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To get to the top players will have trained for many thousands of hours under many different coaches. The players to get to the top have to apply themselves with a ton of dedication and to get to the top have learned a work ethic and discipline which I think would mean that very few have the attitude you are alluding to. if you are a player who has worked so hard and diligently since a kid, through youth ranks till you get to become a pro capable of playing in the top divisions then you are unlikely to be the type of player who wants choose a coach who is a weak one.I always thought he was a repellent and a good one too. Why would you want to work under someone who for years ruled pretty much with an iron fist, who had ultimate say over EVERYTHING (he virtually appointed his successor for feck sake!) when you could instead play for a fly-by-night with zero control over the dressing room who will probably be sacked within a year, if not certainly two, who you've not really got to pay much attention to or even bother to learn their name e.g 99% of other coaches who due to the weakness and insecurity of their own position are likely to let you get away with murder.
If I was a certain type of player then working for Sir Alex would be the last thing I'd want to do.
To get to the top players will have trained for many thousands of hours under many different coaches. The players to get to the top have to apply themselves with a ton of dedication and to get to the top have learned a work ethic and discipline which I think would mean that very few have the attitude you are alluding to. if you are a player who has worked so hard and diligently since a kid, through youth ranks till you get to become a pro capable of playing in the top divisions then you are unlikely to be the type of player who wants choose a coach who is a weak one.
I don't think he could ever just lose that, it wasn't a fluke.
He maybe doesn't play in that position the way the system at Barcelona requires him to, but I think he could slot back into midfield for clubs not playing tiki-taka, and who don't value possession so much, quite easily. In the Messi, Xavi, Iniesta era, Barcelona's midfield was never going to be shaped to suit Cesc's best qualities, which is probably what he needs.
Fabregas' first ever Liga game iirc was at home to Villarreal. He played in an attacking midfield role swapping positions with Messi and he/it was brilliant, admittedly, but the fact is that isn't his natural position. So how could it have become evident to Pep after a run of games in midfield that it wouldn't work and that he would need to change things up when the first start Cesc had he was already getting played out of position...
Bollocks that he's "lost it" from CM. You just have an incredibly flawed system. If a midfielder of Fabregas' abilities is deemed too incompetent to play in it then I think it's obvious where the problem lies. I'd understand if Cesc was this deep-lying quarterback type player who just pings 50 yard passes all day but he isn't. He did it at Arsenal often because of the space afforded to them which Barcelona don't ever see in their matches but he also played a lot more intricate, eye of the needle stuff too. He's more than able to slot into that team and play at a high level. He's got a better final ball/killer pass than Xavi has.
Well you don't want to whip out the trophies and compare. United unlike barca are the dominant force in their own league. How far are barca behind real again? Is it 10 league titles?Not sure why you would take it personally, it is what it is. Moreover, Barcelona has a flawed system? Let's not whip out our trophies and compare eh?
All you need to do is look at the matches between Arsenal & Barcelona and see how exposed he was in midfield compared to ours
Well you don't want to whip out the trophies and compare. United unlike barca are the dominant force in their own league. How far are barca behind real again? Is it 10 league titles?
And only one European cup between the two.
Obviously the system isn't flawed. It's a stupid claim. And if a player doesn't fit in then it's just a mismatch not a flaw in the system itself. If anything the system has been the biggest reason for barca's success of late. Not just what pep has brought but the tiki taka itself, although I don't like it.I do want to whip em out and compare if Pep's system is going to astonishingly be described as flawed by a Gooner. In this era and with this 'flawed' system, no one has won more trophies. No one.
Beginning, yes and they often were playing a 3-4-3. That lasted all of a few matches and why? Because he was like a lost puppy.
Like I've said in other threads, you wouldn't need a match to see what was blatantly obvious even in training, Cesc is technically inferior to the other midfielders at the club (Save Song since Mascherano never plays there anyway). Pep's game is predicated on possession and if you're a liability, how many touches do you think a player like that is going to get in the middle of the park?
Not sure why you would take it personally, it is what it is. Moreover, Barcelona has a flawed system? Let's not whip out our trophies and compare eh?
All you need to do is look at the matches between Arsenal & Barcelona and see how exposed he was in midfield compared to ours
[quote="amolbhatia100, post: 13854205, member: 4910"]He isn't technically inferior at all. Unless you just mean ball control in tight spaces. His shooting technique is great and ability to play the final ball is sublime. He's got a bite from his time in England too.
As I've said before its about style rather than quality. Barcelona could have found loads of wide players better than pedro over the last few years. He isn't a special player. But he suited their system to the tee.
That's the thing, I'm not saying Cesc is rubbish just that he doesn't work into Barcelona's system any longer. Even with the NT, he often looks out of place and if Del Bosque finds strikers who can find the back of the net, not sure how he displaces anyone in the XI.
Plus, if Thiago starts for Bayern, perhaps not at the WC but going forward Fabregas must wonder if he'll be usurped by Isco & Thiago for Spain
This is a spot on post, Fabregas is technically inferior and it is a fact. Doesn't make him an awful player, even someone like Schweinsteiger would struggle in Barcelona's midfield. They require players with a very fluid and effortless technique, and very quick decision-makers too... Fabregas is a touch slow when compared to Xavi and Iniesta and it is very obvious. You only need to look at the many highlight reels of him in a Barca shirt to see that is very much evident.
Such a criticism has no bearing on whether or not he'd be a success at United because we're a different team tactically and he'd look incredibly skilled in our midfield. Play him in a deeper position and he looks tremendous because he can play the game at his own pace.
Weekend breakDunno if this was said yesterday but the Times say Woodward has flown to Spain
huh?Tell John Terry that.
Has Fabregas spoken or confirmed a desire to stay at Barca since we confirmed the bid?
i doubt there is any new coach coming in to tell him he will get games in front of whats there already. his situation wont change I thinkThe coach getting sick again ruined this I think. Cesc will want to wait who is the new coach surely.
bit like Rooney yeah. but like Rooney if he was sure he was staying I think we would have heard from him. And like Jose and Chelsea we wouldnt have bid and made it public were we not encouraged to do so by his people.I don't think so but players tend not to say anything either way. The most telling thing is we've not had a response yet from our first bid.
The coach getting sick again ruined this I think. Cesc will want to wait who is the new coach surely.
I'm sure that if he likes barca as a club, this represents a reason to rethink...i doubt there is any new coach coming in to tell him he will get games in front of whats there already. his situation wont change I think
not sure what you mean. its been obvious for years he's loved Barcelona as a club. thats why he went there. but this is world cup year. and he wants to play. and if he doesnt get picked in the club team first choice then he has little chance of it during the WC. so his situation remains the same no matter who comes in. lots of people have left united for regular football despite loving the club.I'm sure that if he likes barca as a club, this represents a reason to rethink...
Barca decide who comes and goes not the coach. This isn't England.
I do want to whip em out and compare if Pep's system is going to astonishingly be described as flawed by a Gooner. In this era and with this 'flawed' system, no one has won more trophies. No one.
He's saying Barca's choice of coach could affect Fabregas' decision. Not that whatever coach might come in will have a say on Fabregas' future.
Wow, I leave th thread for 12 hours and suddenly Fabregas is shit. Have I missed something?
You must admit that if this was the case then we are in deep trouble. It's easy to understand that we can't do business if we don't have any seller or attractive objects but we make meaningless noiseses without any purpose.I wonder if United went public with this to take the heat off the Rooney situation? It has worked, if that was their intention.
You must admit that if this was the case then we are in deep trouble. It's easy to understand that we can't do business if we don't have any seller or attractive objects but we make meaningless noiseses without any purpose.
Moyes talks about hard work behind the scenes. Woodward collecting flying points. We mention our interest in Fabregas. We're waiting. Waiting. Nobody seems to know our intentions.
Right now it's better that Moyes and Woddy keep silence until we have done some serious business, otherwise we look totally clueless.
You must admit that if this was the case then we are in deep trouble. It's easy to understand that we can't do business if we don't have any seller or attractive objects but we make meaningless noiseses without any purpose.
Moyes talks about hard work behind the scenes. Woodward collecting flying points. We mention our interest in Fabregas. We're waiting. Waiting. Nobody seems to know our intentions.
Right now it's better that Moyes and Woddy keep silence until we have done some serious business, otherwise we look totally clueless.
Transfer market is similar to dating a hot birds. Show attraction and you will see magic. United is one of the biggest and most famous clubs in the world. When we show our interest in a player it will count, you can bet on that.
I have no idea of our approach against Thiago but our totally public silence didn't exactly helped the case. It would be intersting to see the reactions if we in public had shown our interest. Sometimes we need to adjust our strategy if it not working with silenze stampa.
You must admit that if this was the case then we are in deep trouble. It's easy to understand that we can't do business if we don't have any seller or attractive objects but we make meaningless noiseses without any purpose.
Moyes talks about hard work behind the scenes. Woodward collecting flying points. We mention our interest in Fabregas. We're waiting. Waiting. Nobody seems to know our intentions.
Right now it's better that Moyes and Woddy keep silence until we have done some serious business, otherwise we look totally clueless.