He hasn't been the same since he fractured his ankle at Bayern.. thats true.
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He hasn't been the same since he fractured his ankle at Bayern.. thats true.
Barca look like they might be willing to sell him if the right bid comes along.
Fabregas is smart enough not to stay where he isn't wanted. Perhaps he's made it clear that if Barca wish to sell him, then he'll move on.
I don't think it's going to happen but there's no way United would just blindly bid for a player with no encouragement from either the club or the player. I refuse to believe it.
I think there's always an element of 'try your luck' when you're shopping for players of a certain level. I think you're right though, we haven't decided to do everything we have done in relation to Cesc on the basis of nothing. I can also understand both Barca and Cesc publicly saying they're not looking for transfer to happen - it's all about not putting anyone's nose out of joint. There are tonnes of examples in the world of transfers where public declarations have totally flown in the face of what's ended up happening.
The media and opposing fans are looking to frame everything United do at the moment as desperate or misguided. Moyes isn't Ferguson, but he's also not an idiot.
I think so too, pocco. And like Fergie's son, I too believe that Fabregas's agent is encouraging to keep on bidding.
Even if most things that are being represented are true, I don't see anything wrong with this approach. We are trying to land a star player, it's going to be more difficult than signing Zaha.
Exactly. It may not come off for any number of reasons, but it's very far fetched to suggest that we're going to these lengths with no element of reciprocation from Barcelona/Fabregas.
Based on what we know about the mechanics of a transfer deal, players are tapped-up before an official approach is made. I just cannot believe we've just slapped a bid in without getting an indication of whether we're going up a dead end. Furthermore, and I know it's been repeated an annoying amount, I just don't see that we'd have upped our bid have Barca said he wasn't for sale. Everything points to them having told us that he's not for sale at that price.
I don't think Moyes particularly has a lot to do with it.
Fergie said on numerous occasions that he left the job to Gill once he'd identified his targets. He only intervened when the situation called for it, e.g. calling Van Persie personally to convince him.
Fair point. In which case, it's even more unfair that Moyes is getting hammered from certain fans for not doing a good job in the transfer market.
Man alive, you could be on to something here. I think you're the first person to think of that, Cassius.
You really think our transfer team is that naive? Its people who are paid very highly to do a job they excel in we are talking about here. Also, no comments so far from Fabregas or his agent is very telling. Being a boyhood fan, he could very easily have come out and rubbished these reports if he had 0 interest.
As I see it, he's having a good think about it. He might want assurances from Barca and if they give it to him, he'l rubbish rumors about wanting to move. Unless he makes up his mind and makes a decision though, he'l stay mum and encourage us.
It's not. He was terrific for the second half of 2010/11, after contractgate. He hasn't been the same in the past two years, though.
Yeah, Rooney was our driving force during that title run in, in 2011. After Berba and Nani had got us through the first half of the season.
Remember that hat trick at West Ham?
Remember that hat trick at West Ham?
Aye, and him being a fecking gobshite and getting a ban ruling him out of our vital semi final game against City
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I think we would, and have probably done so in the past. Only now we are making it public, whereas before we didn't and any rumours about bids would be dismissed by us as tabloid bs.
That's uncalled for Gaylord.
I don't have these threads bookmarked in my settings.
Besides, if so many have said it then I think we might be on to something.
Lulz?
I think quite simply United are trying to find Barca's price. If they get a bid accepted it will unsettle Fabregas. We will no doubt leak the fact it has been accepted and the world will know Barca "want" to sell Fabregas. It'd surely make it "difficult" to stay knowing the club were "looking" to sell him.
So we snitch about the price to the world even though barca agreed to sell to us?
If they accept the bid then I'm very confident cesc would join us
The price is irrelevant. It'd be the fact that a bid was accepted that would unsettle him , if Barca accept a bid it would mean that X amount of money is more important to them than keeping Fabregas. That would be something or him to think about.
No, it's not. Leading up to the CL final in 2011, he was as good as ever.
If our bid is accepted, I'll still be more confident that Fabregas will join Arsenal rather than us.
It doesn't make much sense. It's awfully common for clubs to talk to agents. I'd certainly expect United to at least talk to the agent of the player to see if there's any interest. Otherwise, it's a complete waste of time.
You think he'd rather take a step backwards than a sideways step?
Would be pointless going back there. He left to win trophies and has won a couple which will probably give him a greater thirst to win more. He wont achieve that back at Arsenal.
Put it like that then no, but I do think there's probably only one club for him in England. I'd imagine if our bid was accepted then it would invite many other bids from other teams, Arsenal included, and he'd end up choosing one of them over us.
Oh now I understand. 100% agree with that.
I think it's safe to say United aren't blind bidding and must have had some encouragement to bid then bid again. Will be interesting to see the conclusion to it all.
Amazing how perceptions change. The consensus was the ban was a complete joke and a very dirty ruling from the FA and now it's that Rooney let the club down by swearing and should be hated even more for it.Unless they get another top player or even 2 in beforehand, I dont think he'l move to arsenal. it'd be a big backward step. And considering the current prices, I dont see Arsenal spending close to 100mil that'd be required to get fabregas + 2 top players.
There is definitely a difference between making your interest known and making an official bid, I doubt the club has just bid for the sake of it. Woodward and Moyes know we need to improve the midfield, I doubt they would waste time on Fabregas unless they had been made to feel it could happen. Any of you who think this is some elaborate smokescreen are somewhat paranoid, no offence.
If a bid was accepted do any of you it would get Arsenal, City, Chelsea etc. bidding also?
If a bid was accepted do any of you it would get Arsenal, City, Chelsea etc. bidding also?
People are too quick to dismiss loyalty. It's rare enough, but some players still behave that way. I happen to think Fabregas might be one of them. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.
He strikes me as an RvP type character - I think when it comes to United, he would "get it" in terms of the size of the club.
I'd say he had a bad start to the following season after that injury and his marraige problems but in the second half of the 2010/11 he probably played his best ever stuff & followed it up with a excellent 2011/12 season scoring 36 goals and then last season he had good and bad spells but spent a lot of it injured & out of position which would effect anyone's form. We all know he is a cnut and it's reached a point where we pretty much have to sell him but let's be honest we are still losing one of our best players if not our best and one of the best in the league. Having said that with our current squad and the signing of RVP I do think he is easier to replace than he was in 2010.
I also believe that United would not bid if they did not receive any positive signals but why would Barca want to sell him and why would he want to leave his club? I really wonder.
He started 30 games last season and is the obvious successor to xavi - especially now thiago has gone
Unless the new manager comes in and says something stupid like cesc is important because we need cover if iniesta is injured then why would cesc want to go?
But who knows perhaps the new manager wont rate him and will want to sell? But I doubt it
Unless the new manager comes in and says something stupid like cesc is important because we need cover if iniesta is injured then why would cesc want to go?
But who knows perhaps the new manager wont rate him and will want to sell? But I doubt it
People are ignoring that Barcelona are very likely to want to spend a huge amount of money on Thiago Silva and possibly need to have funds from the Fabregas sale to do it, or at least know they can move him on to free up wages.
I dont know why people keep saying this. They couldnt be more different to each other. Unless Barca change what's expected of the player coming in for Xavi, fabregas has no hope of succeeding him.
This is pretty much how I see it. PSG have just signed Marquinos because like any good side you want a replacement sorted before you sell. Obviously Barca are very keen on Thiago Silva and possibly need the cash plus wages freed up due to FFP. Don't forget they just spent a shit load on Neymar too. They need a centre back far more that they need Fabregas right now. The reasons will be financial if he is sold.
My concern is not whether Barca will sell but if they do will Arsenal use the clause. I believe Fabregas would return to Arsenal, although for footballing reasons he'd obviously be better off here.
If a bid is accepted then this is not gonna be plain sailing from there, unless Arsenal fail to act. We have to persuade Barca to sell, Cesc to leave and to chose us over Arsenal. Tough odds.
What's Thiago Silvas buyout clause set at?
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