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Can someone explain to me what Arsenal's contractual rights are to Fabregas?

Say we put in a bid for 40m for Cesc? Exactly would could Arsenal do to prevent him from coming to United and how much would it cost them? Thanks!
 
The advantage provided Reus is that you can play in different positions: left or right end, playmaker and even false '9 ', a position that Cesc has held on many occasions. She is 24 years old and is a very complete player with good dribbling, speed, dribbling and much goal.

When did he become a she?
 
For the purpose of balance here is a slightly more recent MD article:

Maintains that Cesc stays

  • The club has asked if he and his agent had changed its position as the British press pointed
F. Perearnau | Barcelona 29/07/2013 1:49​
The FC Barcelona, ​​which has repeatedly denied by mouth sports vice president Josep Maria Bartomeu, Tito Vilanova itself Friday in the voice of Tata Martíno new coach, contemplating the transfer of Cesc to Manchester United, has cross-examined the player himself and his agent for their situation in the last few hours getting your response identical and aligned with that expressed by the club: it does not move the Camp Nou.​
The club has never doubted her commitment and determination to fulfill his contract despite the many speculations about his state of mind and performance, which is still below the overall expectations. However, recent reports in the British press not only pointed in the opposite direction but held their headlines direct sources of the player himself, Fabregas, and his agent Darren Dein.

Secret meeting??
Specifically, the Sunday Express newspaper argued in yesterday's edition that the player had instructed his agent to listen to offers after having staked its future . "Dein has remained a secret meeting this week with the head of the English club, Ed Woodward. In it, he would have conveyed the will of the former Arsenal to call at his team," said this information. At the same time, the supply released by the English media and was about 40 million.​
In this situation media, Barca club officials have been in contact with Cesc himself and his agent to see if there had been any change in its position as the press pointed. The response has been the same as always, there is no intention to change clubs or have, in turn, the slightest movement in this direction nor that Man Utd or any other club could play that opened the door.​
Therefore, the FC Barcelona seguirásin pick up the phone when they ask from England or anywhere else for Cesc has not even been heard any dialogue or offer for two reasons that the player never expressed, on the contrary, not feel comfortable and committed to the club and both Tito Vilanova as Tata Martino either expressed or transmitted to the club that do not have Cesc. Tito himself put it, when he spoke Thiago drain, as an example of player who had passed his desire to succeed at Barca despite the problems of adaptation to the game of their first two years. "When a player tells you that I am to death with it," said Vilanova. His successor, Tata Martino, neither was weaker. Asked at the press conference of presentation is expressed with absolute firmness. "The club has denied it twice and I do it a third time."​
The contrast of this joint position of Barca and the player with the news that handles daily English press about the interest of Manchester is to be found, therefore, in error of journalistic sources or by intention Manchester United to go Cesc undermining resistance.​
For now, the repeated information published has not succeeded.​
If he leaves, there are options: Reus, Gundogan or Mata
Barça made clear that "Cesc is not for sale". In England they say that Manchester United will not throw in the towel and that the player himself would like to return to the Premiership, his agent, Darren Dein, would be holding secret meetings with British leaders. If you were leaving 40 million in cash, the club should find a substitute. In this hypothetical horizon are three names with Barca DNA: it comes from Borussia Dortmund SOCCER PLAYERS Marco Reus and Ilkay Gundogan, and Chelsea's Juan Mata. Reus would be perhaps the most complicated operation for Jurgen Klopp's refusal to negotiate.Its market value would be about 34 million. The advantage is that you can play right or left end, playmaker and even false '9 '. She is 24 years old, full, fast, with dribbling and long goal.​
Gundogan would be another of the candidates. The Turk has only 22, very classy, ​​a great shot and is one of those players who created the game for the rest of the crew. Its price is 27 million. Finally, Mata (Chelsea). It is very versatile and can play both inside and at the ends. It has 25, also misses the target and its price would depend on the interest in selling Mou​
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I think the previous article KM posted was rehashing what had been said in the British press and then suggesting possible replacements if it is true.
In the above MD suggest that the club have spoken to Fabregas and his agent about the rumoured contact with us and they have said that there is no intention to change clubs.
They do talk about the three possible replacements again though.
Nothing to see imo but its slightly interesting that they're now entertaining the idea of "what if he leaves?" rather than flat out dismissal.
 
This one seems out the window now, but at least we've tried for him and, presumably, Thiago.
 
For the purpose of balance here is a slightly more recent MD article:


I think the previous article KM posted was rehashing what had been said in the British press and then suggesting possible replacements if it is true.
In the above MD suggest that the club have spoken to Fabregas and his agent about the rumoured contact with us and they have said that there is no intention to change clubs.
They do talk about the three possible replacements again though.
Nothing to see imo but its slightly interesting that they're now entertaining the idea of "what if he leaves?" rather than flat out dismissal.


Its more interesting to note that the newspapers are now beginning to pain Cesc as the villain, ie - he wants to leave whilst the club wants to keep him.
 
Isnt there a Barca press conference today with Fabregas? What time is it at?
 
Isnt there a Barca press conference today with Fabregas? What time is it at?


Exactly, is that just a rumour or really happening.

If there is a press conference and Fabregas is involved in that then it is unlikely he will come out and say he wants to leave.
 
This forum and this thread in particular is full of absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Will you all listen to yourselves? None of you have a fecking clue what's going on behind the scenes and every single thing in this place is guesswork nonsense. Bunch of fecking retards, it'll either happen or it won't, just keep our eye on the website and the main media instead of scrutinising every detail of things you don't know about every time there's a slight change.


And yet here you are, reading and posting.
 
Isnt there a Barca press conference today with Fabregas? What time is it at?


I don't think the press conference is confirmed yet. He like the other Spanish NT players is expected to do one this week and it may be they'll send Cesc out first just to knock the speculation on the head.
 
If Arsenal are really entitled to 50% of Barca's profit on him (and most sources say they are) then £40m doesn't really make much difference compared to £35m - £2.5m is peanuts to a club like this. Perhaps £60m (which would give Barca around £42m) could tempt them.
 
If Arsenal are really entitled to 50% of Barca's profit on him (and most sources say they are) then £40m doesn't really make much difference compared to £35m - £2.5m is peanuts to a club like this. Perhaps £60m (which would give Barca around £42m) could tempt them.

You think Fabregas is worth 60m? fecking hell!
Barca would bite your hand off for 50m. But it's still far more than he is worth.
 
You think Fabregas is worth 60m? fecking hell!
Barca would bite your hand off for 50m. But it's still far more than he is worth.

Based on what? He is/was one of the best mids FOR the PL... he played very well when he was here, I'd say he'd be worth £60 million to us, at a push maybe, but I certainly wouldn't refute £50million
 
Considering he was the best player in the Premier League when he left, our big gaping hole in midfield, his age, profile, nationality, plays for Barcelona, United tax, Moyes first buy "must be big", Cavani/Falcao/Bale, lack of other options etc etc, it's really not outlandish paying north of £50m for Fabregas.
 
Fabregas worth £60m? Bloody hell. I don't think he's worth that much to us.
 
Based on what? He is/was one of the best mids FOR the PL... he played very well when he was here, I'd say he'd be worth £60 million to us, at a push maybe, but I certainly wouldn't refute £50million

60m! That is fecking nuts! You have lost all perspective if you think he is worth that much!
 
You think Fabregas is worth 60m? fecking hell!
Barca would bite your hand off for 50m. But it's still far more than he is worth.

He isn't but Barca only get half of anything above £27m which was the price they paid for him when he signed from Arsenal, apparently, and I took that into consideration in that post. A £60m price means Barca would get £43.5m which is probably around what they value him at. If the clause doesn't exist then perhaps £40m would do the trick. I wouldn't want us to pay a penny over £40m though.
 
60m! That is fecking nuts! You have lost all perspective if you think he is worth that much!

Without being rude, there are more elements to todays footballer than what can he do on the pitch I'm afraid, he is a hugely marketable player in a position we are screaming for, not only that but he is of an age you would expect to see his best years...
 
He isn't but Barca only get half of anything above £27m which was the price they paid for him when he signed from Arsenal, apparently, and I took that into consideration in that post. A £60m price means Barca would get £43.5m which is probably around what they value him at. If the clause doesn't exist then perhaps £40m would do the trick. I wouldn't want us to pay a penny over £40m though.


Well yes, we don't really know about that clause, as you imply. It might not be as generous as the Arsenal fans like to think.

And yes, I agree that 40m is a fair price. Anything over that is pushing it for me. But I do think that Barca will only sell for what is obviously an "unfair price", i.e. United have paid well over the odds. Its the only way they can avoid losing face given their statements.
 
If that Idiot from Liverpool is worth £50m and Madrid have reportedly offered £82m for Bale, then £60m for Fabregas is about right I think.
I do agree it is a crazy price.

We fecking bid £26 million for the guy. Suddenly paying £60m after that initial bid is as unrealistic as it gets.

Btw: http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/c...o-interest-in-man-united-move-catalan-press/?

I think this charade is quite done. Find some fecking realistic targets, please.
 
We fecking bid £26 million for the guy. Suddenly paying £60m after that initial bid is as unrealistic as it gets.

Btw: http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/c...o-interest-in-man-united-move-catalan-press/?

I think this charade is quite done. Find some fecking realistic targets, please.

I agree with you, the initial bid was woefully low, but in the context of other transfers £60m is about right.
I am of the feeling that we never stood a chance of signing him, there is one thing, it does show we have to money to bid for the top players.
 
If you're trying to make a statement and buy the right player - that's Fabregas in this instance, you can't be trying to buy Fabregas for 20 million. So if it takes 40/50? That's what you got to do.
 
If you're trying to make a statement and buy the right player - that's Fabregas in this instance, you can't be trying to buy Fabregas for 20 million. So if it takes 40/50? That's what you got to do.

It's true. Go hard or go home. We must have known that by selecting Fabregas, we were going for a very tricky target, and we were always going to have to pay over the odds.
 
We know that, but thats the money being touted for him, the transfer market is crazy.
Obviously but the price of a player and the value are quite different, Fabregas is worth £60 million to us, but to say Bayern Munich, he wouldn't be due to their bodies in CM.. however his value is probably closer to £30-35 million IMo
 
If Fabregas is our only signing and no one leaves, i have no issue with us paying 60m.
 
We need to keep bidding, even when the transfer window closes...
 
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