Tomalonge
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Worse I'd imagine. There's probably been an influx of opposition supporters on the (relatively easy, apparently) WUM.is the noobs this bad?
Worse I'd imagine. There's probably been an influx of opposition supporters on the (relatively easy, apparently) WUM.is the noobs this bad?
Personally, if we don't get Fabregas, I'd be disgusted and embarrassed and would certainly find it difficult to raise any support for the club for at least the coming season. I'm hoping it won't come to this though as the thought of us having bids for players rejected sickens me; I'd be forced to take a long hard look at my emotional ties with the club and decide once and for all whether or not it's worth bothering with football any longer - and to be honest the conclusion I believe I'd likely arrive at is one that would malign me with a depth of sadness, disappointment and an overriding feeling of betrayal which I'm not sure I'd be able to withstand from the viewpoint of my mental health. Bidding for Fabregas is so unprofessional, so undignified and uncouth that serious questions would have to be asked of United's management team and board of executives; and I for one would expect such questions to not just be posed internally, or from the FA or UEFA, but eventually an enquiry from the house of commons I should hope would be forthcoming. I just don't think David Moyes understands the gravity of his position; he certainly does not understand the gravity of his words. Our preseason tour press conferences are being made an absolute mockery of and the situation would seem as being entirely irreparable, there's just no way back from this if Barcelona don't accept our latest bid for Cesc Fabregas. I blame myself in a way; the warning signs were all there from the Thiago fiasco; I should have turned my back then and disassociated myself from the sport immediately - I didn't though, and I've only myself to blame for that. I'm dirty now, tainted with the blood and ink of this atrocity, and that's something I'm just going to have to learn to live with. Whether I can do that remains to be seen. I don't want to be thinking about more final solutions, but I worry that sooner or later I'm going to have to come to terms with the fact that perhaps it isn't going to be possible for me to carry on in this suddenly so blackened world.
Check out @Fergie1975's Tweet:
Funny how the muppets go into total meltdown. Every year the same shit. Just calm down, we will be fine
Yeah, you already made a thread with this. Get some new material.
When the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime stop monging I'll stop laughing.
feck knows, but anyone that prefaces their tweet with 'apparently' isn't even trying to appear to know whats going on.From the Twatter thread:
Force what issue?
Force what issue?
Nice tagline Cider.
When you're trying to buy big fish, you have to pull your finger out and splash the cash.
I think if Barca had any intention of selling then they'd just tell us what price they want.
I think if Barca had any intention of selling then they'd just tell us what price they want.
I think if Barca had any intention of selling then they'd just tell us what price they want.
"This is home. It is where his family is, and he is playing with his closest friends.
"United are wasting their time. It took a long time for Cesc to get his dream move back home and he won't give it up."
"He has told us he is happy and that he intends to stay with Barcelona."
~ Gerard Pique
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...er-united-wasting-their-time-on-cesc-fabregas
No, you're in error. We've been rejected once. Don't know where you got this 'again and again' thing. Granted, to assume we've been encouraged to bid by the club, is a pretty big assumption to make.
Once you make it though, none of our conduct seems strange, or indeed the calamity that it's been made out to be. On the contrary.
I think some are so desperate for this to happen that they're clutching at straws. I mean, Fabregas has already said once this summer that he doesn't want to join us and that he wants to stay there. Pique makes some very valid points today regarding Fabregas chasing this dream for a long time, so why would he give up now?
The way I see it is that Fabregas has publicly said he doesn't want the move, he's told his team mates he is staying and Barca are unwilling to negotiate. I just can't see this one happening at all.
If barca wants a price, they'll get it... so long as it is not >40M or so
I have a bad feeling about this, we looks pretty desperate
41 , 40, 42, that's not what I meantSo if it was £41million it wouldn't be a good deal?!
Yeah, you already made a thread with this. Get some new material.
"You're gonna need a bigger boat."
From the Twatter thread:
Force what issue?
Fellaini/Cabaye/McCarthy/Barry/Parker coupled with Carrick would make for a solid platform to build upon IMO.I reckon he could be worth 40m to us, maybe. Hard to see who else we could get that gives us that level of class. Modric perhaps, though he's definitely not as good, and is also a couple of years older.
Still can't see it happening with Fabregas, but even if not, it was definitely worth a try.
The options elsewhere do look to be shrinking a bit. A lot of players have already moved - Thiago obviously, Paulinho, Fernandinho, Fernando, Maher, Strootman, Quintero, Wanyama, Illaramendi, Van Ginkel etc. or committed themselves for longer - Gundogan, Draxler, Hamsik etc. Fellaini/Cabaye/McCarthy seem most likely, and they are not top class.
Cristian Eriksen might be an option, maybe? Bit similar to Kagawa really, and not the passer Fabregas is.
Pretty tempting to let Cleverley at it, and see if we can transfer weight from Anderson to Fletcher to make them backups.
The stories yesterday that we'd be willing to walk away if the next offer didn't get accepted I think was a ploy too. As people pointed out there was nothing in the presser to suggest this if you re-read the quotes but it may have been something that was leaked discretely by the club in hope that 'United have limited patience' story would give them an edge somehow in the negotiation.
We are basically telling them "take it or leave it". Its the right tactic. Its like like Fabregas is the best player in the world, there are other options.
Fellaini/Cabaye/McCarthy/Barry/Parker coupled with Carrick would make for a solid platform to build upon IMO.
No, once.Ok maybe "again and again" sounds over dramatic. But we've now been rejected, what twice?
I'm not sure why you would expect to sense anything from it, considering you're not really the one negotiating, are you?And apparently we're making a third bid. All good, except that I don't sense any encouragement from the Barca at all.
You really don't know if it helped or not. Why should that statement have any bearing anyway?I'm not saying it's strange or wrong to make multiple bids for a player. But the whole timing of it after the Thiago business, our open declaration that we've got "no budget", "we're after the best players in the world", "we're making a bid for Fabregas" to the media, just didn't help.
You're taking a bizarre leap of logic there to conclude something completely baseless. If United were getting strong signals from the player and/or the club, the whole process would manifest itself exactly the way it has.Generally I think you don't make such bold statements unless you've already done your homework (like Pep/Bayern with Thiago), or are getting really strong signals from the club or player. Right now it looks like none of the above, on the face of it at least. Am still hoping to be proven wrong