I agree. We have probably different opinions, although it's not that big of a difference reading your post.. I said I would buy him for 35 million euros (which is a lot of money in my opinion), would you buy a crock for 35 million euros?? Or does it sound like I'm saying he is a waste of money?? Of course not. It's not like either he is the best in the world or a crock who is worth nothing. I stand somewhere in the middle, where I appreciate that he is a VERY good player, but I'd rather spend 50 million pounds on the three players that we signed so far than him alone.
Fabregas to Barcelona!
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I agree. We have probably different opinions, although it's not that big of a difference reading your post.. I said I would buy him for 35 million euros (which is a lot of money in my opinion), would you buy a crock for 35 million euros?? Or does it sound like I'm saying he is a waste of money?? Of course not. It's not like either he is the best in the world or a crock who is worth nothing. I stand somewhere in the middle, where I appreciate that he is a VERY good player, but I'd rather spend 50 million pounds on the three players that we signed so far than him alone.
These fecking Barca players are really getting to me. Day after day, player after player keeps telling the press Cesc belongs there and he should not play anywhere else. It is getting really fecking annoying. I just wish they would just shut up and let Cesc just make his own decision instead of pressuring him to make one.
Victor's turn today.
http://www.crunchsports.com/categor...na-return-reveals-Victor-Valdes-201107130026/
http://www.crunchsports.com/categor...na-return-reveals-Victor-Valdes-201107130026/
If I were Arsenal, and it's a strictly hypothetical situation because I'm fully aeare of the fact that a person cannot be a football club, I would sell Fabregas to Barcelona even for £5m less than he's worth because I'd be bullied by Barcelona players telling me what to do.
Barca should either make an appropriate bid, or shut the feck up. Its really getting annyoing and tiring
They're not going to, so it looks like he's not going after all.
If he's suffering he should man up and submit a transfer request.
Wenger reacts to Xavi's "Cesc's Suffering comments.."
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has reacted angrily to comments made by Barcelona midfielder Xavi regarding the future of skipper Cesc Fabregas.
The Gunners manager continues to have to fend off speculation regarding the future of his club captain.
Reports suggesting Fabregas will soon return to his Catalan roots at Barcelona refuse to go away, with the saga having dragged on for some years now.
The Spain international has announced in the past that he would welcome the opportunity to head home, helping to fan the flames.
His words have often incited a response from those already at Camp Nou, with the likes of Xavi having been increasingly vocal in their support of a deal.
The World Cup winner was at it again on Wednesday when speaking to Barcelona's official website.
He said: "I spoke to Cesc in Ibiza and he said he was suffering because he wanted to come.
"It's more like, he did everything he could to come and wants to leave Arsenal - although he made it clear that now everything depends on the selling club."
Wenger is disappointed with Xavi for discussing an issue which has nothing to do with him and admits he is growing tired at having to cover old ground.
The Gunners boss said: "What is important is that Cesc Fabregas is contracted to Arsenal. That is a fact. Arsenal wants to keep him and all the rest is comment.
"If I found Barcelona in exactly the same position, I believe a mutual respect between the clubs should stop this kind of comment.
"If it is true then it is very disrespectful and it is not the first time that Xavi has been disrespectful to Arsenal."
Fabregas, 24, is a product of the Barcelona youth system but joined Arsenal in 2003 and has since become a key figure at the club.
Barca coach Pep Guardiola earlier revealed he hoped there will be progress in the pursuit of Cesc Fabregas before the end of the week.
Guardiola is reported to be unhappy with Barcelona president Sandro Rosell for his failure to sign Fabregas earlier in the summer, but is certainly hoping for an imminent update on the situation.
"Now the situation about moves for reinforcements
is very complicated, but I'm hopeful in the next few days it will become clear," he said on Catalunya Radio.
"I'm always optimistic."
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Fair play to Wenger, although he should have went further & reported the cnuts. They're gettin off scott-free, as its unsporting conduct or some shit like that!
What the feck is Guardiola on about "reinforcements" - does he think Barca are the Catalan Army ffs
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has reacted angrily to comments made by Barcelona midfielder Xavi regarding the future of skipper Cesc Fabregas.
The Gunners manager continues to have to fend off speculation regarding the future of his club captain.
Reports suggesting Fabregas will soon return to his Catalan roots at Barcelona refuse to go away, with the saga having dragged on for some years now.
The Spain international has announced in the past that he would welcome the opportunity to head home, helping to fan the flames.
His words have often incited a response from those already at Camp Nou, with the likes of Xavi having been increasingly vocal in their support of a deal.
The World Cup winner was at it again on Wednesday when speaking to Barcelona's official website.
He said: "I spoke to Cesc in Ibiza and he said he was suffering because he wanted to come.
"It's more like, he did everything he could to come and wants to leave Arsenal - although he made it clear that now everything depends on the selling club."
Wenger is disappointed with Xavi for discussing an issue which has nothing to do with him and admits he is growing tired at having to cover old ground.
The Gunners boss said: "What is important is that Cesc Fabregas is contracted to Arsenal. That is a fact. Arsenal wants to keep him and all the rest is comment.
"If I found Barcelona in exactly the same position, I believe a mutual respect between the clubs should stop this kind of comment.
"If it is true then it is very disrespectful and it is not the first time that Xavi has been disrespectful to Arsenal."
Fabregas, 24, is a product of the Barcelona youth system but joined Arsenal in 2003 and has since become a key figure at the club.
Barca coach Pep Guardiola earlier revealed he hoped there will be progress in the pursuit of Cesc Fabregas before the end of the week.
Guardiola is reported to be unhappy with Barcelona president Sandro Rosell for his failure to sign Fabregas earlier in the summer, but is certainly hoping for an imminent update on the situation.
"Now the situation about moves for reinforcements
"I'm always optimistic."
AW blasts 'disrespectful' Xavi - Arsenal News, Transfer Talk & Gossip | TEAMtalk
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Fair play to Wenger, although he should have went further & reported the cnuts. They're gettin off scott-free, as its unsporting conduct or some shit like that!
What the feck is Guardiola on about "reinforcements" - does he think Barca are the Catalan Army ffs
I'd sell him to Real, just to piss off those Catalan cnuts
I'd sell him to Manchester United just to piss off those Community of Madrid cnuts...
We were hoping we'd do the same regards Ronaldo, i.e. sell him to Barca to piss off the Franco cnuts.
However when the player has his heart set on one club and one club only, you can't exactly dictate where he goes.
In the end Arsenal are doing the right thing - they have no obligation to sell a contracted player at their club if their valuation isn't met, regardless of the sob stories being produced left, right and centre from Catalunya. Barca can either pay what Arsenal are demanding, or can feck off. Fabregas also has to come to terms with this, it's not like Arsenal forced him to sign the contract at gunpoint.
Whats even sicker, is Barca know he only wants to move to them, so they're tellin Arsenal to hand him over for a reduced fee as if they have some claim to him. The arrogance of all that really leaves a bad taste in the mouth, a taste that donkey piss couldnt shift. If Fabregas was to be sold elsewhere he'd cost £40m+, because there'd be a host of clubs in for him & a bidding war would ensue!
Perhaps I´ve gotten myself confused. You seem to have changed your opinion slightly over preceding posts.
Again, all a matter of opinion, but it´d be interested to see what people think. Given that we desperately need a creative spark in midfield then I think most fans would be delighted if Fabregas was a United player - even if it meant we didnt get another wigner and centre back we arguably dont need right now. Obviously De Gea or whichever keeper was chosen was vital in any event.
I do get confused as to why people concern themselves with price tags for players, because frankly I dont believe that any club would pay so much for one player that it left the bank empty for others potential signings to address other problem areas.
Exactly - wave his "loyalty bonus" good bye.
Arsenal should just tell Barca the price and thats that. If not he stays. Simple. He might moan for a bit but he wont get his "dream move" at any point in the future unless he keeps performing.
First, no, I didn't change my stance, those Fabregas muppets are the ones who try to push everything I say to the other extreme end to give their defense some credibility. Review my posts and you can see that. My opinion about Fabregas was and still is: 1- Fabregas is a very good midfielder, but he is not the third best midfielder in the world. 2- He is injury prone at moment and singing him will involve some risk. 3- He is not worth more than 35 million euros.
Second, it's simple math not really riddle of Sphinx. If we buy Fabregas for 35 million euros then we'll have 20 million euros more to spend on another player than if we buy him for 55 million euros. What part of that you don't understand?? For 35 million euros I'll buy him. For 55 millions let him keep finishing third (or lower) at Arsenal..
The first post I responded too you suggested that Fabregas was only living on "previous reputation" and "spending more time on the bench than on the field" which is nonsense. You also seemed to suggest that Modric was a better player. Since then you seem to think that Fabregas is actually a very good player. Perhaps I misunderstand.
You again completely missed the point Í was driving at regarding a players fee, namely that if United signed a player for whatever sum they would obviously deem that sum acceptable. No professional club would spend a sum on a player without factoring in whether they could then go out and spend money on other areas to address a particular problem. Its not as if they´ll spend x on one player and then think "oh shit - can´t pay the wages this month". Therefore, if the club, the manager and those involved with the finances deem a plyer worth the money then I think they´re better placed than me to make that decision.
As regards a player of Fabregas calibre, (obviously purely hypothetically) I´d be happy if United spend a large sum of money on him because he´s a very talented player with a lot of top level experience who I personally think could mature into the best midfield player in the world.
The fact is to get top player you pay top money. Is Fabregas worth half a Ronaldo? - to me he probably is. You may pay 10 or 15 million over the odds but as with Ronaldo, which was an exorbitant sum of money, it can work out well financially as well as on a footballing level if your team is more succesful as a result. Put simply, if players like Pastore and Sanchez are worth as much as 40 million as we ar esupposed to believe, Fabregas was worth a bit more.
Even the Catalan mayor is onto it now 
Cesc Fábregas has been 'kidnapped' by Arsenal, says Catalan mayor | Football | guardian.co.uk
Cesc Fábregas has been 'kidnapped' by Arsenal, says Catalan mayor | Football | guardian.co.uk
Even the Catalan mayor is onto it now
Cesc Fábregas has been 'kidnapped' by Arsenal, says Catalan mayor | Football | guardian.co.uk
Read that earlier. Really hope Arsenal don't sell him now.
This is really getting way out of hand.
You don't say?!
Maybe not this year but they have to sell him next year because I doubt he would sign a contract extension and if they wait two years, then it is going to become the Nasri situation all over again because he is going to be in the last year of his contract.
God, Barca will have Manuel from Fawlty Towers speaking for them next...
The article on the same page makes more sense: 'Can Barcelona afford a £40m transfer outlay and minimum £25m future commitment in wages for Fábregas? Go figure. But by putting Xavi's unsettling comments about the Catalan on Barça's official website, perhaps they think they can get him on the cheap'.
Even the Catalan mayor is onto it now
Cesc Fábregas has been 'kidnapped' by Arsenal, says Catalan mayor | Football | guardian.co.uk
This is the kind of statement that is so different to the ones we've been making or our players/staff have (yes I know he's not part of Barcelona FC).
At the same time Wenger actually comes out and says Xavi has been disrespectful a number of times. That just goes to show how far it's gone. Rarely do I side with Arsenal and I do on this one. They will sell him but the way all of this has been handled has been shameful.
Do they really have the money to spend at least £70m on both Sanchez and Cesc this summer?
Oh feck off Barca. Dirty bastards. Pay up or GTFO.
I love the Caf solidarity with Arsenal on this one.He's seen the holiday snaps then.
Agreed.
Arsenal should hang on to Fabregas.
And sell Nasri to us for £20M.
End of.
And sell Nasri to us for £20M.
End of.
Or sell him to Madrid, even better.
Hey can one of you kidnap me and pay me 110k a week whilst you're at it, please?
I'll make you play football, too, you rapscallion.
This is not aimed at you RedRover but in general it's pointless to estimate the top players transfer value. Every case is special and some figures are laughable.
For example it's comical to see Palermo's president and his agent value Pastore to more then €45m and then at the same time read figures close to €10m for Banega. Someone must clearly under/overestimate the potential market value for his object.
The transfer saga of Sanchez is the other one. For weeks we have heard about his transfer value and that Udeinese want premium. But still nobody has finalize the deal. And if reports are to be true he prefer going to Barcelona, but so far they are not willing to meet the owners market value. So let's see who will end up short.
Earlier today I read about Marik Hamsik's value. Why must Napoli be so modest? Nobody dispute he's a very good player but what the feck. It was a long time ago since lire was a functional currency but I assume the Camorra still have something to say about that. Go for a easy number. Let's say 100m when you are on it.
My all time favorite is Fernando Torres! Bought for a fee close to €25. One outstanding season then followed by 18 month of mediocre performance's. His hamstring was injured a couple of times under that period and in his last season with our loved enemy he sulked and looked like a hurt little girl. Who the feck thought that he was worth twice to his initial fee after such a record.
Well don't worry boy's. The last idiot isn't born yet!
Come on now. Unsettling comments? You think the comments on Barca's website make a jot of difference to Fabregas' thoughts on the transfer, or are in any way news to him?
Even the Catalan mayor is onto it now
Cesc Fábregas has been 'kidnapped' by Arsenal, says Catalan mayor | Football | guardian.co.uk
Crazy, I bet the Arsenal fans are livid and fed up of the whole saga. If this Mayor really said that, he is a twat, but the press is the same the world over, a bit of journo licence, and not to mention the old twisted in translation excuse.
I don't get it why us United fans are sympathizing with Arsenal on this Fabregas matter?
I'm sure there was no sympathy from them when we sold Ronaldo to Madrid in sort of similar circumstances. I'm actually delighted that our title rivals are getting weakened.
I'm sure there was no sympathy from them when we sold Ronaldo to Madrid in sort of similar circumstances. I'm actually delighted that our title rivals are getting weakened.