We have Valencia, Mourinho rates him.
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We have Valencia, Mourinho rates him.
Who is a better fullback?
Semedo?
Well Valencia, for one.
Given that we tend to play a slightly lopsided system with a direct(ish) player on the left flank and playmaker drifting in from the right (Mata/Mkhitaryan), we need our right back to be willing to stretch the play on the on that flank, agressive at getting forward on the overlap and a good crosser. I don't think Fabinho really has the recquired skillset.
Semedo, Cancelo, Aurier, Ricardo Pereira, Henrichs would probably be better options (with the latter two also able to fill in at left back).
Isn't this his first season really playing #6 and hes been quite a good fullback for a few seasons? We we're going to sign him when we brought in Darmian.
I actually think he's a better fullback than #6. I am. probably in the minority in this and haven't seen as much of him as clearly most have on here.
I think that you just made a list for the sake of it. For example Aurier isn't better than Fabinho at least in France he has never been. Cancelo can't defend, he has shown it many times with Valencia, Ricardo Pereira is better going forward but far worse defensively. Semedo is close but doesn't have 3 solid season at a good level behind him, same with Henrichs.
And Aurier is shit offensively, he can't cross to save his life.
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Fabinho was regarded as one of the best young full backs in Europe before this season.
Yes he has been pretty good as a fullback, but he looks excellent as a midfield player. I just think there are better options out there in terms of right backs, but very few holding midfielders with similar potential.
I made a list because you specifically asked me to make a list. Needless to say, I disagree with your assessment. I'm also not especially concerned about the level of experience of Henrichs/Semedo, as they'd likely be understudies to Valencia for the next 2 years anyway.
I asked you to make a list of better players and none are clearly better while most clearly aren't. Or maybe I misunderstood and you put an emphasis on the more suitable part because they can be understudies?
So we're dropping who? Herrera?
You guys talking like we never rotate, how many games did Fellaini and Carrick get last season? It's not like Herrera and Pogba played every single game, there's plenty of opportunities to play Matic, Fabinho and Herrera with Fellaini and Carrick in a more reduced backup role
Matic and Kante are very different players. Matic sits back more and cleans up and distributes (which he had to do a fair bit of last season since he's better at that than Kante), while Kante roams around destroying everything. Whereas Matic and Fabinho are relatively similar. Herrera is our version of Kante (probably not quite as strong defensively despite the stats, but significantly better with the ball), so it's expected he'll partner one or the other. With that obviously unleashing Pogba to go wherever he wants.
Matic and Fabinho aren't similar, Tiago under Simeone is closer to Fabinho this season at Monaco.
Admittedly I haven't seen as much of him as you probably have. But when I say they are relatively similar it's in the same sense that I'd say Carrick is relatively similar to them. They tend to have a bit more positional discipline and sit a bit when everyone else is roaming around, while being partnered by another more box-to-box aggressive midfielder (Kante/Bakayoko/Herrera). Would you agree with that?
In that sense, you are right. Fabinho will have the presence of mind to put himself in a covering position unlike Bakayoko or sometimes Kanté. But Fabinho is more like early days Matic and Carrick not the later versions, he naturally plays higher and doesn't really sits. Also sometimes Bakayoko have been the one covering because when he actually thinks about it, he is also good in that role while Fabinho can do what he likes to do.
That's why I prefer the comparison with Tiago or even Gabi.
Any chance you could expand on what style/type of player Tiago and Gabi are? I'm not really familiar on them two and would like a lot to read something which can give more insight into what type of player Fabinho could be for us
I don't see how people can think Mouriniho isn't a fan. He saw enough to give him his debut at Real Madrid. I don't believe stories saying we aren't interested.
For Atletico, they have both been used as defensive box to box, their mission is to prevent any runs from the middle and push the opposition wide, they are also in charge of recycling and bring the ball from the back. They don't really sit in front of the defense at all time but they will defend deep when the team is in its defensive shape. An other interesting aspects, Monaco and Atletico* play a zonal pressing and marking, players only chase in their respective zones.
*Like Mourinho's teams.
Semi decent RB. I think he is probably a better RB than he is midfielder but if we are looking for a RB there are quite a few I would rate as better. Semedo for one.
Jose's fullbacks are weird choices. So I'm not sure Fabinho or Semedo would really fill his requirements. Valencia never really does anything, he's effectively a mindless drone who goes back and forth. Fabinho or Semedo will try and do something when they get forward so really Valencia is probably the best fit for Jose even tho I'd rate the other two over him.
It's what Jose wants and what works best for him.
Jose's fullbacks are weird choices. So I'm not sure Fabinho or Semedo would really fill his requirements. Valencia never really does anything, he's effectively a mindless drone who goes back and forth. Fabinho or Semedo will try and do something when they get forward so really Valencia is probably the best fit for Jose even tho I'd rate the other two over him.
It's what Jose wants and what works best for him.
No. We would still need another forward (preferably a winger) to amass some goals. Something that we sourly missed last season. Just have a look at our neighbours to see how much we are lacking in terms of quality and depth of attacking options.
We don't employ the same tactics as our neighbors so its pointless to make the comparison. I do agree that a top winger would help solidify our attack in the final third. Unfortunately, the choices are pretty sparse at the moment.
I know that we have a very different style of play. But you still need quality players upfront. Those who can take the game by the scruff of the neck. At the moment we don't have any. We have some good players like Mata and Mkhi. But we don't have a wow player, and Even Morata is not one of those. We need someone whom other teams would consider as a huge threat. Not sure, who ... But has to be of the same class as KDB or Silva or Aguero. And that is why I compared them with us. Plus my mates are city fan and they just can't shut up about their attacking prowess ...
Barring Alexis, there are no such players available this window, unless of course CR7 decides to move.
James. He does it for Colombia all the time, Madrid too when he gets he chance.
True that. And I hate this fact that he also fancies a move to city
. And we've not been linked to him at all.Can't get excited about him but let's see what happens.
Who's Jack Pitt-Brooke?
The independent hiring another click bait hack? He must have gotten some pointers from Miguel Delaney.
The independent hiring another click bait hack? He must have gotten some pointers from Miguel Delaney.
Probably but I agree with you and have seen enough of Monaco this year to come to that conclusion. He is a decent cm and a very good full back, for me certainly better than the list of other names somebody has just given
After 90 pages of hype about how good fabinho is as a cm Jose might see him as a rotational rb?
I still do not think we would sign both. I remember people thought we would sign Lindelof and Keane but, that does not look like it is happening.
An ESPN french journalist says that Fabiniho is inconsistent and disappears from games within the 90 minutes.Not a typical mouriniho type player. That might explain why he is not keen to sign him. Otherwise with 35 million affordable price tag, he could have been the first in line to buy him.
One of the most promising young reporters in the UK, to be fair. Comes across very well on the tele.
Promising in what sense?
He can speak well? He can analyse the game well?
Neither of those things would point to him having good transfer sources.
In that he's a very promising journalist with a good command of written English. He's also fairly comfortable on the tele, which is desirable in sports journalism today.
Just pointing that out, really.
It is weird that you guys judge journalists by how many transfer stories they break.
They usually aren't good for anything else to be fair.
There are a few decent ones that are worth listening to for their views on the game but they're the exception. The rest are rightly judged on what kind of sources they have and what exclusives they break.
Is this on? I thought there were reliable stories that we weren't interested not long ago
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