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Anyway this is off-topic.Isn't Smalling playing RB for England too?
Anyway, it's not going to happen. Fabio is our third choice LB and about our 5th choice RB.
I'd love if he got anywhere near as good as Rafael and gave us something similar down the left, but I have serious doubts. 2 separate Utd managers and coaching staff obviously don't think he's even a capable backup for a 32 year old LB who thinks he's a winger half the time.
Who he played against 3 years ago really has nothing to do with anything considering that has proven to be the highlight of his time here.
Anyway, it's not going to happen. Fabio is our third choice LB and about our 5th choice RB.
I'd love if he got anywhere near as good as Rafael and gave us something similar down the left, but I have serious doubts. 2 separate Utd managers and coaching staff obviously don't think he's even a capable backup for a 32 year old LB who thinks he's a winger half the time.
Who he played against 3 years ago really has nothing to do with anything considering that has proven to be the highlight of his time here.
Context is key.
Someone said that Fergie didn't rate him, which isn't true at all, as Fergie played him in crucial games in 10-11. He could have played O'Shea instead. It's not a case of playing there because we don't have cover and playing poorly. He performed really well in these games, in fact he was one of our best players in a couple of them.
The fact that he's third choice left back says more about our management than it does about Fábio. At right back it's understandable that Moyes prefers Smalling in certain fixtures where we need height, but I hate this reasoning. I watched Rafael dominated Carroll in the air in 11/12 at OT.
So Fergie trusted him 3 years ago..... maybe he was having an usually good spell of form. Given that he has done sweet feck all since that would be a more realistic explanation than imagining we have the next Roberto Carlos sat in the reserves but we don't play him for some reason no on knows.
Yeah that they don't trust him because he isn't good enough in training.
Out there but maybe that's because Rafael is a world class RB and Carroll is a donkey.
Or he had fewer options..
Fabio seems to have become a martyr on here for no real valid reason. This place is strange.
The difference is - if I remember correctly - Fergie played him in cup games to show his quality. He also played him in CL games (Rangers and Valencia, I think), so he had a chance to make it in big games like today's game, for example.
Expecting him to start today would be an absurd thing of me to do because he has only played one game, but my point is that Moyes has to integrate him through low-key fixtures - cup games like Norwich, for example. Maybe in your opinion he doesn't deserve to become back-up for Evra, but Buttner has been poor this season.
First Fabio has to do something to justify inclusion. It's not as if Moyes won't give a player a chance.
I'd see the fact that he can't get a game ahead of Buttner more as a damming verdict on him as a player than as evidence of some strange deficiency in our management.
Your first point is what I said previously, too. Fábio has done something already - he played well against Crystal Palace. You reward good performances by playing players more. So Moyes then can give him a game against Norwich because Buttner was poor against Liverpool (Capital One Cup) and West Brom (loss at home).
You could say that, but you and I don't know what goes in the training ground, so that makes my posts redundant. Add to that the fact Buttner hasn't exactly done much to endear himself this season, makes the decision a bit more. Don't mistake me for some obsessed Fábio fan, I criticise/praise every player, regardless of status, but this one seems a bit odd to me.
Fabio had 21 starts in the league for QPR. He started the season picking up a few starts before getting injured, but when he came back, and after Redknapp came in, he started nearly every game, and played pretty well.
If SAF didn't rate him he would have sold him. Not loaning him out again was a vote of confidence for me, though perhaps Moyes simply wanted time to assess him, it was certainly a time of transition.
If we're not going to play him, I hope we loan him out mid-season.
If SAF didn't rate him he would have sold him. Not loaning him out again was a vote of confidence for me, though perhaps Moyes simply wanted time to assess him, it was certainly a time of transition.
If we're not going to play him, I hope we loan him out mid-season.
Phil Jones wasn't signed until the season after, and Chris Smalling was new/untested that season. Both have since surpassed him at right back.
Or a successful loan deal would get you more money for him if you chose to sell him then playing a year in the reserves..
Then that begs the question why didn't we loan him out again, to raise his value, or sell him this summer.
Even with Buttner here Evra started pretty much all the games so the relevancy of the argument re: Evra's age and Buttner coming in as a replacement for Fabio is nil. Quite obvious that he was loaned out to get playing time since after his good run in 10/11 in 11/12 he was unreliable.
Both Rafael and Fabio were getting constant injuries but difference with Rafael is that because of the RB situation he had more chance to get games and so he didn't need to get loaned out last season since he'd managed to show enough. Fabio though couldn't displace Evra so we sent him out. He wasn't fit a lot also. Can't have a backup player and he's always injured so we got Buttner to be that guy.
Fabio started most of the games at QPR when he was fit and did well with the odd meh game which is understandable. Managed to do well in a relegation threatened team last season but has had no chance this season. No answer as to why.
Both Rafael and Fabio were getting constant injuries but difference with Rafael is that because of the RB situation he had more chance to get games and so he didn't need to get loaned out last season since he'd managed to show enough. Fabio though couldn't displace Evra so we sent him out. He wasn't fit a lot also. Can't have a backup player and he's always injured so we got Buttner to be that guy.
Fabio started most of the games at QPR when he was fit and did well with the odd meh game which is understandable. Managed to do well in a relegation threatened team last season but has had no chance this season. No answer as to why.
He must be awful in training not to get a game... I find that unlikely. We'll probably rest Evra against Shakhtar or something, but I doubt he'll get a look. It's a shame.
It seems Moyes made his mind up about Zaha, Fabio and Anderson before they kicked a ball under him.
Which is bit strange considering all of them did featured a lot in pre-season and did quite well.
Yet neither has been as good as him at his best there.
Of that there is no doubt. Which makes this a bit special. He hasn't really been surpassed by anyone except his own brother. Jones and Smalling are just makeshift solutions and Büttner would, I suppose, strike most as an unlikely candidate to push a player who started a CL final down the pecking order. How badly can you regress - seems the pertinent question?
Two managers don't seem to rate him, makes me think there is something we don't know.
At the way things are going, the only explanation that I have is that I he's off in January and signing for a Brazilian team. There's not much value in selling him since his contract runs out in July and we've never been the type of club that will delay young players deemed not good enough for us over the fees. Would explain why Moyes doesn't have any interest in playing him.
As far as I see it's only been Moyes. Fergie stated himself that we'd send him on loan around the end of the 11/12 season for first team appearances. And Hughes and Redknapp liked him.
Interesting, you'd say Fergie liked Fabio, I'd be interested to know under SAF when our usual RB/LB was out, how many times Fabio filled in (when fit obviously) to make it fair... I can imagine that would be VERY low.
Also, Redknapp and Hughes liked him? Whats your proof for that... Not that it was his fault where QPR were concerned.
Well, Hughes took him on loan and Redknapp played him quite a bit if I remember. As for Fergie, at the start of 2011/12, I thought Jones did really well at right back, and it's always been hard to bench Evra.
Fergie rarely benched Evra and Fabio was always injured so not sure if anyone can say he disliked him based on the evidence. He got a run one season. Continued being injured the next while Evra was a lock at LB. Last season it was realised he wouldn't get much play time since Rafael had emerged favourite for RB and the LB situation remained the same so he got loaned out to get play time.
Also it was said that two managers didn't rate him implying Ferguson and Moyes when it's really just the latter.
Also it was said that two managers didn't rate him implying Ferguson and Moyes when it's really just the latter.
As an opposition team, I'd bite your hand off if you told me Manchester United's main attacking threat was a winger who can't find a man in the box.
People seem to for get that Rafael was also in and out of the team and only made that spot his own because Smalling and Jones were injured for months at the start of last season. That run allowed him to build consistency and helped him nail the spot down so when Smalling and Jones came back they couldn't push Rafa out. With a similar run (when Rafael was injured just now for example) I don't see why Fabio wouldn't develop similarly.
I do back Moyes but one of main gripes with him has been the sidelining of Fabio. I mean when he broke into the team, he did so ahead of Rafael. He is better than Buttner and can be that successor to Evra. Why waste all that money when you have a great youth talent waiting to come in for free. Use the money on the midfield instead.
He obviously hasn't impressed in training or shown the desire to break into the first team.
Not sure who is more overrated here, Fabio or Kagawa
Looks like he was training with the first team today, may be involved tomorrow (likely on the bench) if Evra not available.
Would love to see him involved but not getting my hopes up.
The man hasn't even played enough to be 'over rated'. While people like Buttner have.
I've given up wanting him to be given time and given a chance, SAF didn't, Moyes didn't, and the various smaller clubs he went on to loan to (All had their problems admittedly), but none thought he was good enough to even play him regularly..
I hope for his sake he moves back to Brazil and plays well as I still think there is a top player in there, but we won't see it here now.
I hope for his sake he moves back to Brazil and plays well as I still think there is a top player in there, but we won't see it here now.
I don't think he's that overrated tbh. Most posters just think he's a better option then Buttner (which isn't overrating him at all) and want him to be given some game time.
Agree but stranger things have happened in football. All it takes is one opportunity to change the manager's thinking a bit.
I agree with this...
If he was ok to play that final vs Barcelona I guess we could play him in most games??
Yeah, it's a weird one. Even when Rafael was injured/suspended, we're far more likely to see Jones/Smalling?Valencia at RB then Fabio.
Can't explain it really.
Sure, I'll bite, so if you had to put your money where you mouth was? My point being I think most will accept it's nigh on impossible now.. Unless Evra dies tomorrow, Evans has a season ending challenge and Buttner goes back to his German caravan, then maybe, just maybe, but DM will probably try to loan in a LB
I guess as fans we don't see everything? Maybe there is more things that come out in training which make him a worse player that we don't know about. I just don't know I guess.
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