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I don't know why I get involved with this roller coaster ride in the first place.

I really don't believe one single word of the speculation.

It's like some little kid is sitting his bedroom playing silly buggers for kicks. Which it most probably is anyway.

I'm sure we're "working very hard with ongoing transfers to get some people in before the end of the transfer window".
 
Fergie's Man said:
I have no doubt that the public nature of the bids was to serve a purpose. We may never know that purpose, but I would caution anybody that thinks The Equaliser and Moyes are fools. They are obviously much better placed to make that call.
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I don't care what their IQs are. They raised expectations talking about our unlimited budget and signing the 'best players'. If, instead, we end up triggering a release clause for Marouane Fellaini, it'll be a major disappointment and a blow to our credibility.

In football, as in any business, people are judged by results. A club with our resources should be able to compete effectively in the transfer market.
 
Will Absolute said:
I don't care what their IQs are. They raised expectations talking about our unlimited budget and signing the 'best players'. If, instead, we end up triggering a release clause for Marouane Fellaini, it'll be a major disappointment and a blow to our credibility.

In football, as in any business, people are judged by results. A club with our resources should be able to compete effectively in the transfer market.
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I am afraid there is no hope for you!

Results? Do you mean winning the EPL convincingly or keeping some right numpties happy down the 'Caf?
 
Will Absolute said:
I don't care what their IQs are. They raised expectations talking about our unlimited budget and signing the 'best players'. If, instead, we end up triggering a release clause for Marouane Fellaini, it'll be a major disappointment and a blow to our credibility.

In football, as in any business, people are judged by results. A club with our resources should be able to compete effectively in the transfer market.
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There's a chance you may have forgotten what this actually means in football. Transfers are not the results which people in football are judged on. Results are.
 
Fellaini should NOT be viewed as a fallback option for Fabregas. They bring different tools to the workshop.

If the Fabregas bid is not dead by the end of the week, we may have to tee up our jizz launchers!
 
Grinner said:
The newbs are currently beating you lot. Their thread is at 229 pages...get your fingers out.
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Pleasing to hear there's some quality coming through from the academy - sounds like the transfer forum's future is very bright indeed.
 
Woodzy said:
They'll probably get snapped up by the Juventus forum.
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Seduced away by the promise of immediate promotion. If they stay here, they'll have to stay in the Newbs whilst completely inappropriate posters like Glaston and Pete fill all the threads.

(Damn, this analogy has legs.)

EDIT: Damnit Siorac
 
Fergie's Man said:
I am afraid there is no hope for you!

Results? Do you mean winning the EPL convincingly or keeping some right numpties happy down the 'Caf?
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I mean operating effectively in the market and signing players that the team needs to compete. That's Moyes/Woody's job in the transfer window.

There's a very strong correlation between total wage bill and success in modern football. Total wage bill = average quality of player. Without that quality, a team does not win. And before we pay them, we have to buy them.

Of the top sides at the moment, only Barcelona could hope to be competitive without their expensive imports. We have many promising young players, but, imo, when Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Rooney and RvP are gone or diminished, it's unlikely that our present youth, without wc additions, will be good enough to win anything.
 
Ruud10 said:
Fellaini should NOT be viewed as a fallback option for Fabregas. They bring different tools to the workshop.

If the Fabregas bid is not dead by the end of the week, we may have to tee up our jizz launchers!
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Veiled attempt at calling Moyes' style of football Neanderthal.
 

The market is just a means to an end. I am afraid, for me anyway, you are talking a load of shite. I am sure there are plenty in here that would agree with you, insofar that we should spend lots of money on transfers that you would call "operating effectively".

This club has been built on success on the pitch, not on transfer market prowess. Many of our best players in recent times cost us virtually nothing or were home-grown.

I think we should buy Fabregas for £40m, but who am I to judge the actions of our management without full knowledge of all the facts?
 
Siorac said:
No surprises there if we keep playing The Neviller and Cina in the transfer forum instead of giving the youth a chance.
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Hey, I might be getting on in years, but I've still got the touch and vision. The legs have slowed a bit so I'll probably retire at the end of the season, but I'll come back after 6 months when the forum realises that the options it has in my position are dire at best.
 
I still have a sneaky feeling this will happen.

I hope we up our bid towards 40m because he would be well worth it.
 
Woodzy said:
They'll probably get snapped up by the Juventus forum.
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The Mods are great and all but they rarely give these lads a chance in the main without really making them wait first. These days, the kids just aren't prepared to wait around.
 
Brightonian said:
Seduced away by the promise of immediate promotion. If they stay here, they'll have to stay in the Newbs whilst completely inappropriate posters like Glaston and Pete fill all the threads.

(Damn, this analogy has legs.)

EDIT: Damnit Siorac
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Pete's the most annoying WUM I've ever known, but I wouldn't have the Caf without him. I've always personally thought Glaston posts reasonable sense too.
 
Will Absolute said:
I mean operating effectively in the market and signing players that the team needs to compete. That's Moyes/Woody's job in the transfer window.

There's a very strong correlation between total wage bill and success in modern football. Total wage bill = average quality of player. Without that quality, a team does not win. And before we pay them, we have to buy them.

Of the top sides at the moment, only Barcelona could hope to be competitive without their expensive imports. We have many promising young players, but, imo, when Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Rooney and RvP are gone or diminished, it's unlikely that our present youth, without wc additions, will be good enough to win anything.
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There is immediate opinion on everything. Judgment is very quick.

"If you win one game folk will think you are good. If you lose one folk will think you are rubbish. You hope there is a little bit of sense and people understand where you are going. It is a big job. It is a new job. It will take time, as it would for anybody else. In a way, we are as much preparing for next year as we are this year at Manchester United. This club is always preparing for the future. We are looking at targets we hope to sign in a year's time, not necessarily just this year."

We will be ok!
 
Feed Me said:
It's true, he may as well have fecking stayed put.
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It's strange isn't it? So what, he flew back from preseason to make offers for fabregas and was told to "feck off" in return. Seems rather ridicolous. If barca have no intention to sell and never did and fabregas doesn't want to move and never did, our actions will a bit strange.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's strange isn't it? So what, he flew back from preseason to make offers for fabregas and was told to "feck off" in return. Seems rather ridicolous. If barca have no intention to sell and never did and fabregas doesn't want to move and never did, our actions will a bit strange.
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The whole 'saga' is one of the strangest transfers I've ever known United be involved in. Despite being so publicly in for him, I don't think anyone has ever been truly convinced that we'd ever get our target. I personally think the club has gone about the whole pursuit poorly. A key disadvantage now is that if we have to go for second and third choices, it puts the players that eventually come in under additional scrutiny. I've seen posters speculate over the logic of being so public, but I just can't fathom it. Granted, the sum total of the club's/Moyes' comments hasn't been that much, but all the nonsense over "unlimited budgets" and being able to spend £70m on one player seems increasingly ridiculous in the face of our inactivity. Talk is cheap.
 
Feed Me said:
The whole 'saga' is one of the strangest transfers I've ever known United be involved in. Despite being so publicly in for him, I don't think anyone has ever been truly convinced that we'd ever get our target. I personally think the club has gone about the whole pursuit poorly. A key disadvantage now is that if we have to go for second and third choices, it puts the players that eventually come in under additional scrutiny. I've seen posters speculate over the logic of being so public, but I just can't fathom it. Granted, the sum total of the club's/Moyes' comments hasn't been that much, but all the nonsense over "unlimited budgets" and being able to spend £70m on one player seems increasingly ridiculous in the face of our inactivity. Talk is cheap.
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Its exactly the same as how Madrid do their business. Like it or not we have a new manger and a new chief exec. If our new strategy is this i don't have a problem with it.
 
Feed Me said:
The whole 'saga' is one of the strangest transfers I've ever known United be involved in. Despite being so publicly in for him, I don't think anyone has ever been truly convinced that we'd ever get our target. I personally think the club has gone about the whole pursuit poorly. A key disadvantage now is that if we have to go for second and third choices, it puts the players that eventually come in under additional scrutiny. I've seen posters speculate over the logic of being so public, but I just can't fathom it. Granted, the sum total of the club's/Moyes' comments hasn't been that much, but all the nonsense over "unlimited budgets" and being able to spend £70m on one player seems increasingly ridiculous in the face of our inactivity. Talk is cheap.
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If you're confident of getting your man then fine make it public and keep giving the press updates. But if all our bids are going to get shot down like the first two have, what encouraged us to make it so public in the first place? Was it SHOW that we were going after a big name? I'm not suggested we are after him just to show people. But either were confident of pulling it off or not. Being so public should only be the case where the chances are high. I really hope we pull this off. It won't be embarrassing if we don't like some put it but it will be a really bizarre transfer saga that boggles the mind.
 
Mainoldo said:
Its exactly the same as how Madrid do their business. Like it or not we have a new manger and a new chief exec. If our new strategy is this i don't have a problem with it.
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To really. When do madrid make such public statements regarding negotiations when all reports indicate no interest from the other side. I reiterate that if that isn the case and were actually in proper discussions with the other side open to a move, then we are vindicated. But I do remember talking about action without any sign of action. They often just talk. That's different.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
To really. When do madrid make such public statements regarding negotiations when all reports indicate no interest from the other side. I reiterate that if that isn the case and were actually in proper discussions with the other side open to a move, then we are vindicated. But I do remember talking about action without any sign of action. They often just talk. That's different.
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Madrid do it all the time. How many times have they reportedly signed Patrick Vieira. We just seem to be in a hissie fit because its not how we do business. It might not work this time with Fabregas but who is to say it won't with the next target. Fabregas is a bit different because its his boyhood club who are at the minute still arguable the best team in the world. Any other team he might have expressed a more open desire to leave.
 
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