Fabregas wants to go to Barcelona

charleysurf said:
There were just the same kind of stories during the Ronaldo saga, but it would be a clear case of tapping up if such a contract was uncovered. It's quite unlikely.
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I'd say it is very likely. Do you relly believe that Real's first offer for Ronaldo was the first contact they made with him? I doubt it, when we received Real's order, Ronaldo's personal terms with them were a done deal.

Neither the player nor the club will mention pre-contract because both would risk FIFA penalties so I don't see the risk for them.

After what Wenger has done for him, Cesc is behaving like a proper prick.
 
dann496 said:
Why that I am under the impression that Barcelona is even worse than Real Madrid when it comes to taping up players.
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They tap them.. though Taping them isn't beyond them.. kinky catalans.
 
Lailiani said:
I'd say it is very likely. Do you relly believe that Real's first offer for Ronaldo was the first contact they made with him? I doubt it, when we received Real's order, Ronaldo's personal terms with them were a done deal.

Neither the player nor the club will mention pre-contract because both would risk FIFA penalties so I don't see the risk for them.

After what Wenger has done for him, Cesc is behaving like a proper prick.
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Completely agree. The similarities between this and the Ronaldo saga are undeniable.

Mind you, I could be wrong but I don't remember you ever calling Ronaldo a prick. Why is that?
 
It makes no sense to start a transfer saga without having basic agreement over the T&Cs. All you get then is an embarrassing feck up such as the 'Vieira to Real' saga when he pulled out when it became apparent that Real weren't going to pay him galactico wages.
 
It's all Madrids fault, it's all Barcelonas fault. Whilst i think Madrid acted shockingly top to bottom, coming out with how they had already signed him and a deal was agreed with United etc etc all the while it never was. Barcelona as far as the club is concerned have acted normally in these circumstances, Guardiola has said very little and the President has said very little. The players, noteably his spanish team mates have all had something to say.

I do enjoy how posters are villifying Barcelona more than Madrid though, despite it being Madrid who took their best player, Beckham and RVN, oh and Hienze but you would have been glad of that.

It's wierd, now Barcelona are number 1 bad club due to their players whilst Madrid, a club with history with United arent looking so bad. To think United fans will be rooting for Madrid in la liga this season due to protestations over a Arsenal player gives me a giggle.
 
peterstorey said:
It makes no sense to start a transfer saga without having basic agreement over the T&Cs. All you get then is an embarrassing feck up such as the 'Vieira to Real' saga when he pulled out when it became apparent that Real weren't going to pay him galactico wages.
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It's a fairly common thing. It's like a manager coming out and saying "we've agreed a deal in principal" which could mean terms are agreed with the club or the player.

All these allegations of tapping up are just daft
 
FranklyVulgar said:
It's all Madrids fault, it's all Barcelonas fault. Whilst i think Madrid acted shockingly top to bottom, coming out with how they had already signed him and a deal was agreed with United etc etc all the while it never was. Barcelona as far as the club is concerned have acted normally in these circumstances, Guardiola has said very little and the President has said very little. The players, noteably his spanish team mates have all had something to say.

I do enjoy how posters are villifying Barcelona more than Madrid though, despite it being Madrid who took their best player, Beckham and RVN, oh and Hienze but you would have been glad of that.

It's wierd, now Barcelona are number 1 bad club due to their players whilst Madrid, a club with history with United arent looking so bad. To think United fans will be rooting for Madrid in la liga this season due to protestations over a Arsenal player gives me a giggle.
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Oh give it a rest ffs. You're turning yourself into a laughing stock with your weird inability to say anything negative about Barca.

This saga is panning out exactly like the Ronaldo deal. Either both clubs have behaved badly, or neither have. Personally, I tend to think the way fans blame Barca/Madrid for their best players wanting to leave gets a bit over the top but it's definitely irritating and disrespectful and both Barca and Madrid are as guilty as each other.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh give it a rest ffs. You're turning yourself into a laughing stock with your weird inability to say anything negative about Barca.

This saga is panning out exactly like the Ronaldo deal. Either both clubs have behaved badly, or neither have. Personally, I tend to think the way fans blame Barca/Madrid for their best players wanting to leave gets a bit over the top but it's definitely irritating and disrespectful and both Barca and Madrid are as guilty as each other.
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Why give it a rest? i'm not wrong, i think the players have acted stupidly but i expect it from footballers, they are a stupid bunch. Guardiola has hardly said a thing and Rosell has stated facts. Calderon was coming out with all sorts, done deals, agreements with United over when they would get him etc etc

I can easily say negative things about Barcelona, i just prefer them to be justified than jump on the bandwagon of bitter fans.

Personally i hope Fabregas stays another season and i fully expect him to. Wenger/Arsenal will want the money he is worth and with his contract as it is they are more than entitled to it. It'll also give them time to find a replacement. Ideally they will get £40-£50million and Wenger will be able to do what Inter Milan did when they sold their main asset, rebuild and make the whole team stronger rather than have one outstanding individual.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Why give it a rest? i'm not wrong, i think the players have acted stupidly but i expect it from footballers, they are a stupid bunch. Guardiola has hardly said a thing and Rosell has stated facts. Calderon was coming out with all sorts, done deals, agreements with United over when they would get him etc etc

I can easily say negative things about Barcelona, i just prefer them to be justified than jump on the bandwagon of bitter fans.

Personally i hope Fabregas stays another season and i fully expect him to. Wenger/Arsenal will want the money he is worth and with his contract as it is they are more than entitled to it. It'll also give them time to find a replacement. Ideally they will get £40-£50million and Wenger will be able to do what Inter Milan did when they sold their main asset, rebuild and make the whole team stronger rather than have one outstanding individual.
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Couldn't give a feck about Arsenal to be honest but if you don't think Barca (players and management alike) have behaved badly throughout this saga then you're out of your tiny mind.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
It's a fairly common thing. It's like a manager coming out and saying "we've agreed a deal in principal" which could mean terms are agreed with the club or the player.

All these allegations of tapping up are just daft
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Well there's a distinction between doing what we (and everybody else) do, which is agree terms in principle with the player and orchestrating a media campaign with everyone from the President to the bog cleaner in print on how 'our boy' is coming home. Mind you most of this stuff comes from El Mundo Deportivo which has lower journalistic standards than the caf.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Couldn't give a feck about Arsenal to be honest but if you don't think Barca (players and management alike) have behaved badly throughout this saga then you're out of your tiny mind.
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I have lost respect for players but i have seen nothing from Guardiola to lose respect for him and nothing from the new President, i thought Laporta was a bit of a cock but i haven't heard anything from Rossell, he has said simply that they want to sign him, they've had an offer turned down and he wants to meet with Wenger/Arsenal to discuss the move. Someone call the police...

It's also slightly hypocritical from United fans in my tiny minded opinion or fans of any big club who often have a policy of announcing who they are looking at, who they aim to sign and how much they will pay etc etc. Which is really no different from what Barcelonas management has done.

Being a bigger transfer than most it has blown up with any comment or detail making news.

Is it as bad as the Ronaldo saga? not in my opinion, at least not until the President of FIFA comes out with "Fabregas is a slave!"
 
Canuckred64 said:
Sign somebody to a contract before you reach transfer terms with his club. Sounds like taping up if true.
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Yeah but we did it with Berbatov. We even took him to our site without permission. But it seems all is forgiven once you offer lots of money. And Barcelona may do the same.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Or ridiculous.

You're making a rise through the spastic ranks on here. What Barcelona are doing is ridiculous and at least on par with what Madrid did regarding Ronaldo, if not worse.
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So Xavi, an international team mate making a comment like "Arsenal only have him on loan, he will be Barcelona player" is worse than the feckin President of FIFA campagning for United to sell Ronaldo because him not being allowed to move makes him "a slave".

You've all gone mad.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
So Xavi, an international team mate making a comment like "Arsenal only have him on loan, he will be Barcelona player" is worse than the feckin President of FIFA campagning for United to sell Ronaldo because him not being allowed to move makes him "a slave".

You've all gone mad.
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The president of FIFA isn't an agent of Real Madrid though (despite what some of the conspiracy theorists may think).

At the time of the deal and in the year before the Madrid players were doing the usual "yeah it'd be great to play with Ronaldo" press bollocks, which is boilerplate if you're trying to unsettle a player and make a sale. Not that that makes it right mind you.

As opposed to Barca, who apart from the usual trying to unsettle the player bollocks have had their vice captain telling Arsenal that their captain and best player already belongs to his team, regardless of how they feel. Which is just as bad if not worse.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Why give it a rest? i'm not wrong, i think the players have acted stupidly but i expect it from footballers, they are a stupid bunch. Guardiola has hardly said a thing and Rosell has stated facts. Calderon was coming out with all sorts, done deals, agreements with United over when they would get him etc etc

I can easily say negative things about Barcelona, i just prefer them to be justified than jump on the bandwagon of bitter fans.

Personally i hope Fabregas stays another season and i fully expect him to. Wenger/Arsenal will want the money he is worth and with his contract as it is they are more than entitled to it. It'll also give them time to find a replacement. Ideally they will get £40-£50million and Wenger will be able to do what Inter Milan did when they sold their main asset, rebuild and make the whole team stronger rather than have one outstanding individual.
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So what exactly are we suppose to be bitter about?? Despite the fact we've done everything Barcelona has... except better.
If you don't think the bullshit the players are sprouting is coming from the head honcho's are Barcelona then you need your head checked.
 
marchi-91 said:
So what exactly are we suppose to be bitter about?? Despite the fact we've done everything Barcelona has... except better.
If you don't think the bullshit the players are sprouting is coming from the head honcho's are Barcelona then you need your head checked.
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Basically you are speculatiing as much as I or anything about the origins of all the talk.

it can come from 3 places, 1. the club/management/board 2. the players 3. Fabregas

or all of the above. To say it is certainly one way or the other isnt on because you can't seriously know it either way. You are assuming the Barca "head honcho's" are telling everyone what to say. maybe they are! but i dont think everything a player says comes directly from his club, i reckon these are the players opinions.


Not sure what you're on about there... the bold that is.
 
marchi-91 said:
So what exactly are we suppose to be bitter about?? Despite the fact we've done everything Barcelona has... except better.
If you don't think the bullshit the players are sprouting is coming from the head honcho's are Barcelona then you need your head checked.
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What have you done better then Barcelona?
 
Puyol is Upset with Wenger

ARSENE WENGER was told last night: You are keeping Cesc Fabregas against his will.

Barcelona skipper Carles Puyol declared: "He is having to stay at a club where he no longer wants to be for another year.

"I wonder how intelligent it is keeping a player who doesn't want to be there.

"After seven years of great service, I thought Arsenal could have granted him his dream move."

Puyol accepts his fellow Spanish World Cup star will remain at the Emirates for another 12 months.

But the Gunners will view these latest controversial comments as another shameless attempt by Barca to try to destabilise the situation and hasten Fabregas' departure for the Nou Camp.

Fabregas, who has been on holiday in Ibiza, is due to meet boss Wenger next week, report for the team photo and then start his pre-season.

Yet Puyol added: "Cesc has given everything to Arsenal to try to win a trophy but they haven't matched his expectations.

"I won't say he is in a prison, as we know how privileged we are as football players.

"But after how clear Cesc made it that he wanted to be in Barcelona, I thought they would have granted him that."

Wenger, whose team face AC Milan in the Emirates Cup tomorrow, has insisted this week that Fabregas is staying - despite the 'noises' coming from Spain.

Even so, Puyol, who forced Fabregas to wear a Barcelona shirt during Spain's World Cup celebrations, insisted: "We all thought a deal would be done this summer.

"But Arsenal have refused to talk and we are going to have to wait another year to get Cesc home.

"He is far too classy a guy to say it but the truth is he doesn't want to be at Arsenal this season. His heart is already in Barcelona, even though we must wait another year for his body to be here.

"We know he is arriving next season. Barcelona have a whole year to sort the deal out.



"He is professional enough still to have a great season and also because he has a lot of respect for the Arsenal fans.

"But anybody who tries to convince themselves he wanted to stay at Arsenal is wrong."

Puyol's fellow Barca centre-back Gerard Pique, who has been holidaying with Fabregas, said: "I know Cesc wants to win titles with Barca and I want him here this summer.

"I understand why Arsenal reject the sale. Cesc is a very difficult player to replace.

"But I do not feel a club should keep a footballer who wants to leave. Especially in this case, where Cesc has done everything for Arsenal."

Read more: Puyol: It’s clear Cesc wants to go | The Sun |Sport|Football
 
Barcelona are cnuts, I have no doubt if they put forward a good bid, Arsenal would sell him, 45-50+ million, but 30 or whatever is disgraceful
 
If they want him - pony up the cash like Madrid did for Ronaldo.

Like LeBron when he goes to Barca and no matter how many trophies he wins with a great Barca team - he'll be remembered as a player that wasn't able to lead his own team to victory.

Fair enough - I don't think anything wrong with that.

But, he signed a contract and Barca want him bad, pay for him to break out of his contract.
 
Shimo said:
If they want him - pony up the cash like Madrid did for Ronaldo.

Like LeBron when he goes to Barca and no matter how many trophies he wins with a great Barca team - he'll be remembered as a player that wasn't able to lead his own team to victory.

Fair enough - I don't think anything wrong with that.

But, he signed a contract and Barca want him bad, pay for him to break out of his contract.
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how is he going to lead his team to victory with players like Denilson, Diaby, Almunia, Walcott etc? These gash players in every sense of the word, just like Lebron, you can't save everybody.

Wenger shows no ambition, Fabregas knows he's going to win feck all playing at a club like Arsenal. He can stay at the Emirettes playing with lads like Denilson or he can go to Barca and become a great.
 
Boss said:
how is he going to lead his team to victory with players like Denilson, Diaby, Almunia, Walcott etc? These gash players in every sense of the word, just like Lebron, you can't save everybody.

Wenger shows no ambition, Fabregas knows he's going to win feck all playing at a club like Arsenal. He can stay at the Emirettes playing with lads like Denilson or he can go to Barca and become a great.
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Wenger is a fool for not investing sure but But, Fabregas will never be a great - he'll be the player that walked into a team that is already winning comfortably without him and get defacto medals. If that's how he want to get his trophies - fair enough.

Unless Barca has a serious case of losing most of their current team and Fabregas then helps lead them to trophies, then he can known as a great. He couldn't even get in front of their current midfield of Biscuits, Xavi and Iniesta but, for some appearances for Spain - so what's he going to do there but, ride the bench and pick up a few odd games and then a medal on other people's work.

At least he is honest and saying he is going there for the trophies.
 
Barca should just shut up and remain calm unless they make a huge bid. Their strategy so far to get the player on the cheap is a disgrace
 
Barca and Madrid shouldn't really openly court players through the press but the reality is that this shit happens all the time in every league. Look at Rafa's ultimately unsuccessful public pursuit of Barry, or Utd's of Berbatov.

Tapping up goes on everywhere, the two Spanish clubs just seem more open about it, that's all.
 
Sam.G said:
Barca and Madrid shouldn't really openly court players through the press but the reality is that this shit happens all the time in every league. Look at Rafa's ultimately unsuccessful public pursuit of Barry, or Utd's of Berbatov.

Tapping up goes on everywhere, the two Spanish clubs just seem more open about it, that's all.
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Exactly. Spanish clubs use their pet newspapers. English clubs are slightly more subtle but the end result is exactly the same.
 
that puyol interview is shocking, genuinely shocking

throughout this saga i've wanted Arsenal to dig their heels in and hold on to him for another season, just to show they wont be bullied by these wankers

now though i'm thinking just let the little cnut go and move on, this whole affair is beneath them. Cesc has clearly had plenty to say off the record to anyone that wants to listen and is for me every bit as responsible for all this furore as his future teammates are. let him feck off and warm their bench for them if thats what he wants. Arsenal are bigger than this (though they're still cnuts too obviously)
 
I personally can't imagine the reaction around here if a player was desperate to sign for United yet his club and manager were having none of it. I think if the shoe was on the other foot it would be Arsenal being called all the names under the sun.

As it is though talk is pointless. Puyol and co can talk all they like but it changes nothing. What have we learned? that Arsenal wont sell him even though he told them he wants to go. They have priced Barcelona out of a move for him but even if a Madrid or City came in with a bigger offer Cesc will only go to Barcelona.

If Barcelona offer the £40M or so it would surely benifit Arsenal to take it. It could work out like it did for Inter Milan where selling their star asset allowed them to strengthen the whole side and compete in europe.

The talk just wont stop though, even classy fabregas has made a few noises about it...
 
FranklyVulgar said:
I personally can't imagine the reaction around here if a player was desperate to sign for United yet his club and manager were having none of it. I think if the shoe was on the other foot it would be Arsenal being called all the names under the sun.

As it is though talk is pointless. Puyol and co can talk all they like but it changes nothing. What have we learned? that Arsenal wont sell him even though he told them he wants to go. They have priced Barcelona out of a move for him but even if a Madrid or City came in with a bigger offer Cesc will only go to Barcelona.

If Barcelona offer the £40M or so it would surely benifit Arsenal to take it. It could work out like it did for Inter Milan where selling their star asset allowed them to strengthen the whole side and compete in europe.

The talk just wont stop though, even classy fabregas has made a few noises about it...
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Owen Hargreaves. There's a lot of threads on him if you want to dig them up. The consensus was slight embarrassment at the club indulging in blatant tapping up.
 
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