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by searched, I mean I typed in Fabinho to see if he was there, not actually trawling through each one!Fabinho
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by searched, I mean I typed in Fabinho to see if he was there, not actually trawling through each one!Ah okay. Didn't realise you could do that. I will say that I'm not as impressed now though.It's a boring Sunday, not much better to do
Shame! It was still more effort than any person should put in to be honest.Ah okay. Didn't realise you could do that. I will say that I'm not as impressed now though.
Okay cheers!
Or thinks he's older, having trained him while at Real Madrid, and not willing to pay what they're asking.
I think he doesnt need the phone call from Pogba, its united that need to be convinced of him.
D'ya think?
Very much so.
Fabinho is obviously friends with Martial from his days at Monaco. Nothing to see here folks.
Or thinks he's older? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Would love us getting him, but would very disappointed if Mourinho wanted him to revert to 4-3-3. I mean, that's going backwards, considering the free flowing attacking football we want. Even at Monaco he plays in a midfield two.
Going backwards? Did Real madrid go backwards In their 433? When you are playing against top teams with a possession based style we will need a 3 man midfeild for better control because of the attacking quality some of those teams have.
I'm not so worried about those games against top teams, they haven't defined our last season. Besides, Mourinho always adapts the team shape reactively to them. I do worry about our easier games were we can't seem to break teams, basically most of the Premier League games, namely at home. For those, I find it conservative to go with a Herrera–Fabinho–Pogba, that's all.
I think the pennies dropped for me today. I think were not in the market for a defensive midfielder and Herrera has clamped down that spot due to how he performed there when asked last season.
I think we'll be going for Nainggolan who will play with Pogba ahead of Herrera when we play 433.
I think we'll be going for Nainggolan who will play with Pogba ahead of Herrera when we play 433.
It could be, but Mourinho is always worried about height, and Lindelöf is not so taller either. Fellaini had to go back and play as #6/almost third centerback against Burnley with Herrera on the pitch, you know?
You could be right. The biggest drawback of Herrera in the defensive roll meant it limited his attacking ability, however we perhaps wouldn't need his attacking ability if there was a B2B midfielder ahead of him equally as good as him at attacking.
That would be great, but prying Nainggolan away from Roma will be a tough ask.
Nainggolan or Bakayoko look like the real targets to complete our first choice midfield.
Herrera
Nainggolan/Bakayoko Pogba
Nainggolan/Bakayoko Pogba
Radja all day long. However, Bakayoko has youth on his side.
It's not so much the players but how they are employed within any given system. We could play that 3 and just give Pogba far more license to get forward ahead of Herrera and Fabinho. Or if that's still not daring enough for you, play Pogba and Mata/Mki ahead of Fabinho.
In those games you need players in advanced positions with vision who can regularly pick out passes to the front 3 and be prepared to make late runs into the box, and occasionally go in advance of the CF. Mata/Mki and Pogba would ideal for that type of game, (especially now Lukaku will push back CB's and create more space for them to operate in) and Fabinho still provides some cover by shielding the CB's. Some moan about playing any DM at home to lower clubs, but i think it is sensible if your other midfielders are mostly attacking. Well, we wanted more excitement at OT and more goal threat, and im certain that would provide some! Although not a midfield for the fainthearted though admittedly, and one
I just can't imagine Mourinho enjoying watching anywhere near as much as the fans probably would.
You can only do that in 4-2-3-1, dropping one of Fabinho or Herrera. Or in a 4-4-2 diamond.It's not so much the players but how they are employed within any given system. We could play that 3 and just give Pogba far more license to get forward ahead of Herrera and Fabinho. Or if that's still not daring enough for you, play Pogba and Mata/Mki ahead of Fabinho.
Well, we wanted more excitement at OT and more goal threat, and im certain that would provide some! Although not a midfield for the fainthearted though admittedly, and one
I just can't imagine Mourinho enjoying watching anywhere near as much as the fans probably would.
Why's that? Mata/Mki means Mata or Mki, and yes Herrera would have to be dropped...... for at least 45mins anyway!
Fabinho
Mata Pogba
Rashford Lukaku Mki
Im not against or for any system in particular tbh, they all have their benefits and downsides, and all roles can be tweaked slightly within each to better fit the types of players at your disposal. See Chelsea winning the title due to a change to a fairly rare 3-4-3. Certainly made a huge difference to how they performed with mostly the same players employed in slightly different roles.
But for us to have more potent attacking threat, we need far more emphasis on giving creative players with an eye for goal more license to get forward and place less defensive restrictions upon them.
Mourinho has yet to play Mata in the midfield of a 4-3-3, that's why I wasn't seeing it.Why's that? Mata/Mki means Mata or Mki, and yes Herrera would have to be dropped...... for at least 45mins anyway!
Fabinho
Mata Pogba
Rashford Lukaku Mki
Im not against or for any system in particular tbh, they all have their benefits and downsides, and all roles can be tweaked slightly within each to better fit the types of players at your disposal. See Chelsea winning the title due to a change to a fairly rare 3-4-3. Certainly made a huge difference to how they performed with mostly the same players employed in slightly different roles.
But for us to have more potent attacking threat, we need far more emphasis on giving creative players with an eye for goal more license to get forward and place less defensive restrictions upon them.
I've always found this idea of 433 being defensive weird. You're not alone as there are a few who seem to mention it's too defensive.
It depends on how it's deployed of course but Barca playing it effectively had 7 men forward attacking. You end up with 3 in your box backed by two attacking mods, let's say Herrera and Pogba then your two fullbacks pushed right up so they are more like wingers in an attacking phase Shaw and Valencia then you have your DM sort of slipping back to make it a back 3. Effectively it becomes a 343 or 2143. In no way is that defensive in my mind.
However it's Jose, so he'll find a way. I view 433 as more attacking than 4231 easily.
You're completely right… except for Mourinho. It's weird for others, maybe, but for him it was standard practice last season to feature 4-3-3 defensively and 4-2-3-1 more attackingly. Is he going to change that without adding a more attacking #8, like Nainggolan (or a #10 who's used to play in a midfield three, like James), I really doubt it and sincerely hope not.
My theory is he sees him as a RB and thinks we are okay there with Tony V etc
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Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 often has a more defensive fullback on one side to make up for the lack of DM. I'd rather have a 4-3-3 with greater fluidity.
Or his usual 4231 with Herrera defensive, Pogba playmaker, and James/Mata/Mkhi as 10.
Think I'd prefer Fabinho behind Herrera and Pogba in 433 though.
He's been excellent as a midfielder, so I don't think that's the reason. On top, we looked at other RB or at least were linked in the past since Valencia is not the youngest anymore
Haven't noticed such pattern at all, in fact, just checked our last games of the season and Shaw, Blind and Young all featured as leftbacks with Valencia in 4-2-3-1.
Then he just must not fancy him or theres other issues with a deal for him
If we only knew... But we are not linked with any midfielders really so I wonder
Interesting. Wasn't there some quote attributed to Fabinho about seeing himself as a RB? I may have misread this though.
I know Jose didnt play him much at Madrid but he would have seen him up close.
Didn't Jose give him his debut at Madrid too?
Not only that, but Mourinho dispatched Carvajal to Germany in order to privilege Mendes' Fabinho.
Really? So he gave him his debut and favored him over Carvajal. He must rate him then, but possibly only as a RB. Which may offer some insight as to why we haven't gone for him as a DM.
In all honestly he makes 4231 really defensive and they all really become the same shape with only 2 players given any real sort of freedom and even then the guy behind the striker is tasked with lots of defensive duties. Basically whatever shape Jose plays always ends up a 45-------1 with an isolated CF. we saw it to the extreme last year when it was 631 for a lot of our play but then it's just Joses way of playing.
Apart from when the kids played on the last day the best football we played was when Jose figured out we had Carrick and that in a 3 he would allow Pogba freedom. We in my opinion started playing better.
This. Naingollan will take our MF where it needs to be almost instantly.
Reports he is Atletico bound, maybe Matic it is so.
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