I think Shaw has had a bit poor season so far. At least compared to last season, maybe not for a guy his age. But, I would still be a bit concerned because of this and would maybe put this transfer on ice to see his development the next season or two.
Fabio Coentrao
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I think Shaw has had a bit poor season so far. At least compared to last season, maybe not for a guy his age. But, I would still be a bit concerned because of this and would maybe put this transfer on ice to see his development the next season or two.
Good decision. I'm glad you made it as it saves me from having to.
Coentrao then, we're agreed?
Shaw hasn't hit the heights he did last season, but I think his talent is there for all to see. If he continues to develop and work hard, i'm sure he'll end up as a very, very good full-back. I'm sure he'll be expensive though.
Speaking of Southampton, what ever happened to Nathaniel Clyne? I know he's still around and all, but at just 22 years of age he seems to have gone off the (transfer) radar a little. Do people not rate him as much anymore? I'm sure we were linked with him many times early on last season. Sorry to derail.
Speaking of Southampton, what ever happened to Nathaniel Clyne? I know he's still around and all, but at just 22 years of age he seems to have gone off the (transfer) radar a little. Do people not rate him as much anymore? I'm sure we were linked with him many times early on last season. Sorry to derail.
Injured I think of late!
Yeah, he's been injured for the past month (though has just returned) and a youth product called Calum Chambers has apparently done well in his absence there. Looking at a Southampton forum, they generally seem to really rate Clyne. I've not really seen enough of their games to comment.
One of the more plausible Spanish football gossip sources said again today (on telly, I didn't meet him in the pub) that the rumours inside Real Madrid are that despite Ronaldo's best efforts to cheer him up (and get him a payrise) Coentrao wants out. He didn't mention us in the report.
So any reports on movement here at all? even give me football?
If we are really looking for a left back, I think we have more chance of signing Coentrao than Baines and Shaw. If I m not wrong his agent is Mendes too
What does that mean now? Fergie has gone, Gill has gone and Martin Ferguson has gone too. There was obviously a good relationship there but we have no idea whether that stands.
How good is Coentrao anyhow? Marcelo seems to be first choice left back but is hardly an Evra 2008 in disguise.
I think he is being overrated by a few in this thread, but that always happens. He certainly hasn't been 'much' better than Baines over the last two seasons.
Shaw, Baines, Coentrao would all be good signings. Moyes will hopefully make approaches for all three and go for the one which makes most financial sense - I suspect that would rule Baines out.
Shaw, Baines, Coentrao would all be good signings. Moyes will hopefully make approaches for all three and go for the one which makes most financial sense - I suspect that would rule Baines out.
For me, Baines is too old and should as such be ruled out on that premise alone. Considering Shaw or Coentrao, who's better right now, and who will serve us best in the next five years?
Well yes, the age comes into the financial aspect that I just mentioned. As an asset his value is going to rapidly decline over the next few seasons, so that needs to be represented in the price. I don't think it will be, hence it won't make financial sense to buy him.
I'm not an expert on Shaw and haven't seen him play half as often as Coentrao, but I would say the latter is of course currently better. Who'll be better in five years is impossible to say, Shaw has the potential to be better but who knows. All three would be good signings from a football perspective, so if one is cheaper than the other I think that would clinch it.
Coentrao on loan then go for Shaw in the summer window.
United still have a good relationship with Mendes and apparently his daughter even did some work experience at United recently
While this is true, Coentrao has barely kicked a ball and for that reason is more of a risk. Would be different if he was playing well every week, but hes not even playing
What is the fee people think we'd be paying for Coentrao anyway? Madrid paid just under £30 million for him if we say that Garay was worth only about 6 million euros at the time - he may have been worth more. Thats a huge amount for a left back, realistically how much are Madrid going to ask for?
Cheers guys! Haven't been following Southampton so closely this season, so I was curious on how people still see him. Every time I do watch him play, though, he looks very good.
Back on topic - I feel that if it were a toss up between Baines and Coentrao, Coentrao is the infinitely better option. The one thing Baines has over him is that he is proven in the Premier League (which will mean nothing if Coentrao were to find his feet here), but I feel Coentrao is superior in all other aspects (bar striking the ball) and is also a fair bit younger. I think Baines is quite overrated, he really wouldn't be anything very special without that amazing cross of his. The only player who would benefit from such fantastic crossing is Chicharito, i'd imagine. The rest like it to the feet, ala overlapping Evra. Just my thoughts.
Edit: Reading about how Coentrao has barely played recently, it is a valid concern. Perhaps spending such a large sum (one would assume he wouldn't be so cheap, having been bought for so much and being on Real wages) on a player who hasn't actually been a first team player in a very, very long time is quite a bit of a risk. Hopefully we see him play for Madrid later this year with more regularity.
Coentrao was unbelievable in the last world cup. I haven't seen much of him since then, but I remember wanting United to go all out for him at the time.
I really don't see a clear option for us on left back. Baines is far to old for the fee Everton demand.
Coentrao is only a option for the right price, but I suspect Real will demand way to much. Especially with the fee they once paid for him.
I think it's a bit sad that Moyes do not have faith in Fabio. If he would be given games at United I think he would do very well, and he would sign a New contract to stay with us and his brother straight away. Do you have some options for left back?
I'd be happy with Coentrao, and think he's gettable. I don't see what has changed from the summer and we almost had him then. I could see this one happening.
The fact that they were willing to loan him to us probably suggests they wouldn't be too hard to negotiate with.
going forward he s a class act, defensively i m less convinced
So, Evra basically?
People are criticizing Evra for being poor defensively, but how many modern fullbacks are really good defensively? Evra was for a couple of seasons and Cole was good at defending, but most fullbacks these days are more wingers than defenders. (Evra's lapses in defense are just poor, so that is beside the discussion
)I think he ll need some time to settle down too...i mean he ll be moving to another country,not to mention the lack of games. From that aspect baines would be the best option - he knows moyes well so he ll find it easier to adapt.
So, Evra basically?
People are criticizing Evra for being poor defensively, but how many modern fullbacks are really good defensively? Evra was for a couple of seasons and Cole was good at defending, but most fullbacks these days are more wingers than defenders. (Evra's lapses in defense are just poor, so that is beside the discussion
Evra has always been good going forward but it's more to do with how well he links up with the winger than his actual contribution. His final ball has always been poor, it's just how well he creates space for the winger and how well he plays 1-2's. He not had that sort of partnership for a long time now as Nani has seldom played there and Young is terrible. Januzaj and Kagawa our best performers there both opt to carry the ball infield rather than get wide which makes all of Evra's attacking contributions pretty much redundant.
Spot on, mate!
Evra is struggling a lot with our current wide left options. Normally, as you pointed out, he had a good working understanding with Nani. I think Evra struggles defensively too as our left winger tucks in so much that they are more or less rendered useless as defenders. Either way, early crosses don't seem to work for us as we don't have strikers that capitalize on them.
That was a loan deal, but it may be that he is affordable. I hope you are right though, would be a great addition to our team.
A loan to prove his fitness and if he impresses then get him in the summer. This would be an excellent addition.
Coentrao doesn't convince me as great defensively for a LB (although I can't say I've seen him play at all since last season), but Evra has been poor defensively for a while now. He's great at bombing forward though. I wouldn't want him as our long term LB solution (putting all my eggs in the Shaw basket), but we definitely need quality cover there, to both give Evra opportunity to rest and as competition, so I'd be all for it if the fee is below £15-20m.
Agreed, shame we didn't get him at the end of the summer window really.
I reckon we'd be better off after this other lad, Concentrao. Probably more focused.
At the moment we should be happy with either of Shaw or Coentrao, Baines seem too expensive for both his quality and age.
There seem to be a few good young attacking left backs around - Alex Sandro at Porto and Alberto Moreno at Sevilla for example.
Good news if true. He's capable of covering in midfield as well if need be, as well as on the wing, doing both jobs pretty decently so he'd be a good signing. Would rather him then Baines as well, because he's 4 years younger, cheaper, and probably better going forward other then crossing and set pieces.
In the telegraph tomorrow they are saying the deal will be done. Good news if true, and would be surprising to see so soon after Moyes' comments
Did you get that from that Sam Rhodes twitter account? It's a fake account - he doesn't work at the telegraph and the profile image is a stock one.
Fantastic news if true. My hope is that Moyes will be pessimistic with the press but continue to push for the players he wants during this window. He can't afford to drag his heel till summer if he can already see that the squad needs refreshing.
Yeah, that account is fake.