If we're unwilling to go to £40m then this really has been pointless.
Fabregas
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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I disagree me aul china, £6m+ add on's might just swing it pal.
If someone upped an offer by £6 for my ebay item - "Life-sized Antonio Banderas Blow Up Love Doll - with realistic genetilia" - i'd be rinsing it out & deflating it now mate....
Bang on. This is exactly just that. Bidding to sign a player that his current club don't want to sell & he doesn't want to leave, just to show fans that the money is there. No intent of making the signing whatsoever. There are so many attainable targets that United have either missed on or not tried at all like Thiago, Strootman, Gundogan, etc.
If true, that's depressingly in line with the Gill/Fergie 'value is king' era.
First assign some spurious market value to the player; then determine that, above all other considerations, the club must not bid more than that value, regardless of how much money we have, or how badly we need the player. How successful that policy has been in securing our top targets in recent years!
It's like refusing to offer more than 50p for a glass of water, even if dying of thirst in the middle of the Sahara, because 50p is the market value of a glass of water. Does anybody really believe that Fabregas is only worth £36m to us?
You've done some moaning in here.
If the owners of this club don't have the common sense to realize that doing things like that would end up pissing off the fans more than "helping to sell tickets" then I worry for the club.
Paranoid much?
Just following your lead, bro.
I'm no moaner, I'm full of the joys.
Don't be stupid.
I moan about things the club I support do, you moan about people who moan about things the club they support do.
We're the same, except I'm not a... you know... think numpty.
If there was ever any way of this being on, we'd have had to go at least as high as £40mil with our final offer to give it a chance.
Neither am I, see my location. I'm just a bit pissed off, that's all.
I think it's definitely not a possibility. We aren't bidding for a player we know we can't sign just to appease fans. How does this work exactly? Are you stupid? Do you buy it? If not, then who are they appeasing? You're a fan, you haven't bought it. Are they appeasing stupid fans?
It's a ridiculous notion. I've heard people say it's to "appease the fans because we didn't sign Thiago". How does not signing someone make up for not signing someone? I've also heard people say it's to "prove we have money". How does not signing someone through not bidding enough money prove we have money?
I blame Woody.
I've come to the conclusion that the press don't have a clue. Tonight, the Daily Mail say we'll make a final offer of €40m, the Daily Mirror says Cesc wants to stay, and the Daily Express say he wants to join us.
Is there any logic to people saying we need to be at £40m to stand a chance, other than it being a rounded £40m?
Bearing in mind that £36m is >€40m. As far as Barca are concerned, this latest bid would exceed that 'landmark' number...
Bearing in mind that £36m is >€40m. As far as Barca are concerned, this latest bid would exceed that 'landmark' number...
Is it really a "finally offer"? We surely wouldn't jump from £30mil to £40mil. If this is how people spend their money I wish I was selling stuff on eBay. £30mil to £36mil is a decent offer raise. Saying it's a final offer might not mean it is. If it's a "No" I wouldn't be surprised to see another bid go in.
Could it be like the last offer, as in 36m "and add-ons"?
Bloody hell, you're a quick one.
People read too much into this "smokescreen" stuff of bidding for a player without the intent of actually signing them. Moyes may have not been optimistic that it would happen and may have been doubtful of our chances of getting him, but I really doubt he'd have bid with no intent of signing the player, especially when Fabregas would be a perfect fit for us.
I actually like the thought of Fellaini in our midfield, but Moyes will, at least to some fans, look like a complete villain after the Thiago and Fabregas debacles if he goes for the 3rd, 4th or 5th choice midfielder.
If he gets off to a bad start in the league, more then a few will start calling for his head. They'll be idiots of course, but that's the way it will pan out.
If he gets off to a bad start in the league, more then a few will start calling for his head. They'll be idiots of course, but that's the way it will pan out.
Stop it with your logic and reason and let the paranoid people have their say.
I think people are confused by it all being in the open - very unlike United in recent years. Anyway, a strategy of this kind would only work if the fans actually believed we were a) truly in for him and b) doing all we humanly could to buy the fecker. I don't think we're playing that kind of elaborate game - most people don't I think, at least if they consider it twice.
We are in for him. And we have either made it public or allowed it to become public. The latter could be a statement of sorts to the fans, I wouldn't rule that out. But that doesn't mean we're trying to appease them in a deceitful manner. For most I suspect that's just the frustration of muppet season talking.
We should make a faxing bot that places bid making increment of 2,3,5,8...millions. They'll have to accept someday.
This attempted transfer has been an absolute car crash.
He's back at work on Monday. If there's anything to the story. we might start to hear more then. If there's nothing to it I expect Barca will want him to say so to the press.
You're a fan, you've bought it.
You're right about one thing, they are appeasing stupid fans, like you.
What is this shit about a 36M "improved offer"? Hadn't we got to 40 already?
Seeing as Arsenal are supposed to get 50% of the fee, in what world would Barca sell Fabregas for 18M? Anything under 50M will get nowhere near being accepted.
Seeing as Arsenal are supposed to get 50% of the fee, in what world would Barca sell Fabregas for 18M? Anything under 50M will get nowhere near being accepted.
Who the feck knows what's going on in this convoluted deal.
Every clause, bid, whatever changes on a daily basis. That Arsenal percentage is only on profit Barca make above what they paid Arsenal, according to some.
I wouldn't have thought that they would get 50% of the actual fee, more like 50% of any profit that Barcelona make
It's 50% of Barca's profit, not 50% of the fee.
People are beginning to crack 
It would be retarded if they got 50% of the total fee rather than the profit. Unlikely in the very extreme.
36M is exactly one mill more than they paid for him. We're letting 'em bag a profit of five hundred grand, then. Seems generous to me.
I have no idea what's going on here, obviously, but if we really have a war chest this time around, it does seem a bit strange to keep upping the bid in these relatively small increments. Unless we are really close, that is. I wouldn't think so, though. Seems more likely to me the magic figure is closer to fifty than thirty. But feck knows. We might keep bidding until the window closes for all I know.
I have no idea what's going on here, obviously, but if we really have a war chest this time around, it does seem a bit strange to keep upping the bid in these relatively small increments. Unless we are really close, that is. I wouldn't think so, though. Seems more likely to me the magic figure is closer to fifty than thirty. But feck knows. We might keep bidding until the window closes for all I know.
All we need now are some performing seals and we've got a proper circus.
The whole transfer thing makes me laugh.
Based on the fact we actually know jack & are left to speculate in the dark, why is it a 'car crash' ?
Anybody got Woody's number? I want to let him know that if Barca don't sell him to us I'll be willing to send them my cursed tin.
Brilliant. You, however, are a very clever fan and you haven't bought it, because you're so clever. You've seen through Woodward and his dastardly plan to make up for not signing someone by not signing someone else. Only a genius would see through it, so well done you.
Sleep safe in the knowledge that you, guy off the internet, are a genius who wasn't fooled by the most devious plan ever concocted by a human brain.
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