This is all on the surface though
Fabregas
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This is all on the surface though
I agree with Will. We seem to be upping our bids in shitty increments. Our bids so far are well below what Fabregas is worth, especially to us. If money is no object, stop dicking around and put a £40m bid in. It's false economy to skimp for such a much-needed player. Fabregas is perfect for United.
The negative nellies have decided that £40m is the magical figure to get Cesc. Too bad, Woody and Moyesy don't read the CAF.
Whatever you say, £25m was a derisory bid, and £30m wasn't much better. I can understand Barca's intransigence, if those were the bids we lodged.
We've still got Bebe knocking around at the club, haven't we? Oh for that extra £8m...
Oh, the cheek of Woody to bid an amount that offended the mighty Barcelona. How dare he!
Sorry, I didn't get the Bebe gibberish.
What are you yammering on about?
If you make ridiculous low-ball bids, the selling club is liable to tell you to do one.
Ha, it's like a permanent match day thread around here. Nothing but muppets who seem eternally disappointed that United are not City or Chelsea. You've got to wonder why they hang around here at all.
Wenger rang aaaCesc back in June and he said that he was going to give it another year.
38m bid is ridiculous? Are we bidding Messi?
Bless you!
You are the one yammering not me.
£25m is not a ridiculously low bid, and the second bid was £30m + add ons. He wasn't sold for much more 2 years ago. Neither has he become any better. In fact he has played out of position in those 2 years. There was nothing wrong with the bids.
Sorry, was it a Redcafe poster that talked about "no budget" or was it our club's top brass?
Probably best not to talk big if there's nothing to back it up. It's obviously relatively early days yet, with over a month of the transfer window left, but as things stand I haven't heard a convincing argument as to why we've been so public about everything. That sort of behaviour - like it or not - creates an expectation.
And he told you this over dinner at Ivy did he?
£25m is a ridiculous bid considering what they paid for him, and the fact he has good time left on his contract. I understand that you begin lower in a negotiation, but I'm not sure about Moyes' comments stating he's not sure whether we'll bid again. By all accounts, we've gone up to £30m plus add ons. It surprises me, given our desperate need, that we're now unsure as to whether to go higher.
Wenger said so to the press.
We'd be all over this like a rash if he was leaving.
I wish we'd hurry up and sign him so the Caf can get their donation from Storey.
It would cost 50m it seems to get the player. More than United would have expected. . Probably United could spend 50m on a player. But the fact remains. Cesc Fabregas is not worth 50m . City and Chelsea can piss away money well over the odds. They can write blank cheques. It's all a big joke to them. If muppets really think United can write blank cheques then that's not Woodwards fault. It's theirs.
Only when he's avoiding tax.
A horrible rash, in an awkward place, that no one is particularly happy to discover.
I'm now confident enough to leave off the brown trousers.
They paid £27m plus add-ons for him, didn't they? How is £25m a ridiculous bid?
He said he is not sure as Woody is managing the bids.
I'm not reading through 5 pages, has anything changed in the last 5 pages?
You won't, as you don't need him. You have more pressing concerns. Cesc would be a luxury that a team with a tight budget cannot afford.
That's quite an arbitrary figure, where do you get that from? Barcelona say he's not for sale at any price and we definitely know he's not for sale for 30m. How do you know that 1) they're not telling the truth, 2) if they aren't, then how can you be sure that 40m won't be enough to sway them?
Who's talking about £50m? I mentioned £40m, which is hardly high level muppetry when you consider it's widely reported that United's final bid would be £35m. Stone me for wondering whether the club might push the boat out with an additional £5m for a player that would improve us immeasurably.
I never understand football fans that worry about a player's worth. It's not your money! In any case, we paid £30m for Rio back in 2003 - I'm sure similar debates took place back then. He's ended up being more than worth it.
No.
Moyes basically said at his presser that he doesn't know whether we'll make a third bid for Fabregas.
It's ludicrous because there's no reason to suggest his value has fallen. Especially not when it's us that are in the market for him. It was as derisory a bid as Chelsea's for Rooney.
It seems pretty clear to me that a climb down now by Barca would have to be at least 50m. A figure that is so insanely more than the player is worth that they do not lose any face. When asked why they transferred an untransferable player they can just point to the fee and say " those English are nuts. What are you going to do?" 40m is nowhere near enough for that.
We've got more money due to TV+commercials and even if we didn't we'd buy Cesc back if it meant selling Wilshere to fund it.
Cheers feedme and steve.
You have got money but I would think that a Striker, defensive minded midfielder and a central defender were priorities. That would take care of whatever extra money you'll get from the new deals.
As you say, the possibility might be selling Wilshere to fund the move. Which would be a stupid move, IMO. (i.e. if Wilshere is not a permanent crock)
I agree that he'd never go for 25 or 30 million. If those were our first two bids, good negotiation tactic or not, they see never going to be accepted.
How much do you think he's actually worth? I dont see anything derisory about a 25mil 1st bid. If Barca are willing to sell, 40mil should do it. Starting 10mil below that is standard practice. If your 1st bid is 40mil, be prepared to get fleeced as the club would always reject the 1st bid.
If Cesc were available we'd buy him and forget Suarez or anyone else (sell Wilshere, sack Gazidis). Wenger built his MkIII team around him, he'd go for MkIVb with Cesc at the heart of it.
It was probably just a way to get the ball rolling, get some press, makes sense especially if the vibe is that it's not like Barca really want sell or he really wants to leave but just that they would be both open to the concept. The bids, even if below what they would expect represent a clear intention and get them talking. That said doesn't look like its going that well.
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