F1 2024 Season

ArjenIsM3 said:
Yes there are plenty of groups who swear, but is any group as well known for it as rappers? Most of them have done their best to create their whole image around swearing, insulting others, picking fights through diss tracks, talking about fecking bitches and getting money. It's their brand. Dealing drugs, violence, even killing people, it all features heavily in the rap scene. This is not true for comedians or footballers. And so it's not illogical for MBS to use rappers as an example of what he doesn't want in F1. You say rappers are intrinsically linked to a race, while that might be true for some I think for a lot of people Eminem is one of the first to pop into their heads as he's probably the most well known and successful rapper of the past 20 years. And he's not the only one. So for me rappers does not equal black people even if they're obviously the majority and it's clear MBS didn't intend have any bad intentions when he said this either. To me, saying he introduced a racially charged element is far fetched at best. Not everything needs to be made about race and to me this is one of those things.
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Could have said actors, could have said biker gangs, could have said inmates. Should have said nothing.

First the jewellery, now this nonsense. The man is overbearing and out of his depth.
 
SilentWitness said:
That's if you consider swearing bad behaviour. It doesn't necessarily equate to that.

It's a poor explanation and the other stuff is irrelevant.

Swearing is not an exclusive trait to one group, it's prominent in all levels of society and profession.

If they consider it bad behaviour/something they don't want in F1, they could have just said just that.

'We don't want our drivers swearing and want to clamp down on it as it's a family sport.'

Done. No need to make any reference to any group of people. It's right to question why.

It's like when footballers get tattoos or jewellery and they're suddenly now living a rapper lifestyle, despite again, both things being prominent at all levels of society and profession.
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Well where I'm from it generally is, there's a reason kids are taught not to swear and are told off if they do. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't swear. I personally don't mind drivers swearing in the heat of the moment and I don't want it to be banned but I can see where MBS is coming from.

Swearing is not an exclusive trait to one group no, no he didn't have to use any one group to make his point, and yes he could have gotten his point across in different ways. This is obviously true for most statements. But like I said rappers are well known for swearing a lot, they basically use it to build their image, and so I don't find it strange that he referenced them, don't think it was disingenuous. And I don't think it was racially motivated which is what Hamilton suggests.

Abizzz said:
Could have said actors, could have said biker gangs, could have said inmates. Should have said nothing.

First the jewellery, now this nonsense. The man is overbearing and out of his depth.
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Actors, really? Biker gangs, inmates or criminals in general sure (though then he would probably be ridiculed for suggesting that swearing is criminal behaviour or something :lol:), but actors?

The man is definitely out of his depth we can agree on that. I never understood why he got the position and he's not exactly done a good job either yet he's still there.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Swearing is not an exclusive trait to one group no, no he didn't have to use any one group to make his point, and yes he could have gotten his point across in different ways. This is obviously true for most statements. But like I said rappers are well known for swearing a lot, they basically use it to build their image, and so I don't find it strange that he referenced them, don't think it was disingenuous. And I don't think it was racially motivated which is what Hamilton suggests.
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It's a dog whistling type comment.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Actors, really? Biker gangs, inmates or criminals in general sure (though then he would probably be ridiculed for suggesting that swearing is criminal behaviour or something :lol:), but actors?

The man is definitely out of his depth we can agree on that. I never understood why he got the position and he's not exactly done a good job either yet he's still there.
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Glad we can agree on that part. Rappers are playing a act much like Pacino did in Scarface 98% of the time. Either that or they die quickly.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Do you guys just want to love anything and everything about Hamilton? And anything he says? It's not going to kill you if you occasionally disagree with Hamilton..

Sigh. These kind of remarks are just lazy. Also, I don't like how these days any kind of disagreement is often described as "hate". It kills conversations.

Yes there are plenty of groups who swear, but is any group as well known for it as rappers? Most of them have done their best to create their whole image around swearing, insulting others, picking fights through diss tracks, talking about fecking bitches and getting money. It's their brand. Dealing drugs, violence, even killing people, it all features heavily in the rap scene. This is not true for comedians or footballers. And so it's not illogical for MBS to use rappers as an example of what he doesn't want in F1. You say rappers are intrinsically linked to a race, while that might be true for some I think for a lot of people Eminem is one of the first to pop into their heads as he's probably the most well known and successful rapper of the past 20 years. And he's not the only one. So for me rappers does not equal black people even if they're obviously the majority and it's clear MBS didn't intend have any bad intentions when he said this either. To me, saying he introduced a racially charged element is far fetched at best. Not everything needs to be made about race and to me this is one of those things.
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Rap is black music whether Eminem is the first or last thing that pops into your head, and it's just intellectually dishonest trying to use him to show that it maybe sorta isn't.

Also, how is it clear that MSB didn't have bad intentions when he said this?
 
Leg-End said:
I reckon I've been posting in F1 threads here since I started, god I'm old, but it's been this way for a long time now, used to be a great thread to get involved in, mostly for on track issues and general disagreements.

I've definitely been guilty of standing by an incorrect opinion, heated comments whilst watching, perhaps being overly defensive of my favourites. But genuinely now certain drivers could do nothing right, the smallest little comments or detail and it's just hate......and don't even think about defending a driver or worse still make a comment toward their favourite driver, waste of time.
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Agreed, it’s definitely Hamilton’s fault, he’s just the worst.
 
Red Bull look absolutely nowhere. Wont be surprised if they dont make Q3 again
 
There's just been a massive storm here tonight and high chance there'll be more over the weekend, which could make it interesting...or not if they suspend.
 
Hope it fecking washes away that embarrassment of an fia president.
 
BREAKING| McLaren must modify Baku wings:

- Red Bull's protest against McLaren's rear wing used in Baku has been successful ✅.

The flap edges were found to bend at high speeds, which violated the regulations.

- The FIA has now instructed McLaren to make specific modifications to the wing, particularly in the area where the flap bends upwards from a certain speed, as seen in videos that surfaced online.

- McLaren was informed late on Thursday before the Singapore GP that they need to make changes at two defined points on the wing. This follows debates between Red Bull, Ferrari, and the FIA.

- Red Bull calculated that McLaren gained an advantage of one to two-tenths per lap due to the issue, as the gap between the rear wing elements increased without the DRS being activated.

- Initially, the FIA did not act, as McLaren passed all stress tests and did not appear to gain a significant advantage. However, it was later determined that the gap between the main blade and the flap must remain consistent at all times, which was not the case.

- McLaren will now stiffen the wing at the appropriate points to maintain its shape, though the changes will not affect the next few races in Singapore, Austin, and Mexico.

- McLaren will not face any retroactive penalties, despite Red Bull pushing for such a measure. There is video evidence of similar infractions at Spa and Monza.

- Christian Horner confirmed that McLaren will not be allowed to use the disputed wing at the upcoming race in Las Vegas.

VIA: [#AMuS : https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-heckfluegel-mclaren-verbot/ ]
 
pauldyson1uk said:
BREAKING| McLaren must modify Baku wings:

- Red Bull's protest against McLaren's rear wing used in Baku has been successful ✅.

The flap edges were found to bend at high speeds, which violated the regulations.

- The FIA has now instructed McLaren to make specific modifications to the wing, particularly in the area where the flap bends upwards from a certain speed, as seen in videos that surfaced online.

- McLaren was informed late on Thursday before the Singapore GP that they need to make changes at two defined points on the wing. This follows debates between Red Bull, Ferrari, and the FIA.

- Red Bull calculated that McLaren gained an advantage of one to two-tenths per lap due to the issue, as the gap between the rear wing elements increased without the DRS being activated.

- Initially, the FIA did not act, as McLaren passed all stress tests and did not appear to gain a significant advantage. However, it was later determined that the gap between the main blade and the flap must remain consistent at all times, which was not the case.

- McLaren will now stiffen the wing at the appropriate points to maintain its shape, though the changes will not affect the next few races in Singapore, Austin, and Mexico.

- McLaren will not face any retroactive penalties, despite Red Bull pushing for such a measure. There is video evidence of similar infractions at Spa and Monza.

- Christian Horner confirmed that McLaren will not be allowed to use the disputed wing at the upcoming race in Las Vegas.

VIA: [#AMuS : https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-heckfluegel-mclaren-verbot/ ]
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Took the FIA long enough..
 
pauldyson1uk said:
BREAKING| McLaren must modify Baku wings:

- Red Bull's protest against McLaren's rear wing used in Baku has been successful ✅.

The flap edges were found to bend at high speeds, which violated the regulations.

- The FIA has now instructed McLaren to make specific modifications to the wing, particularly in the area where the flap bends upwards from a certain speed, as seen in videos that surfaced online.

- McLaren was informed late on Thursday before the Singapore GP that they need to make changes at two defined points on the wing. This follows debates between Red Bull, Ferrari, and the FIA.

- Red Bull calculated that McLaren gained an advantage of one to two-tenths per lap due to the issue, as the gap between the rear wing elements increased without the DRS being activated.

- Initially, the FIA did not act, as McLaren passed all stress tests and did not appear to gain a significant advantage. However, it was later determined that the gap between the main blade and the flap must remain consistent at all times, which was not the case.

- McLaren will now stiffen the wing at the appropriate points to maintain its shape, though the changes will not affect the next few races in Singapore, Austin, and Mexico.

- McLaren will not face any retroactive penalties, despite Red Bull pushing for such a measure. There is video evidence of similar infractions at Spa and Monza.

- Christian Horner confirmed that McLaren will not be allowed to use the disputed wing at the upcoming race in Las Vegas.

VIA: [#AMuS : https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-heckfluegel-mclaren-verbot/ ]
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Breaking? i posted about this at 4pm yesterday.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
And despite Lewis saying they would not get out of Q2 , there he is P1 in Q2
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assume it’s the track rubbering in and the times will keep getting faster. or they won’t. could go either way really.
 
Colapinto just 0.007s off Albon. Again on a track he has never raced on before. This is just incredible
 
Feels a bit disrespectful to Haas for Bearman to be hanging out in the Ferrari garage.
 
hobbers said:
Colapinto deserves a drive as much as Bearman or Lawson, and more than Antonelli, on current evidence.

No chance he gets one sadly. Only Sauber/Audi with a seat and that will go to a safe pair of hands like Bottas.
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politics in f1 was one of the reasons i never got a drive. talent was the other factor.
 
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