I think thats a very optimistic take on it.
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You had better get on to Moyes and let him know, I am sure he hasn't had any clauses brought to his attention before he bid. That will teach him.
Fortunately for you, wanker smilies are banned on the caf.
I do believe Moyes gave us some insight as to what will happen tomorrow when he said he doesn't know whether we will bid again or not. I get the impression he does not believe that Fabregas will be strong enough to bang in a transfer request. He is waiting for the Fab camp to make the next move, but is not confident. All the shite in the papers about this being more advanced than it is, is exactly that.
I personally believe we will get a reiteration of his statement earlier in the year, whilst being promised a move in the future behind closed doors.
I think we should move on and rapidly.
That would indeed teach me.
Don't know if it's been posted but reports in Spain are saying Fabregas will hold a press conference over the coming days, signaling his intent to go nowhere.
No need to reject us in public, Cesc. Just stay quiet and lets act like this never happened.
I'd argue that was his value when he went to Barca, surely he is worth less after a couple of unspectacular seasons. 40m would be about right.
Can we close this thread now? This was never going to happen, he threw pizza at the great man ffs.
We simply are going for the wrong targets and its embarrasing....theres good options out there that would be realistic like gaitan or matic...but maybe moyes knew Fabregas would never come so he purposely bid for him to show some ambition but really just wanted fellaini all along!
I hope he does (hold a presser) if only to give Moyes time to seek other options should Fabregas not be willing to move.
I understand Moyes intention of going for star players as he needs to give himself the best possible team for his first season as the manager of Manchester United. I'm not sure if fans, I include, have actually understood the magnitude of his task yet. So if he doesn't stick his neck out and believe in what he does, he'll have a tough task convincing us fans as well as the players which further complicate things. It's no surprise he's left with a lot of money to spend in an attempt to land top players - if anything as a counter-balance to his relatively insignificant reputation on the world stage. Could a failed attempt on landing a prime target have a detrimental effect on landing players further down the pecking order? Who knows but here's hoping it does not.
Attempting to land Fabregas is an utterly bold move but I think Moyes realised quite quickly that he's damned either way and went on with it just for the hell of it.
I understand Moyes intention of going for star players as he needs to give himself the best possible team for his first season as the manager of Manchester United. I'm not sure if fans, I include, have actually understood the magnitude of his task yet. So if he doesn't stick his neck out and believe in what he does, he'll have a tough task convincing us fans as well as the players which further complicate things. It's no surprise he's left with a lot of money to spend in an attempt to land top players - if anything as a counter-balance to his relatively insignificant reputation on the world stage. Could a failed attempt on landing a prime target have a detrimental effect on landing players further down the pecking order? Who knows but here's hoping it does not.
Attempting to land Fabregas is an utterly bold move but I think Moyes realised quite quickly that he's damned either way and went on with it just for the hell of it.
Seems like this one is very likely to be dead in the water, starting to get a bit twitchy now. Even if we do bring someone/some players in now they're going to have to acclimatise and get up to speed rather sharpish. Every chance we'll be doing our business around or after the season is getting underway which isn't ideal.
Why?
Are Barca embarrased for going for Thiago Silva?
Bayern for going for Lewandovski?
Madrid for Neymar/Bale?
Gaitan is a winger. How many times have you seen Matic playing?
Fellaini has a buyout clause, if he was our main target we would have signed him and he would have been in pre-season right now.
I'm glad we've been working on this for two weeks for no reason.
It's all a smokescreen to keep you from what's happening at Madrid - where we are signing Ronaldo!
Watch as this is reported in all the major papers tomorrow!
Watch as this is reported in all the major papers tomorrow!
This so much. Why the feck do people keep going on with this 'embarrassing' nonsense? The only thing that's changed is that for once we are one of the clubs talking openly about which players we're after (which most other top clubs have been doing for years).
Also I just think it deserves to be on record from as many people as possible: Gaitan would not be a good buy. He's really nothing special, a decent player who got hyped because of a couple of good performances against us. He's not as good as what we have either on the wings or as a #10.
I have had fun for it, and if I lose a Tenner, who cares?Fabregas signing for United would be a hard one for you to take, both emotionally and financially, and the chance for that to happen was well worth £10! You're a good sport, Pete.
Are people still getting easily embarrassed?
And also pedalling the "bid to prove ambition" nonsense?
So allegedly Fabregas is addressing his future tomorrow? There is no way he is going into a Barca press conference saying that his future lies elsewhere. We need to bid huge to get him.
My point exactly...has any of the players you mentioned actually ended up at the clubs that tried to get them? Bale...
is a slightly different case as he is claiming supposedly that Levy made an agreement with him a year ago about being able to leave if Levy got the right offer this summer.........Gaitan has played central mid many many times and
is likened to riquelme in argentina...my fellaini comment was just taking the piss and I'd still love if we signed him as he brings goals and if a way better player than most on here believe
What point exactly? None of those players were successfully pursued.
And Gaitan is not a central midfielder. Sometimes he plays in an attacking midfield role, like Kagawa or Rooney, which is not the same - and even there he's less effective than on the wing. He's also not that special on the wing either. Not better than what we have.
The only thing we've done wrong so far is offer a bit of a piss take fee for him.
In a world where Madrid paid 30 odd million for a 19 year old hot prospect and Bale is valued at 80 billion trillion zillion pounds, Barcelona are never going to sell a world class talent like Fabregas for 35 million.
In a world where Madrid paid 30 odd million for a 19 year old hot prospect and Bale is valued at 80 billion trillion zillion pounds, Barcelona are never going to sell a world class talent like Fabregas for 35 million.
.......ok embarrasing is the wrong word...frustrating is more appropiate....city signed 4 class players that were all very much on the market and they werent exactly the biggest names in europe....chelseas signings of players that were very gettable in schurrle and van ginkel was impressive too...you just wish we had gone for signings like that which could have been quick and without fuss and knowing u have the stars of tomorrow but if we get fabregas then I'll eat my hat as it never seemed likely from day 1
Which one of these players would have improved us and be a starter for us. Probably only Fernandinho.
What's the deal about Gitan. He either plays as a winger (Nani, Valencia, Young, Zaha) or as a No.10 (Rooney, Kagawa). And he's not that good anyway. Don't offend Riquelme by comparing him with fecking Gaitan.
Do we have to sign players only cause we should sign players, or to improve our team. We are going for that player who is going to improve our team most (Fabregas is a top central midfielder) and if we fail we move on, hopefully we'll get a good central midfielder.
Negredo - Van Persie, Rooney, Chicharito and Welbeck in that position. The first three are better than him.
Jovetic - A potentially very good player, but we have a lot of players who play in that position. Some of them on form are better than him
Navas - We have four wingers (five if you include Kagawa). Where will he play. And please don't say that our wingers were shit last season cause if you have watched Sevilla you should know that Navas wasn't better last season.
Fernandinho - A good midfielder, likely would have improved us.
Schurrle - All of Valencia, Nani, Kagawa and Rooney are better than him
Van Ginkel - haven't seen him play that much so can't comment.
Why does he need to hold a press conference to tell us he doesn't want to leave? He can just do that on twitter.
Exactly why we signed Pogba then eh?
The fallout of not signing Cesc will be buying a new creative midfielder will cost us around the same (bid) price now regardless who it is. Firstly Woody will be desperate to close a deal quickly and also the selling club now knows our budget.
Is this the way transfers work? This summer has been a revelation, in a way. The nature of transfer business has been brought to the fore in a way never before seen. It's been a steep learning curve but I'm enjoying learning so much more. I can now add "make a bid for £30mil+ for a player, every player you bid for after will also cost £30mil+, irrespective of whether they are as good or as valuable as the first player" to the things I've learned.
2.21AM. Perfectly reasonable time to check the Fabregas thread to see if there has been any updates in the past hour.
True but I dont think we have been rejected twice before have we?* Thus the perception of desperation and higher prices for less valued/appropriate/fitting player if we dont get Cesc.
* Cescs better not be a pussy and bale out on us after all the encouragement he must have given Woody-Moyes. May have lost out of Thiago because of our confidence on the Cesc deal.
There's nothing embarrassing about going after good players and unsuccessfully signing them.
We've been rejected by players on countless occassions, and I very much doubt it has any effect on future deals. We were "rejected" by both Hazard and Lucas last summer, right? Didn't stop RVP coming, or effect his fee, I wouldn't have imagined.
We aren't actually being rejected by the player, if anything he and his agent very likely made us bid, and wanted to come. As a club it's a matter of honour players of such quality are willing to join. At this juncture it's a simple case of Barcelona not willing to sell, and he can hardly do anything due to having a contract.
I once bid on a Lamborghini on EBay to prove my 'ambition' to a lady friend. It was a tense three hours until someone outbid me. But my ambition couldn't be questioned
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They say that although Barcelona has publicly said that Cesc is not for sale. An offer for 40m Euros could change the whole thing. Also says his agent has definitely held meeting with United officials.
Then mentions Reus, Gundogan and Mata as possible replacements.
If he joins us, emphasis on if, what would Arsenal fans consider to be the greatest betrayal - Cesc or RvP?
Why are the Spanish dailies playing with us?
Surprised that article didn't just say Cesc to United, Rooney to Chelsea and Mata to Barcelona
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