we should meet Arsenal's asking price if Barca are trying to get him on the cheap - that'll give the Gooners something to think about !
Fabregas to Barcelona!
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Let's put this in perspective, Andy Carroll went for £35m. I personally think Arsenal should be looking for £50m. He's a top, top player. Anyone they get to replace him will be a step down.
Waste of a fax, we wouldn't sell and he wouldn't sign.
Some of the most arguable points that have been mentioned in this thread:
1- Fabregas is one of the best midfielders in the world..
Umm... He didn't feature that much for Arsenal last term. When featured he put in good but not great performances. He failed to lead a club like Arsenal to any trophy for 7 years. He is a bench player for Spain.. I think he is a very good midfielder, but still not "one of the best in the world" in my opinion, besides, he is injury prone..
My opinion, when it comes to his price, 27 million pounds is may be a bit under his valuation in my opinion, but far from being a "crazy offer".
2- Arsenal has total control over the situation..
If Arsenal wants to benefit from keeping Fabregas, then they'll have to keep him happy and focused. At moment, he simply isn't. He wants to go to Barca, and holding the player against his will will only affect him AND his monetary value negatively, and it could also harm the team morale.. Besides, they've held him against his will for 2 or 3 seasons already, which makes it now more difficult to force him to stay, again.. Bearing that in mind, I don't think they have "total" control over the situation. They are dealing with a human player not a piece of wood.
3- Barca don't need Fabregas..
Barca has the best team in the world now. But Xavi is on the wrong side of 30, and Iniesta is injury prone. Besides, they play more games than almost every other club in Europe, as everybody seems to be facing a tough task trying to knock them out from any competition. So they need depth, and they need freshness, and they need it urgently to give the new players a chance to adapt to the new system before the likes of Xavi can call it a day.. Barca need Fabregas and they need him now, in my opinion.
1- Fabregas is one of the best midfielders in the world..
Umm... He didn't feature that much for Arsenal last term. When featured he put in good but not great performances. He failed to lead a club like Arsenal to any trophy for 7 years. He is a bench player for Spain.. I think he is a very good midfielder, but still not "one of the best in the world" in my opinion, besides, he is injury prone..
My opinion, when it comes to his price, 27 million pounds is may be a bit under his valuation in my opinion, but far from being a "crazy offer".
2- Arsenal has total control over the situation..
If Arsenal wants to benefit from keeping Fabregas, then they'll have to keep him happy and focused. At moment, he simply isn't. He wants to go to Barca, and holding the player against his will will only affect him AND his monetary value negatively, and it could also harm the team morale.. Besides, they've held him against his will for 2 or 3 seasons already, which makes it now more difficult to force him to stay, again.. Bearing that in mind, I don't think they have "total" control over the situation. They are dealing with a human player not a piece of wood.
3- Barca don't need Fabregas..
Barca has the best team in the world now. But Xavi is on the wrong side of 30, and Iniesta is injury prone. Besides, they play more games than almost every other club in Europe, as everybody seems to be facing a tough task trying to knock them out from any competition. So they need depth, and they need freshness, and they need it urgently to give the new players a chance to adapt to the new system before the likes of Xavi can call it a day.. Barca need Fabregas and they need him now, in my opinion.
This.
I cant quite understand why people are now saying otherwise after one injury ridden underwhelming season.
Jamie?
If you look at what Cesc achieved this season despite his injuries, that just makes him an even more valuable commodity.
it would be worth it just to get Arsene's reaction after Kroenke tells him that they have to take the highest bid
Great player.
My condolences for your loss Alastair.
It was a strange BBC article actually - they normally just report facts, as opposed to 'senior sources said' stuff. We'll see what happens.
Load of rubbish since Wenger will decide. It sounded like one of those quotes that The Star get out of Peter Hill-Wood when they take him for a long lunch at Rules and pour a couple of bottles of Margaux down him
I reckon Fabregas, like Ronaldo was asked to stay on last season with a promise he could move this season.
Just intuition.
There is absolutely no reason why Arsenal should accept anything less than £50 million for Fabregas.
Barcelona were taking the piss with the £27 million bid last week.
Barcelona were taking the piss with the £27 million bid last week.
Everybody agreed that Carroll was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced. So it doesn't mean that Fabregas is worth more, it means that Carroll is in fact worth less.
'Worth' means nothing. It's what they'll fetch in the market.
Wenger must have his replacement in place.Can't see them letting go Nasri as well.
Indeed. Although I am rather hoping Alvarez isn't the replacement.
Just out of interest, who would you prefer to replace Cesc (if he leaves), Al?
Someone of proven ability in Europe. There's always a little risk when you bring someone over from South America. I couldn't be more specific than that - I'm not sure Fabregas is entirely replaceable.
Don't really see why they need to replace him. They (at least for now) have Nasri, Wilshire and Ramsay to play alongside Song, not to mention Abou Diaby who I still think is a good player. They're well stocked in the techno-midget department, as pete says.
They should use the money for defenders and a striker. They have one good striker and one good defender.
They should use the money for defenders and a striker. They have one good striker and one good defender.
Fabregas is definitely a 50m pound player imo.
Young and exceptionally talented. He is pure and utter class,
you would have to be insane to suggest otherwise!
Young and exceptionally talented. He is pure and utter class,
you would have to be insane to suggest otherwise!
We ought to put in a bid for him.
Well it seems like they are getting in Gervinho & Alvarez for now.. Probably a CB and a LB if they sell Clichy and probably another Winger/Forward/Attacker if they sell Nasri.. Although I can't them selling Clichy or Nasri..
Diaby has all the talent in the world, but has not put together a good run of form in his time at Arsenal that I can remember. Even if you discount how good Cesc is, we're still 1 player down, and thus he needs replacing, should he go.
I agree with Plecherous MC, you've got enough talent in midfield...why miss the opportunity to.strengthen other areas?
Put a bid in for Modric.
Why not do both? I've said before on here that the biggest issue we have is centre-mid, because of the lack of adequate back up. Song, Wilshere, Cesc is lovely, but Diaby, Denilson, Ramsey doesn't really cut it. The former two will never cut it in my view, whilst the latter has every right to be in the squad.
If I was going to make two purchases for Arsenal this summer, they'd be a new left back and a new centre-midfield player. Essential, in my view.
but Diaby, Denilson, Ramsey doesn't have to cut it. How often do we play Fletcher, Gibson and O'Shea in CM at the same time?The point is you've got three brilliant midfielders, plus Song and the frustrating Diaby. That's plenty - an enviable number. Any of those four would walk into our midfield IMO.
Yes you're losing a top player but your problems lie elsewhere. Wenger may well bring in a new CM, but then if I had to cede authority to someone on who best to buy to sort out Arsenal's perennial problems, Wenger wouldn't be top of my list.
The point is you've got three brilliant midfielders, plus Song and the frustrating Diaby. That's plenty.
Yes you're losing a top player but your problems lie elsewhere. Wenger may well bring in a new CM, but then if I had to cede authority to someone on who best to buy to sort out Arsenal's perennial problems, Wenger wouldn't be top of my list.
I was saying that neither Denilson nor Diaby are good enough to play alongside Wilshere and Fabregas.
I accept too that we have other problems, but CM is just as great a problem as left back/up top.
It isn't. You're midfield's excellent. You don't need any more techno-midgets.
Are you Wenger?
Are you Wenger?
It's the single biggest reason for which we drop off later in the season. When Denilson and Diaby played against a United 4th team in the FA Cup, they couldn't keep up. Says it all.
Would you not agree on a wide forward too, in addition to a left back and CB?
They lack a defensive midfielder or someone who can play the holding role effectively.
Song is very average.
Diaby just blows hot and cold too often.
Song is very average.
Diaby just blows hot and cold too often.
Getting Thiago and a nice lump sum (£35mil) will be good business on our side.
Yup, and I'm not overly inspired by Gervinho coming. He looks decent, but not top quality.
In fairness if they lost Fabregas they'd be left with Wilshere who, despite the fact he's going to be one of the best players around, is probably going to have the same sort of slump most young players do at some stage. Nasri might end up playing wide at times, particularly if Arshavin leaves. Song will play most weeks. Then there's Ramsey who has a lot of potential but has played very few games at this level, Denilson who's neither good enough nor inclined to stay there, it seems, and Diaby who's wildly inconsistent and hasn't shown enough to really trouble the first choice players regularly and Rosicky who's been dogshit.
Wenger might want to buy one more player to give them a different option or maybe even a bit of experience. I doubt he will though.
I would deem it unbelievably foolish should Fabregas go and no replacement to arrive. That's just not going to happen.
It doesn't say it all. That's not the main reason you faded. The main problem is that you have one top defender, who was injured most of the season, one top striker, who's injured for half of every season, and clowns in goal (possibly now remedied). You always have classy midfields that can win the ball, hold it, pass round the opposition and create goals.
You are Wenger. You're looking at a man with no legs and no head, and saying, "What this guy needs is a heart bypass."
They could probably do with an experienced head in midfield once Fabregas goes. None of Wilshere, Ramsey or Song - their three best midfield players have that much experience.
OK, but who could you sign as a replacement that wouldn't be a marked downgrade?