Fabregas
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
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That's some great detective work.
Just sign Fellaini and get it over with, we all know it's going to happen. If this transfer doesn't come off I don't understand why we'd announce the bid, reveal Woodward is on his way home and then Moyes to talk about it in his latest presser, serious questions need to be asked about our pr team at the moment it's a fecking shambles.
I doubt Tito with his cancer returning, would have trolling Manchester United at the top of his list of priorities.
Why?
I wanna give you a benefit of the doubt, I really do. You sound calm and try to reason, rather than hurling abuse around. But all things considered, you're either a very smart troll or a hopeless moron who loves to sniff things out of nothing. I can't keep rebutting your ridiculous notions and defending our very move for nothing.
You do your best but you miss the vital part. Our bid was public on Monday. Nice try but next time try harder and do it better.
Apart from an overly physical presence in the box and around the pitch, I don't see Fellaini adding much improvement to this current Utd squad. You need a player like Cabaye, Cesc, Cazorla to orchestrate and control the tempo of your game.
It's pretty hilarious how hard you're trying to push for an argument. I just had a whole 2 paragraphs written out but i can't be arsed to be honest pal. I'll leave you to misinterpret things on your own.
Dealing with what? Febregas? Get Real.
Do you hear yourself talk or is it incoherent babble to you too?
Who though? Modric?
I'm not pushing hard for an argument at all. You've repeatedly cited Fabregas not pushing for a move as a reason why you don't think it'll happen. I was just pointing out that most of the times this doesn't happen, or at least we're never publicly aware of it. What have I said what' wrong there? You HAVE consistently said it likely won't happen because he's not pushing for it. That kind of is like suggesting not pushing for a transfer is usually an indication it isn't happening. But only by the small technicality of the words you've used, I guess.
You can't say something, deny you've said it and then claim someone is 'looking for an argument' for essentially repeating your own point back to you.
EIther you think not asking for a transfer is a factor or you don't. You can't say 'it is' and then say 'I never said it was'
It's OK to come with counter argument or just disagree. I think many of us are to emotional when we see opinions we don't like. But thanks for your concerns. I'm used to be wrong many times in my life ;-)
Sorry, sarcastic comment didn't translate well on forum!
Ah! You need to use white text
Don't see why tito's resignation would have any impact. At the Spanish clubs the presidents seem to have a huge say and if they feel they wAnt to recover some cash they've spent on purchases then it will happen.
It would be very bad football business to sell a player without a new manager. At the end of the day it's a football club.
What decade are you living in?
Week one: Let's sell Thiago
Week two: Our manager is departing
Week three: And by the way....We're selling Fabregas. Deal with it.
That's good football business there ain't it?
And then there's this bit from where i was replying to 7even saying 'the wind doesn't appear to be blowing our way'.
That's my response to why he doesn't feel the situation is swinging in our favour.
I've just scanned back through my posts in this thread because i hardly remember 'repeatedly' citing 'Fabregas not pushing for a move as a reason why you don't think it'll happen'. I can't find any where i've even remotely suggested it being even a main reason it won't happen.
Still, you need to look at the context in which my comment was made. At no point in the conversation you originally quoted me on did i ever state the reason i didn't think this would go through was because Fabregas wasn't pushing for it.
I've gone one better and put the entire thing in context:
Your entire beef with me is based upon it as a reason for us not signing him.
When i was actually responding to 7'i love football from a PR perspective'even's view that the 'wind isn't blowing in our favour'. If 'wind isn't blowing in our favour' means 'WERE NOT GOING TO SIGN HIM ARE WE' then you're 100% right.
As it is, you've misinterpreted me to try and cause a fuss and just blatantly put words in my mouth by quoting me and then stating i said something which i didn't. In fact, if you search the forum for 'Fabregas pushing move' the only posts that i've written which come up are the ones i've already quoted. But i can see that you're currently 'searching' so you'll know that yourself.
Doesn't matter, it happened.
Tito resigning complicates this transfer a lot, specially if they're getting a manager from outside.
I agree with you, they'll be less likely to consider letting Fabregas go now. It's the same reason I know Moyes won't be letting Rooney go if he can possibly avoid it - because when a new man comes in, the best thing to do is steady the ship for a season.
Not necessarily. Guardiola started his Barca tenure by getting rid of half of the squad, including Deco and Ronaldinho. It all depends on the situation.
He got rid of ageing deadwood rather than multi-million pound stars who are in the prime of their careers.
If the club has already sounded the player out and he wants to come, and we've been negotiating with Barca, then this doesn't change a great deal. If anything, it just makes it more of a saga as United will have to step back a little. Annoyingly, I doubt we'll hear anything for at least a week now.
Guardiola was already at the club and knew a good few months in advance about his appointment. As such he had insight into the players and had time to plan for the job.
This is an unplanned appointment.
Sorry, but Cesc is marginal when it comes to the first team. The only way he plays when everyone is fit is if he's out of position.
Really don't see how Tito's resignation makes our deal less likely. I hope they appoint the assistant, as I don't think that'll be attractive. Barca are in real flux.
He wasn't really a 'new man' in the way that Moyes is, though. But then I guess your point still stands, since if someone is promoted from within as per Barca's current model, they won't exactly be a 'new man' either.
Ronaldinho was a 28-year-old superstar when Guardiola took over in 2008, Ballon d'Or winner in 2006, he accomplished far more at Barcelona than Fábregas. In hindsight - looking at his time at Milan - it's easy to say he was past his best but even in his last Barcelona season when he was struggling with injuries he had 8 goals and 7 assists in 17 league games.
Don't forget that in Barcelona Fábregas is viewed as underperforming; his form since his transfer has been disappointing, at least relative to the expectations. I said many times I don't think we'll sign him but not because a new manager wants to "steady the ship" and thus keep him.
Those injuries were the start of the downward spiral no? Him leaving was one of the best decisions of Guardiola's reign wasn't it? Age is arbitrary, he was deadwood to Barcelona to ensure the Guardiola plan went ahead.
The situations are vastly different. It'll be more interesting to see which direction they go with in regards to the new manager. Fabregas won't be coming now, i'm sure of that but I wonder if he'll remain as their utility man or if he'll get a chance to be the player he was at Arsenal.
So, the manager leaving makes the plot even more intriguing.
Have we been given massive encouragement from Barcelona and Fab to push through this deal, or have Moyes and Woodward got way too excited and made us look like utter mugs by going so bizarrely public?
Is it similar to last year where we had word from VP's camp that he really wanted to come? Or is this pure misunderstanding?
Wish I knew!
Have we been given massive encouragement from Barcelona and Fab to push through this deal, or have Moyes and Woodward got way too excited and made us look like utter mugs by going so bizarrely public?
Is it similar to last year where we had word from VP's camp that he really wanted to come? Or is this pure misunderstanding?
Wish I knew!
Buy this man a beer!
We definitely need a crafty midfielder like Cesc, but I wouldn't object to bringing in Fellaini too so long as it's not an expensive buy. He brings in a bit of muscle in the box, which we're going to need from time to time especially late in games and we're looking for a match-winner off long balls.
Fabregas to serve as Master Po to Cleverley's Grasshopper and Fellaini to replace the woeful Ando. For good measure, Bale to replace Nani. That should do it.
Merely evidence you haven't been watching much or haven't really paid attention. Fabregas has been played in a variety of positions. Once it was clear he was getting lost in midfield, Pep started moving him forward because he couldn't play from deep. Constantly dispossessed or missing the pass, a liability. The only why he played as much as he did was because he was able to score goals and could link up well with Leo. His best games for Barcelona are when he's been played as a forward or support striker.
He will never own the Guardiola position on the pitch - it was lost in London, poof
I don't think he could ever just lose that, it wasn't a fluke.
He maybe doesn't play in that position the way the system at Barcelona requires him to, but I think he could slot back into midfield for clubs not playing tiki-taka, and who don't value possession so much, quite easily. In the Messi, Xavi, Iniesta era, Barcelona's midfield was never going to be shaped to suit Cesc's best qualities, which is probably what he needs.
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