McLaren must have seen something in him from the early years, his move to them was a bit messy in the first place but they backed him / kept him happy since he has joined them. Either way I think McLaren are in a good place with this lineup, arguably the best pairing on the grid.
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McLaren must have seen something in him from the early years, his move to them was a bit messy in the first place but they backed him / kept him happy since he has joined them. Either way I think McLaren are in a good place with this lineup, arguably the best pairing on the grid.
Doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with the Aussie cricket team
Constructor titles for days but will be difficult to win a wdc with 2 #1s
How has Gunter gone from Team Principal to doing podium interviews ?
From the onboard it looks like his steering wheel stayed straight though
What a race. Brilliant.
Piastri with the drive of the year so far as well.
I'd need to see the replay again but the crash looked like Perez's fault
Piastri with the drive of the year so far as well.
I'd need to see the replay again but the crash looked like Perez's fault
I was also wondering why that voice sounded so similar to Steiner's.
Shame Oscar started the season quite slowly, or hed potentially be the top challenger to Max (who I think will still win unless he gets a couple of dnfs)
Russell did not deserve 3rd
By the same process that saw Haas going from back markers to regulars in the points.
It did, Perez was the one who drifted across track imo.
Nothing will happen though, pretty much a racing incident. Hard to really say either way 100% at fault
It's not a real sport though. It's like baseball for people who don't have the strength to hold a bat higher up.
Yeh it is a racing incident alright I agree.
He drove brilliantly and deserved that win.
It was weird, it looked like they both just kind of obliviously drifted towards each other, I'd be surprised if there's enough evidence to punish anyone but you never know.
Honestly my Superbru is so toast. Horrible form.
Mine is in the same form as Maxs red bull
8.5 points
would take exciting racing though over good superbru howeverWorth putting your money where your mouth is if you’re so convinced. Max is still a huuuge favourite. At this stage of the season a three point gain for Norris is a positive for Max, so I’d say Max is in a better position than when starting the weekend, he also has a much bigger margin for error. A DNF for Lando is almost terminal and Max can afford two, probably three, and retain a lead.
Not bad for a teenager.
The gap isn't closing significantly though, the last 5 races has seen Norris make an average net gain of 4.8 points per race. To suddenly have him as favourite is a little bit of hyperbole.
The problem for Norris is that he isn't winning races, he needs to be doing that to get the average points gain he needs. More so when Piastri and Leclerc look like having more race wins in the remaining races.
Verstappen is still the favourite and the bookies back that as well (1/2, Norris 3/1).
Id rather be in Max's position with 7 races to go than Norris's. Max is still the favorite by some margin. If the gap comes down to under 30 points then all bets are off.
Elephant in the room still hasn't been addressed, where did the dominate RedBull pace at start of season go?
Elephant in the room still hasn't been addressed, where did the dominate RedBull pace at start of season go?
Ocon, Gasly, Hulkenberg and Verstappen to go see stewards. Overtaking under virtual safety car periods (but after the race ended). Bizarre.
McLaren in trouble for pitlane infringement
Think the others have just done better with upgrades. McLaren have been spectacular, Ferrari's upgrades from Monza definitely look to be working. Red Bull trying these different floors suggest they are still looking for answers.
And yet, Max could still have been starting in the first couple of rows if he wasn't having these terrible qualy performances recently.
Yes I agree with you that Verstappen is probably still the favourite.
In terms of the RB pace, I believe it is the other teams who have caught them up.
Could have if he had a perfect lap, problem is with the balance in the car being off and very inconsistent you never know what the car is going to do when you push it so it's very easy to make a mistake
The chances are slim. For reference at 59 points it would be the biggest points deficit overturned since 2007 and one of the biggest in F1 history. That's why Verstappen is still the favourite for the title.
Norris got on the radio to complain about Max overtaking him (giving him a thumbs up) after the race under VSC while they were driving slowly. Hamilton and Russell would be proud. Why do English drivers always try to feck other drivers over at every opportunity?
Max finished second only three weeks ago and Perez was probably finishing on the podium today before the crash, so to claim the red bull is going to keep finishing 5-7th now is unlikely.
You seem to look at the worst case scenario for Max and best case for Lando.
Only reason Perez was challenging for the podium was because McLaren/Norris messed up qualifying and Mercedes (Hamilton especially, also due to starting from the pits) weren't that good today.
Rent free.
Piastri is quickle becoming a favorite. Great driver and seems like a cool, laid-back dude. Kinda hope he beats Lando this year, and if he doesn't he's got a great chance next time around.
According to an article in my newspaper yesterday, the Red Bull had floor problems already a lot the end of last year, causing a disconnect between front and rear behaviour. That's gradually become worse through their upgrades (well, downgrades) over the course of this year.
Previously, that affected Pérez much more than Verstappen, since Verstappen was better able to work with it and get top performances anyway. But it's by now come to a point where he can't compensate anymore either, which supposedly explains why their performances aren't as far apart anymore.
Apparently, the Red Bull floor is super complex, much more than other teams. And they also have a year or cumulative upgrades to consider to find where they went wrong. So there's no easy fix, it's difficult to pinpoint the exact issue.
I was thinking that leads to two takeaways. One, Verstappen has a decent chance of suddenly getting his car back. It's not a certainty by a stretch, but there's a lot of potential in the car that can be unlocked by the right fix, probably more than for anyone else. If that happens, Norris's current advantage might be largely gone again.
And second, maybe Newey got this wrong as well. He's been gone for a while of course, but if the problems really did start last year, then he was still part of the team when they started going down the wrong path. It's obviously impossible to actually know who's responsible for what exactly, though.
Red Bull created this problem themselves inadvertently. The entire grid expected them to evolve the 23 car design, but they went hyper aggressive with a new design by weisch and balbao, against the advice of Adrian Newey. Horner said a few races ago that they made the car too complex and need to go back to basics. I expect next year's car to be an evolution of the 23 car not the 24 car.
However until they resolve the wind tunnel discrepancy they are going to struggle. Those sort of issues can take 12-18 months to resolve. It too Mercedes nearly two seasons. Back in 2018 it took RedBull the entire season to resolve.
The car seems to be going towards Perez style of driving by accident (under steering), which Verstappen hates and is the opposite to how he likes the car to drive (over steering and correcting mid corner).
I get the competition caught up and RedBull's over complex design plus wind tunnel issues have got them into this situation, but I've not seen a team drop off this much since the brawn double diffuser.
Its absolutely fascinating to watch and has brought a championship challenge to this season that McLaren and Norris seem determined to feck up.
Exciting race, of course, but street circuits are shite. Another one next week, meh
Monaco gets away with it, because it's an iconic setting, but still, not great, really.
Monaco gets away with it, because it's an iconic setting, but still, not great, really.
Yeah, and apparently they get different data from the wind tunnel, simulations, and actual driving, and they don't understand why that's happening either. But they did say in the article that the issues did already start showing up at the end of last year; they didn't just start this year.
it’s called integrity and respect for the rules. wouldn’t expect a johnny foreigner to understand that though.
They all fecking do this. English drivers come on.
That was a super drive from Piastri. He's very good at defending, breaking the slipstream just enough and getting back to the inside line. Also kept fast pace while managing his tyres well, he's learned quickly to drive smoother than last year I think, very smart boy indeed.