the cycle continues.
The only way United could make a formal bid between today and tomorrow is by harnessing the dark arts. If that were the case then there's no way Barcelona would dare reject us. Could it be that Woodward still has contacts within the Pagan community?
Main man? I thought you had RVP for that?
You also need to remember than even when Fabregas and RVP were in the Arsenal team together, the fulcrum of the team was always Fabregas.
You need to get laid.
Main man? I thought you had RVP for that?
You also need to remember than even when Fabregas and RVP were in the Arsenal team together, the fulcrum of the team was always Fabregas.
Well, you answer your own question there. For me, the "main man" in a succesful team (and what we have been lacking recently) has to be a midfielder. Everything further forward is built on that.
Cider is going to pop his cherry soon. Between today and tomorrow, in fact.
fecks sake. Has your frustration with muppetry driven you to such pedantry?
Don't be so naive!
It would be possible to make such a bid if United momentarily slipped out of existence during the witching hour; but obviously ethereal meddling such as this comes not without a price.
True. That's why I really can't see Fabregas giving up the opportunity and chance he took just after 2 seasons at his boyhood club. He'd probably give in one more season and see where it takes him.
Maybe so, but cider's insane ramblings are the most sensible posts in the thread.
Not so: Pep even attempted a 3-4-3 to accommodate Fabregas and he must have been given some assurances about their 'vision' for him in the 1st xi.
I wouldn't believe for a second Fabregas would have gone to Barcelona if it meant foregoing all of his status and standing as a player i.e. someone demoted to squaddie biding his time for years until a first-teamer (Xavi) was too decrepit to play the role any longer. In that instance, he would've stayed at Arsenal a few more years or moved on from there to another side until the time was right to go back to Barca (when Xavi was close to the end.)
It would look poor on Cesc's side if he was just willing to be a passenger for years whilst throwing away the supposed best years of his career waiting for a shot in the team, which, even then is far from guaranteed all the while watching players like Thiago and Mata usurp him from his role in the NT and proving their worth as starters in teams with just as much aspiration as Barcelona.
But this is a World Cup year, which hastens things dramatically for him, unless he has been given a guarantee he's going to the World Cup irrespective of his Barca season and PT, if fit.
In that case, we are all doomed for sure.
Barca and Madrid would like to disagree!!! (ya, ya, ya...i know...they can only play if the midfield provides them with the ball)
If it's 40M barca wanted and we don't want to cough it up..... it'll be stupid on our side
When Barca come knocking and your playing in a non ambitious Arsenal side.. You don't need much assurances (Alex Song). At the time if believed was true, he was told he would play as a false striker and to be fare he has.
Perhaps, but it would take a huge ego to move to United, he knows and most of us will probably guess he can't make it there
Whether or not he can eclipse all that here and be greater than xavi, perhaps... but there can only be one reason him moving from Barca, and to simply put it will be "not good enough"
Or misfit. TBH, everything I always admired in Fabregas' play is completely missing from Barcelona's tiki taka and the Fabregas I want here is the Arse one, nothing like the Xavi of the last few years.
Sorry, but what the feck does this mean?
Our £25 million bid looks so pathetic and dated if they didn't want to sell. Spurs don't want to sell but they may well have to. A £50 million bid and we'd get Fabregas in my opinion.
Well, we're not even sure Woodward has actually landed yet.
Bid all the monies!!!!
Oh gawd!
In fairness £25million was an insult. We should have started at £35mil. But £50million is too much. Around £40-45mil is a fair price in this summers market.
One things for sure. FFP is just a joke. And for once Fergie was wrong! The value was to be had in the last couple of summers. This year the inflation has gone crazy in transfers.
I am unsure if it was or not. I have no idea why a bid of that size was made. But I think we have all forgotten just how much £25m is and there is a tendency these days to talk Monopoly money.
It is monopoly money in a sense, football divorced itself from realistic value a long time ago. You can only go by current market prices within football, with 25m now a relatively low amount of money.
We can't really afford the monopoly money though, unless it's for someone of Ronaldo's quality and stature.
It was enough to buy RVP and I know which player I would rather have. I appreciate the differential with the contract time remaining and age.
I'm with Fergiesman, I don't see people calling it insulting paying £22m for the best striker in the league.
Tbh, most seem to think we overpaid there, but really, seems quite cheap considering all the prices being bandied about now.
RvP was a totally different kettle of fish - a player who is older and was in the final year of his contract (and would have gone on a free).
Do you think Fabregas envisoned being a sub at Barcelona? Do you think the 3-4-3 he featured in during his first season came about randomly?
He was an absolute star in England, there is absolutely no way he expected things to be as poor as they have been for him since going back. It's actually harder to think of top teams Fabregas wouldn't be a starter and a star for than it is to find teams where he can't even get in the first xi. He must know that himself and it will be loyalty on the brink of foolhardiness if he is willing to stick it out for a World Cup year without assurances he'll get more *quality* playing time this season where he isn't just rolled out against fodder or when others are injured/rested.
Even if it we weren't the ones attempting to get him, I would think the player was ripe for a move away for the sake of his development and his WC hopes. It's a hell of a gamble to take (chancing it in a WC year) because he won't see the sight of another one until he is 30 years old and who knows what talents he'll be up against by then.
The more I think about this transfer, the more I believe we've been in his ear for months; we offer him practically everything he needs to re-establish himself as a star turn, Barcelona don't even seem arsed to keep him. It's an interesting predicament.
"Can't" tell us or "won't" tell us?
This sort of thing is yet another Moyes gaff to add to the already lengthy list.
This sort of thing is yet another Moyes gaff to add to the already lengthy list.
We're fortunate this is a WC year, I think. It brings his situation to a head. He may still opt to stay, but he will be aware of what he's risking by doing so. Seems to me he's in a far from cushy position now that Thiago has moved on, which is ironic really.
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