I suspect that's not entirely Cesc's fault.
Fabregas to Barcelona!
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I suspect that's not entirely Cesc's fault.
Look, first, I'm not saying he is a bad player. He is a good player, but still hasn't proved that he is a "great player" or "the best midfielder who isn't playing for Barcelona" yet! This in my opinion is going over the top when you look to what he achieved in Arsenal both at club and personal level.
And second, even if he is one player, he's got to win something (or even get close) to prove that he is that great.. I mean for God's sake there are people (many) who are still arguing about how good Messi is, because apparently he has to win the world cup single handedly for Argentina to "prove he is the best"! So putting "the best in the world bar Barcelona" and a player's name who hasn't won ANYTHING yet in the same sentence is a bit lacking objectivity there in my opinion..
Third, every player (no matter how great he is) will have a big question mark put over him if he suffers an injury, or worse multiple injuries, until he can prove that he can play again at a very high level without injuries. It's just a well known fact in football. I just can't understand how that doesn't apply to a player who has been nursing more injuries than the goals he scored in the last two seasons.
Not entirely, but when faced against such inferior players, you'd think he'd be the catalyst for Arsenal's midfield and lead them against a much weaker midfield. But he has been played off the park individually by so called average players on a regular basis. I'm not slagging Fabregas off, I'm just pointing out that for all of his greater ability than our midfield players, he does not seem to show it too often. In fact, quite the opposite.
True, he's never really looked like anything other than just another midfielder against us. He's obviously a great player, but he's not on the level gooners seem to think he is...yet anyway.
The best thing to come of this (and nasri) though is watching the arrogant gooner fans squirm, it's brilliant both on and off the internet
You don't think he wants to leave this summer then?
I think he'd be happy to leave, but not so desperate to leave that he'll stick in a transfer request.
I've been saying this for ages, he dicks on premier league cannon fodder on a regular basis but in the later stages of the champions league and against top the top four he rarely delivers.
Presumably you think he will only leave if he submits a transfer request then?
God, try and keep up. If Barcelona offer an acceptable amount, it's bye-bye Cesc. If they don't offer close to it, it'll take a transfer request to force us to negotiate a lower price.
Looks to me like you're the one who needs to keep up, you still think he's not desperate to leave.
A transfer request is irrelevant if the appropriate transfer fee is not on offer.
It's not irrelevant, because it demonstrates that the player will almost certainly not stay, meaning a fee has to be agreed. It's all irrelevant in Cesc's case though, since he won't do that.
Are you for real?
If you can't see what a quality player Fabregas is then you mustn't be watching the same player I am. He's been outstanding for Arsenal since he had Patrick Vieira in his back pocket against Juve in the CL all those years ago - and since then he's gotten even better.
He gets more than his fair share of goals, his passing is excellent of both feet and he dictates play in a side that (regardless or criticisms of lack of steel) play some of the best football about in terms of entertainment. Add to that he doesn't hide, gives it his all and is a passionate competitor and you have a very tidy footballer indeed. If Arsenal had a few more like him they wouldn't be trophyless for the last six years. On top of all that he's still a young lad with the potential to get a hell of a lot better.
If you need an proof of his quality look at his appearences from the bench for Sapin in the succesful Euro 2008 campaign - when on more than one occaision he was teh catalyst in winning vital games, to the point where he gave the coach (with the best midfield in international football by a mile) a real selection dilema in the final as to whether to change their system entirely.
As for Kaka - you mustn't mean the one who destroyed United at OT in the CL? He's had some shocking injuries and clearly isn't the player he was but you don't win World Player of the Year by collecting tokens off a Frosties box.
Do you think you'd accept less plus a player, as I think that may be the best you'll offer, as they are quite a way away from where they need to be in all money terms
They tried to offer us Maxwell before Wenger told them that the fee increases to £60m if we have to have him in exchange.
Yeh, but there has to be a player you might want though?
Maybe there isn't, but I just can't see them going upto the ~£40-45m that it will take, can see maybe £35m + player
I thought we might do a deal £40M plus Afellay but I guess he doesn't want to come.
Of course it's irrelevant - it has been for about 20 years since they abolished the clause that meant you got 10% of the fee if you didn't request it. It's completely meaningless now which is why no one' asks for a transfer'.
They're called loyalty bonuses now and they're in pretty much every professional footballer's contract, as I understand it. The PFA actively advise players to say nothing when they're looking for a move as they'll get a slice if they haven't been seen to encourage the advances.
In reality though lots of players have to give them up to get the move they want.
Barca players declaring their love for Cesc.
Alves a couple of days ago and now Villa is at it.
Alves a couple of days ago and now Villa is at it.
It's been unconsummated for over a year. They can keep wanking away.
Alves's comment on Arsenal was a bit cnutish, but still made me laugh.
They'll be coming real soon.
Why do they want him anyway? Space on their bench, or what?
Xavi is 31, one day his performances over a season will drop.
Yeah, three years from now, or so.
Nah, one or two.
I can envisage him playing to 34/35, without too much trouble.
Unless, of course, he has stated that he will retire at a certain age which I am not aware of.
Unless, of course, he has stated that he will retire at a certain age which I am not aware of.
I can too, but will he be better than a very good Fabregas over a season at that age... nah. Turning 32 four months into the season.
I would take Xavi, but we'll agree to disagree. 
Abidal might be the only player from their starting 11 who hasn't actually said anything. I've checked all the others off.
Quick points:
1- Fabregas is STILL a bench warmer for Spain. And we didn't even see much of him in 2010.
2- Kaka was finished when he moved to Real. One reason for that was his injuries. However, just like the case with you now, they didn't realize that he is not the player he was 2 or 3 years ago, and just kept living in the reputation he built earlier.
3- At 24 it's not about potential, you have to produce at 24.
4- Fabregas had 8 (YES EIGHT!) injuries (1 ankle, 1 fibular fracture, and 6 hamstring) in the last 15 months! 40 millions euros is too much for ANY player who had that many injuries, especially that he hasn't recovered yet from his last one! What if Pep buys him, and he gets injured and sit 6 months on the bench? Won't you all call Pep and idiot for splashing that much money on an injury-prone player??
In response:
1) yes, he might be - against the best midfield two in the world in Iniesta and Xavi. I personally don´t think he´ll get in before either at Barca but it doesnt change teh fact that he would walk into pretty much every other midfield in the world. Also doesnt change the fact that he has performed magnificently for Spain when called upon - especially in Euro 2008.
2) At 24 its not all about potential - but he is already a very good player, in a position where because he is not reliant on pace he can get a lot better - look at Xavi as an example - he´s got better and better and hit hsi peak late in his career as possible one of the best players in his position we´ve seen in modern football.
3) N guarantees can ever be made and perhaps he may miss games through injury. He may get injured, he may not - doesnt mean he´s not a top player.
He's in the top 3 bracket for midfielders in world football, you're damn right it's not about potential.
Fabregas is such an overrated player. He never stands out in the big games and is usually overshadowed in midfield by a team mate, Nasri and Wilshere being the main ones. Personally I hope Barca sign him, because I think we could get at him if we had to play him. I also think that Thiago Alcantara will turn out to be better than him soon enough, which is perhaps why Barca are reluctant to pay big money for him.
Dont kid yourself. He is a top player and would be much better in the Barca setup as every player would be.
First, you have to quote RedRover and not me when talking about potential..
Second, see that's where I disagree with you. Fabregas is a very good player, but the way you are making him in the "top 3" in the whole world (obviously beside Xavi and Iniesta), I just can't agree there, I don't think he has done enough to prove it. He "could" be in the top 3 or the top 1 in the future, that CAN happen, but now he isn't in my opinion. Not yet. Especially with his recurrent injuries.. And in all honesty, I won't buy him for United for more than 35 million euros. We don't need a third Owen who is that expensive.
Ah? I wonder which other player named Fabregas were you looking at? First of all do you even watch him play?