A 16 year old fresh out of that club's academy that they've put years into developing into the player who is then poached?
Fabregas wants to go to Barcelona
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A 16 year old fresh out of that club's academy that they've put years into developing into the player who is then poached?
That 16-year would have had parents, I assume. Where was their guidance?
And it is not as if Barca couldn't have promised him first team football?
I don't know what Fabregas thinks, all I know that he has a contract with Arsenal, i.e. he is Arsenal's player.
I agree. Especially the bolded bit
Doesn't matter, any player that a club loses against their will.
Clubs lose player they've developed all the time.
Barcelona are bigger and superior club to Arsenal, it then stands to reason he'd have to be better to get into their first team, which he very probably would've done over time. I don't see how you can hold that against them in this instance.
They, like us, would obviously have a time frame for each of their academy players to come into fruition for their 1st team squad, Arsenal came in and completely fecked that and even though it was legally OK, there was clear moral outrage from Barcelona at the time for what they saw as a completely underhanded practice. Now it's Arsenal's turn to be on the end of what they see as completely immoral behaviour, and they don't like it.
Those may be the cold, hard facts, but in reality, there will be a lot of emotion and negative undercurrent to this whole saga.
Barcelona will feel sick if they have to pay top dollar for their own player, and rightfully so.
As soon as Arsenal took Fabregas against Barcelona's will, all fair-minded or conscionable scruples went out the window.
Huge football clubs getting on their moral high horses? Don't make me fecking laugh.
Barca will not pay top dollar for their own player, they will have to pay top dollar for an Arsenal player.
It's Arsenal on the moral high horse... as they are the ones complaining.
Their own player?
I mean, seriously?
He is NOT their player. He is an ARSENAL player.
And they have absolutely no right to not pay top dollar for a top player.
As long as Barca have don nothing illegal, they have nothing to complain about.
What I find embarassing on Barca's part, and the typical Spanish tactic, is the way they use the media in getting to their transfer targets.
But Barca can't get on their moral high horse about Fabregas fecking off to Arsenal. Barca has lost players against the club's will, and they have acquired players against other club's will. That's football for you.
Interesting viewpoint...
It is football. I agree, but it goes both ways, and the gloves were always going to come off when it came to the re-acquisition of a player Barcelona deem theirs in the first place, which is why I don't see where the moral outrage comes from in favour of Arsenal in this saga.
To be fair, they're not. It's Arsenal who are trying to take the moral high ground, not Barca.
All Barca are doing is using slightly underhand tactics to get him back. In the same way that Arsenal used slightly underhand tactics to sign him in the first place. The only club complaining is Arsenal.
Unusually enough for the internet, I'm finding myself won over by someone else's argument. Fortitude has a point.
If Barca deem Fabregas to be their player, they are a bunch of muppets.
I was referring to Fortitude's argument about Barca being morally fecked over.
Don't know if Arsenal used underhand tactics to sign Fabregas.
What I am saying is that Fabregas is Arsenal's player, Arsenal holds all the cars, and if Barca claim any moral ownership of Fabregas, they are on planet Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
I love you, too, Pogue.
I think some people need to understand that sometimes no means no and no price is sufficent. Arsenal have maintained that stance. I think some people need to grasp that very very VERY simple concept. Fabregas is on a long contract. Arsenal don't want to sell. End of story. To make even more simple for simple, there is no asking price.
Making him wear a Barcelona shirt when he's an Arsenal player, and having practically the whole squad come out individually saying he's a Barcelona player and that he wants to leave is more than slightly underhand tactics. This coupled with reportedly tabling a very small bid.
It's not really comparable to Wenger offering him a contract and Fabregas taking it.
You're right. It's not really comparable.
Seeing as Barca will have to meet Arsenal's price if/when they do sign Fabregas I agree it's not really comparable with snapping up the cream of their academy without paying a penny in compensation
Barcelona have never taken a player against the will of the player's previous club. FACHT
I know you're keen to uphold your status as resident moron-in-chief but can't you at least try to keep up with the discussion?
Basically some of you somehow think that because Arsenal signed Fabregas 7 years ago against the will of Barca, it entitles them to engage whatever underhand tactics they want to lower the price they have to pay for Fabregas whilst claiming the moral highground.
Barca haven't claimed anything. They are doing their 'business' as they see fit whilst Arsenal complain about it.
They can wave their moral panties as much as they like if they haven't got £60M they can feck off.
Business doesn't involve this embarrassing campaign they've been running.
Arsenal didn't do anything wrong by signing Fabregas. And Barcelona wouldn't be doing anything wrong by signing Fabregas either. But the latter are doing in such a pathetic way. Disgraceful stuff really.
"Moral panties" 
Not to be difficult but I made the same point ages ago. But it's entirely rational for Barcelona to feel a) aggrieved about paying Arsenal millions for essentially exploiting a legal (but morally dubious) loophole and b) use equally dubious methods to reduce that payment.
pete is pretty much correct. Barcelona will sign him sooner or later but using the fact that Arsenal stole him as a kid doesnt really make it right to try and get him at a cut price. Neither does it make it right that clubs can sign kids the age of 16 on pro contracts ignoring the club who developed them but it goes on and until it is made illegal will go on.
United have Macheda, Arsenal 100s, Liverpool Pachucho and the list goes on.
Fabregas has so far managed to show a great deal of character but i think he's going to crumble and hand in a request or at least tell Wenger straight up that he wants to leave. I'm not sure how it'll pan out, i wouldnt put it beyond this season but if not this season then next season he'll certainly be back at Barcelona. He wants to go and the club want to sign him, just like Ronaldo it can only go on so long until everyone gets sick of it.
Like Fergie "wouldnt sell that mob a virus" to then sell him as soon as the price was right. It'll be the same for Wenger and Arsenal.
United have Macheda, Arsenal 100s, Liverpool Pachucho and the list goes on.
Fabregas has so far managed to show a great deal of character but i think he's going to crumble and hand in a request or at least tell Wenger straight up that he wants to leave. I'm not sure how it'll pan out, i wouldnt put it beyond this season but if not this season then next season he'll certainly be back at Barcelona. He wants to go and the club want to sign him, just like Ronaldo it can only go on so long until everyone gets sick of it.
Like Fergie "wouldnt sell that mob a virus" to then sell him as soon as the price was right. It'll be the same for Wenger and Arsenal.
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Phil Bardsley? Help us go up a level?! WTF?!?
Those Bardsley quotes are news to be me but very amusing in the context of all this righteous indignation over Barca, if true.
never had you down as gullable. If they are true i'll never post regarding Lionel Messi again. Ok i can't promise that but really the chances of that being true are so low i can't help but laugh.But the point does stand, IF United produced a player who turned out like Fabregas they'd be fecking raging about him not playing for United. Anyone in that position would feel that.
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But the point does stand, IF United produced a player who turned out like Fabregas they'd be fecking raging about him not playing for United. Anyone in that position would feel that.
at the first bit.It hasn't happened and I have no reason to believe my club would behave the way Barca have. If they do then I'll be terribly embarrassed and disappointed. Go ahead, make a comment or two, let the player know you really want him at your club, but for gods sake this has been pathetic from the 'more than a club' club which clearly isn't.
That is obviously true but it's equally true that it's hypocritical of Arsenal to complain about Barcelona's tactics.
'but Neville, skipper at the Nou Camp'
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made me laugh tho...
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made me laugh tho...