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Klopp_De_Klown said:
hold on a sec.

we know there is some interest form us and that he is interested in only coming to united(his own words)...
We seen that clubs come out and express there interests when asked as in DDG both us and Real or the unmentionable one:nono: at atleti. Especially when its off
The silence here is not an admission of a deal being done but it is a sign that nothing has been ruled out.

So if the deal was dead in the water, Player, or repasentives or either club would have more to say on the subject, but only if it was totally dead

I'm still not convinced its actually on but I do know 100% as of yet, its not off
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No you don't.
 
Summit said:
What Di Marzio said, was said some time ago. Things may have changed, the MEN may know something. Can't see why they would go out on a limb like this if they hadn't spoke with someone connected to the club?
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MEN is run by the rubbish rag Daily Mirror who are about 5% correct on transfer stories. A couple of years ago they led we were signing Ronaldo back. then we were definitely signing Fabregas etc etc.
 
STLCARDS said:
I sense a misconstrued contradiction here. It's not my dream XI. My dream XI at OT would be much more fancier. I just tried to make sense of our transfer targets and figure out what's Mourinho plotting.

And, you've yourself mentioned the top 433 attacks in Europe. The wide-attacker in 433 is not considered a winger. Whereas, the wide-attacker in 4231 is generally a winger and the wide-attacker in 442 is usually a wide-midfielder. Having two of the best shuttlers in Pogba and Herrera would allow Morata and Perisic to act as inside forwards rather than wingers. That way, we'll have more bodies inside the box. And, I see that most of us are considering Morata as a proper No.9. With his height, he can be a perfect 9 for Spain, but he's not physical enough to be the No.9 for Premier League. That's why, we are still going for Belotti.

Also, it is true that our attack in 433 doesn't look more glorious than the famous BBC or MSN. But, what makes a 433 work is not only the front 3, but also the mid 3. Take FCB for example. Even though MSN are prolific goal scorers, they suffered this season primarily because of an inconsistent midfield. Injuries to Busquets and decline of Iniesta saw them lose their backbone. Still, they scored the highest number of goals in Europe's top 5 leagues. In case of Real Madrid, with Kroos they had the best deep-lying playmaker and in Modric they had a formidable BBM. While Casemiro provided enough cover, the BBC flourished.

When I say our 433 is going to be the most formidable, it is because of midfield support. While Kroos is a terrific passer, he is not as mobile as Pogba. And I feel Herrera is better than Modric. Of course, if we had MSN or BBC or at least Griezmann, we'd be much better. But with a midfield like ours and the strong defense that we already have, the attack that Mourinho seems to be going for (PBM), is enough to be formidable.
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You clearly said "If all this happens, next season would be a dream at the Theatre of Dreams".

There are other targets that realistically we can sign. Top class winger or attacker and with great potential and fear factor like Dembele from Dortmund will be better option than decent player like Perisic in 433 formation or may be switch formation to 352 which suitable to both Rashford and Pogba in 3 man midfield and two strikers by signing 2016/2017 top class left wing back like Mendy.

That's what I call a dream at the Theatre of Dreams which also can be considered realistic.

I just can't see how you are trying to plot Mourinho's plan if you consider Shaw in our XI when Darmian and Blind have been our regular left back last season. I won't even rule out Mourinho's plan on Fellaini, every season we rule him out from manager's plan he always end up in the manager's key plan.

I think you are mixing what you wanted and hoping with our transfer targets not with what's Mourinho's plotting. There are too many possibility at the moment.

Like I said before the combination of that front three lacks of fear factor in my opinion, and as a top club we need to bring that fear factor back by signing players who have the fear factor. Players like Rashford, Pogba and Fellaini were our most dangerous players that other clubs fear about (but they were inconsistent). At the moment I don't see Perisic and Mkhy are players with fear factor and killing instinct. That's why I am still not too confident with that front three.
 
Hope Jose has watched Dier's last couple of games. A poor player who has been second choice in Spurs' midfield too. I would hate for us to spend a fortune on him, when there is a clearly superior player who seemingly is quite affordable.
 
Mike09 said:
You clearly said "If all this happens, next season would be a dream at the Theatre of Dreams".

There are other targets that realistically we can sign. Top class winger or attacker and with great potential and fear factor like Dembele from Dortmund will be better option than decent player like Perisic in 433 formation or may be switch formation to 352 which suitable to both Rashford and Pogba in 3 man midfield and two strikers by signing 2016/2017 top class left wing back like Mendy.

That's what I call a dream at the Theatre of Dreams which also can be considered realistic.

I just can't see how you are trying to plot Mourinho's plan if you consider Shaw in our XI when Darmian and Blind have been our regular left back last season. I won't even rule out Mourinho's plan on Fellaini, every season we rule him out from manager's plan he always end up in the manager's key plan.

I think you are mixing what you wanted and hoping with our transfer targets not with what's Mourinho's plotting. There are too many possibility at the moment.

Like I said before the combination of that front three lacks of fear factor in my opinion, and as a top club we need to bring that fear factor back by signing players who have the fear factor. Players like Rashford, Pogba and Fellaini were our most dangerous players that other clubs fear about (but they were inconsistent). At the moment I don't see Perisic and Mkhy are players with fear factor and killing instinct. That's why I am still not too confident with that front three.
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Yes, I said next season would be a dream at the Theatre of Dreams. That doesn't extrapolate to a Dream XI. A dream at OT would be to win the league and if possible, the treble again. To realize that dream, we don't need a Dream XI. Of course, there are other realistic targets. You've mentioned Dembele. But, we weren't associated with him in the rumours. If instead of Perisic, we were strongly associated with any other player, let's say James Rodriguez, I'd try to make sense of what Mourinho's plotting with him. Then, I'd probably say that we are going for a 4231 by signing such a number 10. I actually hate James Rodriguez and am not a big fan of buying Perisic either. I am sure they have their own good qualities and I'd prefer to see only those things if and when they sign for our club. In fact, I tried to be as little subjective as possible while writing that post. I considered Shaw in our XI based on the same reasoning with which I considered Perisic/Morata/Belotti/Fabinho/Lindelof. It is based on potential. Shaw's previous performances tell us that he's got the ability to be the first-choice left-back for us and that's why I feel Mourinho is not selling him. If he is not our first-choice full-back, by now we'd also be strongly associated with another left-back in the market. Come on, I'd want and hope for Neymar/Bale/Griezmann at OT. Why would I hope or want some old winger as a wide-attacker? As for the fear factor, you yourself have mentioned that Rashford/Pogba/Fellaini were our most dangerous players that other clubs feared. If clubs were wary of a mediocre player like Fellaini, then they'd be absolutely terrified by whomsoever Mourinho's planning to buy. And, he's buying only consistent performers. So, I'd be optimistic about that, if not excited, at the least.
 
So here we have a player that thinks all the boxes for us and his addition would help the team itself out massively. One of the best in the world in his position. Cheap considering today's market and admires United.

Surely we HAVE to be in for him.
 
Seems to me people are trying to will this transfer into existence.
Last credible and concrete link was over a month ago.
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Dier is so overrated it's insane, Pogba and Kante absolutely schooled him last night.

If we are going to blow £60m+ on him the club need their heads wobbling.
 
I struggle to think of a DM signing that would be better.
I will be fuming if we line Chelsea's pockets for an inferior player.
 
Seems strange Mourinho passing all Mendes players' available. I got the feeling something's not right with their relationship.
 
Adisa said:
I struggle to think of a DM signing that would be better.
I will be fuming if we line Chelsea's pockets for an inferior player.
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Story of this window so far. We get linked to a top target and interest quickly moves to inferior ones after.
 
It's odd to think that we might prefer Dier over Fabinho. Fabinho is more mobile, has a better range of passing and is much better at carrying the ball forward.

Maybe Mourinho just wants his DM to sit in front of the back 4 and distribute short passes from our own half. If so then Dier would operate the role successfully. Puts more pressure on our attacking players to begin attacks though.

If we sign Dier then I think we'll definitely need another player to rotate with Ander and Pogba. Maybe Mourinho sees Pereira as that player
 
Natener said:
The muppet in me absolutely believes this is on. It's been too quiet on him with any other club, less City which seemingly ended couple of weeks back. Speculations usually come from agents feeding info to drive up interest. Hard to believe Fabinho isn't sought after given Monaco's season. Something must be working behind the scenes for it to be this quiet, most probably means it might well be in its final stages before news start breaking. Muppet logic all lines up. It's on. :drool:
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I like you :drool:
 
Android1974 said:
Seems strange Mourinho passing all Mendes players' available. I got the feeling something's not right with their relationship.
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My thoughts. At the end of the season, I thought the likes of Silva, Fabinho and James would have been routine business for José. Although, we didn't even get a Mendez player last season too
 
Android1974 said:
Seems strange Mourinho passing all Mendes players' available. I got the feeling something's not right with their relationship.
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We haven't signed a single Mendes client since Jose came.
However, I heard he was involved in the Pogba transfer.
 
dichinero said:
My thoughts. At the end of the season, I thought the likes of Silva, Fabinho and James would have been routine business for José. Although, we didn't even get a Mendez player last season too
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I have the feeling their relationship cooled off after Real Madrid's debacle and the role Mendes players' had on it. Can't remember if he had a big part of the action in Mourinho's second spell at Chelsea.
Adisa said:
We haven't signed a single Mendes client since Jose came.
However, I heard he was involved in the Pogba transfer.
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Yeah, rumors have it that we were trying to involve Mendes in our attempt at Mbappé.
 
unitedbhoy said:
It's odd to think that we might prefer Dier over Fabinho. Fabinho is more mobile, has a better range of passing and is much better at carrying the ball forward.

Maybe Mourinho just wants his DM to sit in front of the back 4 and distribute short passes from our own half. If so then Dier would operate the role successfully. Puts more pressure on our attacking players to begin attacks though.

If we sign Dier then I think we'll definitely need another player to rotate with Ander and Pogba. Maybe Mourinho sees Pereira as that player
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Fabinho is better than Dier in every single aspect of the game. Mourinho probably prefers Dier because he will want at least 1 English player in his starting 11.
 
Adisa said:
We haven't signed a single Mendes client since Jose came.
However, I heard he was involved in the Pogba transfer.
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Wasn't he involved in the Lindelof transfer too? At least when we tried to sign him in January
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Fabinho is better than Dier in every single aspect of the game. Mourinho probably prefers Dier because he will want at least 1 English player in his starting 11.
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Dier doesn't count as homegrown though because he trained in Portugal, so is there much benefit having him as our 'English' player?
 
To be honest, signing Fabinho would be great. He's a very skilful player and would be so solid for us defensively.

But if the rumours are to believed, then there's a possibility we're in for Dier. The amount people have been losing their shit over this is unreal. Mourinho knows what he needs and at the end of the day, Dier is not a bad player. Technically gifted? No, certainly not. Solid CDM? Yes, yes he is.

He was an integral part of the best defence in the league last season, he's the same height (1.88m) and same age as Fabinho (23). He knows when to push forward and has a bit of pace about him. He has EPL experience. Fabinho is the dream here, but the way he's being made out on here suggests he's some second rate Championship player, which he's not.

Trust in Jose, not the armchair managers.
 
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Should not jump into conclusions, its only june 13; but starting to think Mourinho will build "only" for EPL, not for the Champions League this season.
Brophs said:
I think he's really good, but if it's a why you're after, I'd suggest it might be down to the fact he may want a more restrained, more sitting-type midfielder e.g. Matic. From what I've seen, Fabinho gets around the pitch, whereas Jose has always liked someone minding the shop in front of the back four.

Hope I'm wrong, though. I think he could do a great job for us in there.
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Could not be the contrary?
Lets say, Mourinho thinks he can trust in Herrera as DM, so instead of signing someone like Fabinho, or even Dier or Matić, United is looking for a box-to-box to play with a midfield of three, and the media just dont know what they're talking about.
For example:
Naingholan----Herrera----Pogba
 
Camy89 said:
To be honest, signing Fabinho would be great. He's a very skilful player and would be so solid for us defensively.

But if the rumours are to believed, then there's a possibility we're in for Dier. The amount people have been losing their shit over this is unreal. Mourinho knows what he needs and at the end of the day, Dier is not a bad player. Technically gifted? No, certainly not. Solid CDM? Yes, yes he is.

He was an integral part of the best defence in the league last season, he's the same height (1.88m) and same age as Fabinho (23). He knows when to push forward and has a bit of pace about him. He has EPL experience. Fabinho is the dream here, but the way he's being made out on here suggests he's some second rate Championship player, which he's not.

Trust in Jose, not the armchair managers.
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I watched Spurs quite a bit this season (very entertaining), and I wouldn't say that he is a solid DM at all - competent, yes, but solid, not really. You don't need to be an 'armchair manager' to have looked at him in England shirt recently to know this, too. I'm fully in the group of supporters that don't want Dier anywhere near United next season as I don't think he is the player we need to move us forwards at this time.
 
Camy89 said:
To be honest, signing Fabinho would be great. He's a very skilful player and would be so solid for us defensively.

But if the rumours are to believed, then there's a possibility we're in for Dier. The amount people have been losing their shit over this is unreal. Mourinho knows what he needs and at the end of the day, Dier is not a bad player. Technically gifted? No, certainly not. Solid CDM? Yes, yes he is.

He was an integral part of the best defence in the league last season, he's the same height (1.88m) and same age as Fabinho (23). He knows when to push forward and has a bit of pace about him. He has EPL experience. Fabinho is the dream here, but the way he's being made out on here suggests he's some second rate Championship player, which he's not.

Trust in Jose, not the armchair managers.
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I don't want Dier because he's never going to be more than 'good' in my opinion. Signing a player from Madrid's bench is one thing, but we shouldn't be paying through the nose for someone who can't get in the Spurs team.
 
Crimson King said:
I don't want Dier because he's never going to be more than 'good' in my opinion. Signing a player from Madrid's bench is one thing, but we shouldn't be paying through the nose for someone who can't get in the Spurs team.
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He played 36 league games, 4 of the 5 FA cup games, and 5 of the 6 Champions League games. I don't understand that statement.
 
fabinho is a shiny new toy coming from monaco, who were the "hipster" team last season, but I would argue mostly due to a brilliant team set-up. mbappe, lemar and bernado were in my opinion the best individual players. falcao, glik and mountinho offered the necessary experience while mendy, sidibe, bakayoko and fabinho are very good players, but highly benefit from the coherent strategy which allows then to perform according to their strengths.

its kind of like s many dortmund players can not reach their level ioutside of the club. hummels and lewandowski had the necessary individual class, but kagawa, mkhitaryan or sahin benefited greatly from the overall team set-up. same holds true for dembele, who is a genuine world-class player opposed to aubameyang, who I predict will not shine in other clubs as he does at dortmund.

this video shows kagawa against monaco in both games. the holding defenders were fabinho and moutinho in the first match (the one right after the terrorattack) and bakayoko with mouthinho. I picked this one, because most of you guys saw kagawa play multiple times and can judge his quality fairly, eventhough moyes played him as a winger.

https://www.you-tube.com/watch?v=zZrIKa6-Guw

The point I am trying to make is, that fabinho is a very good player, but we will not be the strategic DM the system of mourinho required. like kagawa could not deliver while he was at united, he matches the quality of fabinho, while both play at team who are set-up according to their playstyles. monaco came from quick transitions from somewhat chaotic ball winning opportunities, those will never happen under mourinho in the PL. fabinho is very quick in anticipating those and move the ball forward, but i can not see him fulfilling the DM-role and Man Utd on the highest level. he would be better at arsenal or even madrid (like casemiro).
 
Carl0s84 said:
fabinho is a shiny new toy coming from monaco, who were the "hipster" team last season, but I would argue mostly due to a brilliant team set-up. mbappe, lemar and bernado were in my opinion the best individual players. falcao, glik and mountinho offered the necessary experience while mendy, sidibe, bakayoko and fabinho are very good players, but highly benefit from the coherent strategy which allows then to perform according to their strengths.

its kind of like s many dortmund players can not reach their level ioutside of the club. hummels and lewandowski had the necessary individual class, but kagawa, mkhitaryan or sahin benefited greatly from the overall team set-up. same holds true for dembele, who is a genuine world-class player opposed to aubameyang, who I predict will not shine in other clubs as he does at dortmund.

this video shows kagawa against monaco in both games. the holding defenders were fabinho and moutinho in the first match (the one right after the terrorattack) and bakayoko with mouthinho. I picked this one, because most of you guys saw kagawa play multiple times and can judge his quality fairly, eventhough moyes played him as a winger.

https://www.you-tube.com/watch?v=zZrIKa6-Guw

The point I am trying to make is, that fabinho is a very good player, but we will not be the strategic DM the system of mourinho required. like kagawa could not deliver while he was at united, he matches the quality of fabinho, while both play at team who are set-up according to their playstyles. monaco came from quick transitions from somewhat chaotic ball winning opportunities, those will never happen under mourinho in the PL. fabinho is very quick in anticipating those and move the ball forward, but i can not see him fulfilling the DM-role and Man Utd on the highest level. he would be better at arsenal or even madrid (like casemiro).
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Many wanted us to sign Fabinho last summer including myself
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Fabinho is better than Dier in every single aspect of the game. Mourinho probably prefers Dier because he will want at least 1 English player in his starting 11.
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Just thats a stupid reason to buy a player. I cannot believe Mou will have a similar line of thinking as you have.
 
Camy89 said:
He played 36 league games, 4 of the 5 FA cup games, and 5 of the 6 Champions League games. I don't understand that statement.
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The statement is he's back-up to Wanyama and Dembele when they're fit.

I think a fair few of those games weren't in midfield as well.
 
Forgive me but I'm pessimistic about this one. It just makes too much sense for it to happen - just like Kante did last season.
 
PoTMS said:
Forgive me but I'm pessimistic about this one. It just makes too much sense for it to happen - just like Kante did last season.
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Were we linked with Kante this heavily? Fabinho has basically come out and said he wants to move to United. Dont remember Kante ever doing that.
 
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