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Well he has come out and said it 3 or 4 times this transfer window... It's not his fault we chose to ignore it:lol:


He actually hasn't. The last actual word from Cesc himself was end of last season if I'm not mistaken. He himself has not come out to say anything since our bids.
 
There was a video at the end of the last season where he said he was going nowhere, but since this speculation has started there has not been an official word. Even the Barca players say he is happy to stay but haven't actually spoken to him about it.
 
When will Moyes arrive back in the country? Hopefully there'll be some sort of conclusion to this soon, good or bad.

As long as he avoids the airline that Woodward used, that is.
 
out of interest... what makes you think Fabregas would wanna come here?

Barcelona, Xavi/Inniesta partner, Good weather, less tax, boyhood club, closer to home

We're haven't done our homework imo
One thing that barely gets mentioned in this thread is Fabregas' status at Barcelona. He left England as one of the biggest stars in the league and in Europe adored and revered and also touted to go on and do bigger and greater things than he had to that point in time. Since then, he has become a relative nobody and a spare part who is a mere afterthought at his boyhood club. That, for a player of Cesc's calibre is not living any part of the dream - I am sure he wanted to go back there as a somebody; as someone who would be a celebrated first-teamer contributing to his team succeeding in La Liga and the Champions League. Turns out, they don't need him, haven't even tried to utilize him correctly and couldn't really care less if he left or stayed - and that goes for both the fans and the board. From Fabregas' POV it must be a huge fall from grace and not at all how he imagined his dream return panning out.

Some people here seem to think Fabregas will get his chance when Xavi calls it a day, but I very much doubt he will as he isn't technically proficient or patient enough to do what Xavi does and Barcelona require more from that metronome in midfield than practically anybody else in the team - arguably equal to Messi's contribution, even. They won't give the rein of the team to Fabregas, not with the level he has displayed there to date and I wouldn't be surprised if he himself is aware of that, too.

Contrast that with going to a host of other clubs where he would once again be revered and THE top dog of the midfield again, and I think the door is never going to close regarding his time at Barcelona. A player of his talent cannot see out his best years as some afterthought and spare part and then you add on this being a World Cup year with a direct rival for a slot in the NT moving to Bayern where he will be given the kind of platform Fabregas himself needs to shine, and you've got more than enough reason for Fabregas to want out.

In all the positions Fabregas can play, he now has serious competition for his spot in the NT and all of those players are going to play starring roles for their clubs this season. There is no way Fabregas is not aware of the predicament he is in and unless Del Bosque has given him a private nod saying he's on that plane to Brazil no matter what, he would be a fool to not be considering his future very carefully indeed.
 
All of you saying Fabregas is a "spare part" at Barca - do you know that he was one of their most used outfield players last season? 43 appearances for them last season is hardly "a spare part".
 
All of you saying Fabregas is a "spare part" at Barca - do you know that he was one of their most used outfield players last season? 43 appearances for them last season is hardly "a spare part".


I think he's far from a spare part, but when everyone's fit, he doesn't start. Certainly not in the biggest games. Players don't blindly look at their numbers when they know they're the 12th or 13th man.
 
Do you think he dreams of Moyes at night then, Brophs? Or do you reckon it's all a dream on the Equalizer's part?
 

As always, I maintain that this was never on.

That said, you can pretty much ignore Sun quotes that come from 'an insider' or 'a source'. It's their way of making shit up with no repercussions. Notice how the diction doesn't change at all between 'quote' and article. This in particular -

'It has been a battle trying to dislodge Xavi and Iniesta, or slot in successfully beside them, but he has had his fair share of games and wants even more'

- is written in exactly the same style as the rest of the article. It's clearly the inflection of a sports journalist. Quoted speech never sounds like that, especially when it is from someone not speaking in their first language or being translated (and presumably this Barcelona/Fabregas source would be Spanish). Compare it with the legitimate Martino quotes below, which are broken and grammatically flawed, as speech almost always is.
 
As always, I maintain that this was never on.

That said, you can pretty much ignore Sun quotes that come from 'an insider' or 'a source'. It's their way of making shit up with no repercussions. Notice how the diction doesn't change at all between 'quote' and article. This in particular -

'It has been a battle trying to dislodge Xavi and Iniesta, or slot in successfully beside them, but he has had his fair share of games and wants even more'

- is written in exactly the same style as the rest of the article. It's clearly the inflection of a sports journalist. Quoted speech never sounds like that, especially when it is from someone not speaking in their first language or being translated (and presumably this Barcelona/Fabregas source would be Spanish). Compare it with the legitimate Martino quotes below, which are broken and grammatically flawed, as speech almost always is.

Not trying to be a cnut or anything, but you do know it's perfectly common journalistic courtesy to adapt written speech somewhat? When you quote someone in full, with all the little words in between and every "eh" or "you know", it's usually with purpose to try and prove a point. (I.E. the quoted person sounds insecure, for example)
 
Do you think he dreams of Moyes at night then, Brophs? Or do you reckon it's all a dream on the Equalizer's part?

I couldn't care if he dreams of Wenger in a hot tub. I just hope we atleast make a 40m bid, we've come far enough.
 
Are we talking about the same Fabregas?

I remember him coming out and saying stuff, was probably before the bids though. Other then that it's been other people like his agent, friends and whoever else, saying he's not going anywhere.
 
Not trying to be a cnut or anything, but you do know it's perfectly common journalistic courtesy to adapt written speech somewhat? When you quote someone in full, with all the little words in between and every "eh" or "you know", it's usually with purpose to try and prove a point. (I.E. the quoted person sounds insecure, for example)

Obviously I know that journalists sometimes smooth out a quote. I've worked at the Telegraph. But there's a difference between the stilted effect that gives and the completely lack of transition between the article and that quote. Besides, generally if you're smoothing quotes you do it consistently. The Martino quote below is unchanged.
 
Obviously I know that journalists sometimes smooth out a quote. I've worked at the Telegraph. but there's a difference between the stilted effect that gives and the completely lack of transition between the article and that quote. Besides, generally if you're smoothing quotes you do it consistently. The Martino quote below is unchanged.

I would certainly not claim that The Sun's modus operandi are particularly noble that's for sure, I just misunderstood your meaning.
 
I knew there's a long flight from Australia to England but nine fecking days?

Perhaps Barca have counter-kidnapped the Equalizer to answer to us trying to kidnap Cecil?
 
I knew there's a long flight from Australia to England but nine fecking days?

Perhaps Barca have counter-kidnapped the Equalizer to answer to us trying to kidnap Cecil?


Quite likely. Better send Vidic and Jones into get him.
 
All of you saying Fabregas is a "spare part" at Barca - do you know that he was one of their most used outfield players last season? 43 appearances for them last season is hardly "a spare part".
For any game worth its salt, Fabregas won't start unless this new manager is going to deviate from their club tradition of 4-3-3. Fabregas cannot dislodge any of the midfielders be it: Busquets, Xavi or Iniesta and he won't even have the luxury he enjoyed of being pushed forward much now that they have Neymar who will take the left side.

He is very much a spare part there, just a sub or a rotation player when one of the untouchables is injured or tired. Its a role massively beneath his station, but he isn't better than any of those midfielders so that will be his lot, which is a ridiculous position for a player of his quality to be in.
 
I haven't been following this closely, but what was Woodward's urgent flight home about?

I remember seeing SSN breaking news about him catching a flight back for urgent transfer business.
 
Do you think he dreams of Moyes at night then, Brophs? Or do you reckon it's all a dream on the Equalizer's part?


Do you think players dream of Barca's new manager? Moyes is a better known manager then him but don't let that stop you.
 
According to Marca we will make a formal offer between today and tomorrow.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually true, i.e. all prior bidding was paper talk. :wenger:
 
Eh? I thought people from sides acknowledged there have been bids that were rejected?:
 
I had a quick gander at Marca and didn't see anything. Maybe it's their twitter account.


Its on marca.com.

But the story is from "sources close to United". MARCA can feck off it they want us to believe they have sources close to United!
 
Hardly makes sense...Fabregas is clearly the better player.
I'm not so sure, last season Gundogan was among the 5 best midfielders in Europe. I'd prefer Fabregas for United though but Gundogan would also be a top signing for any club
 
Suppose he's cheaper and younger. Xavi's got another 3years I'd say.

THIS has to be what's on Cesc's mind in pondering whether to stick it out at Barcelona or not.

Others have made the point but I'll throw one more log on the fire anyway. Cesc is much too good of a footballer to be a 12th man, even on Barcelona. Perhaps the lifestyle and comforts of living in Barcelona outweigh all other considerations, but if we wants to fulfill his potential as a footballer, however that's defined, he needs to start on a regular basis. That doesn't necessarily mean he goes to United, but it may mean he decides to move on to such a club.

If you want him that badly, Edward Woodward, go all in.
 
It makes sense if Fabregas wants to leave to get (effectively) guaranteed 1st team football. A 22 year-old who is still developing could well be more prepared to bide his time until Xavi is gone...

He knew what he was in for before he left Arsenal as he plays the same 2nd fiddle to Xavi and Iniesta in the Spanish national team. The role he plays hardly requires him to be a young 24 year old player. He can slowly move into Xavi's role within the next 3 seasons and stay there till he's 33 or 34.
 
As i mentioned before i reckon Barca are holding out for £40m, which we are unlikely to pay.

To pi$$ Barca off we should just make a bid for Gundogon.
 
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