Fabregas to Barcelona!

I don't understand all this agreement that Fabregas is worth £50m or the third best CM. He hasn't managed to take Arsenal to one trophy in six years, can't get in the Spain side, and has been frequently injured.

For large parts of the season, he wasn't even Arsenal's best player.

If he was so good, surely there would be more tangible proof?

Ronaldo was quite obviously one of the most productive players in the world when he moved at a club which was winning major trophies. The comparison is simply not valid.

If Cesc wants to move there, he should man up a little more, certainly taking offence won't get him anywhere. He needs Barca more than they need him.
 
Wish he'd just go now, this every year is becoming bloody boring. Every man and their dog knows he wants to go.

Barca should just stump the cash and get it done ffs.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
I don't understand all this agreement that Fabregas is worth £50m or the third best CM. He hasn't managed to take Arsenal to one trophy in six years, can't get in the Spain side, and has been frequently injured.

For large parts of the season, he wasn't even Arsenal's best player.
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1) Arsenal have so many weakness that no single player can cover them all.

2) That is because #1 and #2 best MFs in the world start for them

3) Injuries, lack of motivation possibly



The guy is pure and utter class. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

I wish he was available as I think he could massively bridge the gap between us and Barca...
 
KingMinger22 said:
1) Arsenal have so many weakness that no single player can cover them all.

2) That is because #1 and #2 best MFs in the world start for them

3) Injuries, lack of motivation possibly



The guy is pure and utter class. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

I wish he was available as I think he could massively bridge the gap between us and Barca...
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1) But that is ignoring the point that he wasn't even Arsenal's best player last season. Or even second best at times (Nasri, RVP). Wilshire outshined him easily at the Nou Camp. He's good but the proof is in the pudding and Fabregas hasn't produced anything like enough to be counted in the category people seem to be implying.

2) Alonso got into the team ahead of him.

3) Injuries is partly why he is not worth as much as people think. He is only 23 or something and gets injured a lot already.

He is a good player but if Arsenal wanted a premium price they should have sold him when he was playing well and the club desperately needed him. They didn't and now they either keep an unhappy player or sell for a more modest price.

Real needed Ronaldo a lot more than Barca need Cesc.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
1) But that is ignoring the point that he wasn't even Arsenal's best player last season. Or even second best at times (Nasri, RVP). Wilshire outshined him easily at the Nou Camp. He's good but the proof is in the pudding and Fabregas hasn't produced anything like enough to be counted in the category people seem to be implying.

2) Alonso got into the team ahead of him.

3) Injuries is partly why he is not worth as much as people think. He is only 23 or something and gets injured a lot already.

He is a good player but if Arsenal wanted a premium price they should have sold him when he was playing well and the club desperately needed him. They didn't and now they either keep an unhappy player or sell for a more modest price.
Real needed Ronaldo a lot more than Barca need Cesc.
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I saw on Sky Sports News that he has 60 assists since 06/07, the closest behind him was Young on 44. He's extremely productive, and is a decent goalscorer too.

He was hardly fit last season and you're right in saying that he was a bit underwhelming overall. You can't really argue that in pretty much every year in recent memory Fabregas has been by far and away their best and most consistent player. One injury-plagued season doesn't really change that.

He was carrying an injury when they played Barca.

Alonso plays much deeper than Fabregas does, and offers more defensively. He's nowhere near as good though, Alonso and Busquets both start over Fabregas because it brings more balance to their midfield.

He's the best midfielder not named Xavi or Iniesta for me.
 
Aint gota Kalou said:
He was hardly fit last season and you're right in saying that he was a bit underwhelming overall. You can't really argue that in pretty much every year in recent memory Fabregas has been by far and away their best and most consistent player. One injury-plagued season doesn't really change that.
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Agreed - and despite being unfit and out of form, he got 9 goals and 17 assists overall last season - in only 24 starts!

Other reasons why he's worth more than £35m:

- He's got 4 years left on his contract
- The market is inflated. Doesn't matter why it is inflated - Barcelona can do nothing about it
- He's a key player for Arsenal. Arsenal quite frankly need him
- He's amongst the best in the world for his position - despite his age
- Arsenal have a large cash pool and don't need to sell
- Barcelona are in for Alexis Sánchez, suggesting they do have cash
- He will be very difficult to replace
- Wenger is stubborn

To me, anything south of £45m would be a poor deal in today's market.

Some Barcelona fans on various forums have said that £35m would be a "fair" value. And it would. However, life isn't fair, and neither is the transfer market. If we all sold things at face value, free transfers wouldn't exist!
 
x42bn6 said:
Agreed - and despite being unfit and out of form, he got 9 goals and 17 assists overall last season - in only 24 starts!

Other reasons why he's worth more than £35m:

- He's got 4 years left on his contract
- The market is inflated. Doesn't matter why it is inflated - Barcelona can do nothing about it
- He's a key player for Arsenal. Arsenal quite frankly need him
- He's amongst the best in the world for his position - despite his age
- Arsenal have a large cash pool and don't need to sell
- Barcelona are in for Alexis Sánchez, suggesting they do have cash
- He will be very difficult to replace
- Wenger is stubborn

To me, anything south of £45m would be a poor deal in today's market.

Some Barcelona fans on various forums have said that £35m would be a "fair" value. And it would. However, life isn't fair, and neither is the transfer market. If we all sold things at face value, free transfers wouldn't exist!
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Barca don't need him yet and every year they wait takes £5m off his transfer fee. If I were an Arsenal fan, I'd want to take a deep breath, close my eyes and get it over with. It won't be pleasant and they'll feel dirtied, but they can clean themselves up and move on.
 
Untied said:
Barca don't need him yet and every year they wait takes £5m off his transfer fee. If I were an Arsenal fan, I'd want to take a deep breath, close my eyes and get it over with. It won't be pleasant and they'll feel dirtied, but they can clean themselves up and move on.
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Yes, but then again, he's worth around £45m today (to me, anyway), so "losing" £5m a year is hardly going to hurt. If anything, if he continues to improve, his value might still go up.

Personally, I still think it's possible he'll sign a new contract with Arsenal in 2 years time. He quite clearly still likes Arsenal and respects Wenger.
 
I'd feel disgusted if Barca somehow managed to get him for the same price as we/someone would get Modric or Sneijder.

We didn't let Real walk over us on the Ronaldo deal due to him having plenty of time left on his contract, Arsenal shouldn't either, his value doesn't drop a penny this summer to next unless he has a worst season with injuries, which is entirely possible, but then again it's entirely possible he just has another 15goal20assist like season justifying Arsenals price tag.
 
x42bn6 said:
Agreed - and despite being unfit and out of form, he got 9 goals and 17 assists overall last season - in only 24 starts!

Other reasons why he's worth more than £35m:

- He's got 4 years left on his contract
- The market is inflated. Doesn't matter why it is inflated - Barcelona can do nothing about it
- He's a key player for Arsenal. Arsenal quite frankly need him
- He's amongst the best in the world for his position - despite his age
- Arsenal have a large cash pool and don't need to sell
- Barcelona are in for Alexis Sánchez, suggesting they do have cash
- He will be very difficult to replace
- Wenger is stubborn

To me, anything south of £45m would be a poor deal in today's market.

Some Barcelona fans on various forums have said that £35m would be a "fair" value. And it would. However, life isn't fair, and neither is the transfer market. If we all sold things at face value, free transfers wouldn't exist!
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Given Torres cost 50 mil, I'd put Fabregas at least on a par with that. Barca are just being cnuts
 
Hope he rots on the bench at Barca for 2 years and then comes to us at half the price :drool:
 
Escobar said:
No point in getting a player who wants to only play for one club
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If that one club does'nt rate him enough to put in an acceptable bid, then i believe he would move to win trophies.

What has he got to show for his time in England so far?

If we bid £35m-£40m for him and Barca are not prepared to match it, i think he would rather spend the next couple of seasons winning trophies with us than winning feck all with Arsenal.

He could still go to Barca in a couple of seasons when they need him more. Our youngsters will be ready by then so we in turn will need him less.

Everyone's a winner, except maybe Arsenal....:angel:
 
I know Arsenal would never sell to us, but I'd put in a £40m bid just to see their reaction. I'll never know how Barcelona can afford him and possibly Sanchez as well, they are skint and even have problems servicing their wage bill FFS!
 
x42bn6 said:
Arsenal quite frankly need him
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Not so sure about that. He's certainly a superb player - the people talking him down after one below-par season are just being daft.

But Arsenal have Wilshere, Ramsey and Nasri. They're in a brilliant position really, they've got a coveted player on a long contract but if they sell it won't feck them. Not surprised they're playing it cool when the offer's 35 mil.
 
Plechazunga said:
Not so sure about that. He's certainly a superb player - the people talking him down after one below-par season are just being daft.

But Arsenal have Wilshere, Ramsey and Nasri. They're in a brilliant position really, they've got a coveted player on a long contract but if they sell it won't feck them. Not surprised they're playing it cool when the offer's 35 mil.
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Ramsey has a lot of potential but that's all it is at the moment. He needs experience alongside him to develop. A midfield of Song, Wilshere and Ramsey could be gotten at, IMO. At least at this stage in their careers.
 
Brophs said:
Ramsey has a lot of potential but that's all it is at the moment. He needs experience alongside him to develop. A midfield of Song, Wilshere and Ramsey could be gotten at, IMO. At least at this stage in their careers.
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There's also Nasri (at least for the moment).

Wilshire is amazingly mature and a leader. Ramsay looks the business. Yes the could be got at and there will be games when they don't perform, but it's not nearly as big a loss for them as it would have been a couple of years ago.
 
Brophs said:
Ramsey has a lot of potential but that's all it is at the moment. He needs experience alongside him to develop. A midfield of Song, Wilshere and Ramsey could be gotten at, IMO. At least at this stage in their careers.
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That midfield fecked you over nicely at the Emirates.
 
We also did United over in the middle of the park with Diaby, Denilson and Song... Doesn't mean much really as teams have on/off days. What Brophs says is 100% correct too, that midfield could be gotten at, or they could click like they did against United last time.

Ramsey certainly needs another full pre-season and a lot of competitive games under his belt before we can truly label him a quality player. Though he clearly has the potential to be one, but until he does it consistently then Brophs is once again right - it's potential.
 
Plechazunga said:
Not so sure about that. He's certainly a superb player - the people talking him down after one below-par season are just being daft.

But Arsenal have Wilshere, Ramsey and Nasri. They're in a brilliant position really, they've got a coveted player on a long contract but if they sell it won't feck them. Not surprised they're playing it cool when the offer's 35 mil.
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Regarding Fabregas - He's playing a more advanced role, one which requires him to use a burst of pace more than a deeper position would (to get past players and make runs, etc).

Having hamstring troubles clearly hampers this kind of game, mentally and (obviously) physically. He was playing games at about 70% tempo all season it seemed, and quite frankly he should have been rested and allowed to fully recover...

Rushing such an injury is just ridiculous as there's an incredibly high chance you'll just do it again - and considering his role asks him to sprint from a stand-still position, it's just asking for him to do it again.

Personally I play a lot of sport, and am currently out injured with a hamstring tear which I did 5 weeks ago - and I've been training again for two weeks now but just can't get it right. I'm scared to try and run full-pelt for the fear of doing it again and I can attest to the fact it really does play on your mind when you run - in fact I bet anyone who plays competitive sport and has had to deal with hamstring problems will agree with me here.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
I don't understand all this agreement that Fabregas is worth £50m or the third best CM. He hasn't managed to take Arsenal to one trophy in six years, can't get in the Spain side, and has been frequently injured.

For large parts of the season, he wasn't even Arsenal's best player.

If he was so good, surely there would be more tangible proof?

Ronaldo was quite obviously one of the most productive players in the world when he moved at a club which was winning major trophies. The comparison is simply not valid.

If Cesc wants to move there, he should man up a little more, certainly taking offence won't get him anywhere. He needs Barca more than they need him.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
SteveJ said:
Debt ridden Barcelona cut back on office supplies to land Cesc| Mail Online
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They just don't make stuff-up!

But seriously, why is Barca even interested in buying players? They have got the best team by far and a brilliant academy to complement their supply. They are in debt no doubt, yet they are involved in deals which do not seem necessary at all. Fabregas transfer seems a sentimental one whereas they have young players who are good enough for Spain U21 internationals and can be eased into the first team. They can easily ride out the next couple of years at the least before dipping into the transfer market. A good enough time to alleviate their debt problems without any transfer spendings.
 
Barcelona are being pretty stubborn with their valuation of him. 27million for one of the top midfielders in the world is pretty shabby IMO. He is worth 35-40million and I don't see why Arsenal should have to sell for a discounted price.
 
£27m is a joke really, I'm sure we'd be willing to pay £40m if we had any chance of getting him.
 
Irwin said:
£27m is a joke really, I'm sure we'd be willing to pay £40m if we had any chance of getting him.
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If they will sell us Nasri, they will sell us Fabregas. Arsenal are after big money, simple as that.

We should be willing to pay £40m for him. I personally think he is better individually than Xavi or Iniesta and younger too.

He still won't get into the Barca team though, as what Xavi and Iniesta conjure up as a pair is something very special. Come to us Cesc, help us win the CL from Barca and make them wish they had stumped up an extra £10m!

:devil:
 
Arsenal would do well to hold out for as much as possible. If Barcelona want Fabregas that much they can put their money where their mouth is.
 
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