if you could post link to article, i would like to read it. thanks.
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https://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/het...waar-ging-het-mis-met-deze-topwagen~b0f710a3/
The Dutch you can get translated, but it's possible it's behind a paywall.
Nah, sure most will get on the radio about a dodgy overtake or something like that if they genuinely (rightly or wrongly) feel they've been wronged, usually it's an emotional response, but the obvious trying to feck others over by backhanded whining about stuff like track limits from other drivers (usually when they themselves are the ones doing it) is something Hamilton was famous for while battling Max, and Russell picked it up quickly after joining Mercedes. Now it's Norris with this completely unnecessary whining about something that literally happens all the time, isn't dangerous at all and doesn't negatively affect him or anybody else one bit as the race is already over. There's one reason why you'd get on the radio about it and that's because you're trying to get somebody a penalty to your benefit. It's distasteful, at best. And this is coming from somebody who likes Norris. End rant
Yeah either that or Max is famous for using off track tarmac so much that they reintroduced gravel pits and locked down on track limits the season later...Nah, sure most will get on the radio about a dodgy overtake or something like that if they genuinely (rightly or wrongly) feel they've been wronged, usually it's an emotional response, but the obvious trying to feck others over by backhanded whining about stuff like track limits from other drivers (usually when they themselves are the ones doing it) is something Hamilton was famous for while battling Max, and Russell picked it up quickly after joining Mercedes. Now it's Norris with this completely unnecessary whining about something that literally happens all the time, isn't dangerous at all and doesn't negatively affect him or anybody else one bit as the race is already over. There's one reason why you'd get on the radio about it and that's because you're trying to get somebody a penalty to your benefit. It's distasteful, at best. And this is coming from somebody who likes Norris. End rant
Yes I'm sure they did that because of Max
Not only him but he was arguably the best at doing it. Max is a great driver and looks for any advantage he can get, if going off track is tolerated and faster he will do it. No judgement in saying that. If anything the likes of Lewis, Seb and Fernando should have picked it up earlier themselves when the tarmac was put down in so many spaces ~15-10 years ago.Yes I'm sure they did that because of Max
Nah, sure most will get on the radio about a dodgy overtake or something like that if they genuinely (rightly or wrongly) feel they've been wronged, usually it's an emotional response, but the obvious trying to feck others over by backhanded whining about stuff like track limits from other drivers (usually when they themselves are the ones doing it) is something Hamilton was famous for while battling Max, and Russell picked it up quickly after joining Mercedes. Now it's Norris with this completely unnecessary whining about something that literally happens all the time, isn't dangerous at all and doesn't negatively affect him or anybody else one bit as the race is already over. There's one reason why you'd get on the radio about it and that's because you're trying to get somebody a penalty to your benefit. It's distasteful, at best. And this is coming from somebody who likes Norris. End rant
This is proper tin foil hat stuff. Alonso also did it today after the race.
Thanks, managed to read it. Shame it's behind a paywall and in Dutch (for those of us who can't read dutch).
Interesting article, makes more sense of Perez struggles in latter half of season last year.
Singapore looks like being the key race for the title then. Norris has to win and hope the RedBull is undrivable around there. With understeer going into a corner and oversteer on exit and no fix at the earliest till Austin (race after Singapore), there's a chance the best Verstappen could do, would be 6th - 10th position. McLaren and Ferrari should still be very quick around there. Mercedes thermal deg issues might slow them down again. Singapore has been a weak track for RedBull under these rules and that's when they were rapid.
Personally I don't see how Redbull fixes this issue in a few GPs. Where do you begin when the front and rear are disconnected? Do you need to make changes to the front wing? Or the venturi tunnels on the floor? Or the beam wing? Or the rear wing?
I know I'll use my simulator to help me. Oh I can't cause there's a correlation issue.
This is going to be a rollercoaster of a 7 GP run in...
*puts on tinfoil hat* the gap to Max will close to about 30 pts and *suddenly* Red Bull rediscovers its pace.
Don't Red Bull anyway always do poorly in Singapore? So that should be doubly hard for them now.
I don't suppose Red Bull can properly fix their issues this season, but I suppose that, through a lot of trial and error, they might stumble into something that works well enough. Like, 'I have no idea what just happened, but nobody touch the car anymore until the end of the season!'
It definitely makes for an interesting end of the season. A very competitive grid and no idea what kind of Red Bull car will show up each time. Quite different from the predictability of the first few races.
McLaren once again under scrutiny for front and rear flexi wing.
Its probably perfectly legal and within the parameters of the legality box for the rar wing. Its F1 after all, innovation is the name of the game.
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Saw this on another forum
Which are the kind of things that will happen throughout the remaining races because it always does in F1. It’s fine, I understand the bias.
Lando definitely can’t afford many more weekends like that. I think if it was Lewis or even role reversal and it was Max in that McLaren, it would be far more of a 50/50, but I’m not convinced Norris is good enough to take 60 points off Max in seven races, even in a quicker car.
you were only too happy when the fia were changing the rules on the fly when the outcome suited you. you reap what you sow.
Saw this on another forum
I don't expect McLaren to keep fecking it up and as we've seen even if they practically start last their car is fast enough to easily get back into the points. Looks like they have the constructor's championship in the bag to be honest. Ferrari have been very good these last two races as well. Mercedes I don't really see challenging for the top spot unless they bring some updates that work properly but that car too has been faster than the Red Bull two races in a row. So if things remain the same for the rest of the season and Red Bull don't find anything, Red Bull are finishing 7th and 8th unless at least one of McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes mess up. Say each race one of these teams fecks up somehow which could well happen as you say, that puts Red Bull 5th and 6th. But you still need two of the 3 teams to feck up to get top 4. Then there's the fact that the next race is Singapore, a track Red Bull usually struggle at. I don't see them getting a result there.
I honestly think Red Bull are fecked unless they can fix the car quickly. There are some positive signs for Red Bull though. They've said Perez had a far better setup than Max this weekend. Max had much higher degradation on both the medium and the hard. Max also said they regretted making changes to his car between FP3 and qualifying because the car had felt much better in FP3. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. This pretty much fecked up his weekend while Perez was able to at least challenge for third. So as has been the story of the season it looks like the car does have some pace but they are struggling to unlock it. I think if they can get the car set up right I think it's at least faster than the Mercedes and then you only need one of Ferrari and McLaren to feck up to challenge for the podium. Then there's the Austin update that Red Bull hope fixes some of their issues at least. A lot is riding on that as well. So there's a lot of ifs and buts but there's hope for Red Bull at least.
As for Norris, I completely agree. So far he's not shown to be on the level of Max or prime Lewis. He's fast for sure but he does have a mistake in him. A bit like Leclerc really. He needs to cut those mistakes out for the remaining races to stand a chance of winning.
What are you talking about exactly?
Saw this on another forum
The red bull Reddit page?
Nah a Dutch tech website's forum, but yes it's obviously Red Bull biased
Ha ha I have seen it on Reddit, possibly after Monza.
I have to admit that I want to see the title go to someone other than max this season. If people think this place is bad for people falling out over F1, Reddit is far worse.
I have to admit that I want to see the title go to someone other than max this season. If people think this place is bad for people falling out over F1, Reddit is far worse.
Who are the ex-Mercedes employees?
Max hasn’t finished outside of the top 5 practically all season, so that should be your starting point for what might happen the remaining races. Norris has floated around the top 3 with two race wins all season.
I’m not saying Norris hasn’t got a great chance, Lewis would probably cut down this gap, as shown previously. But the reason Max is still a big favourite in the betting markets is the overall package. Current Car performance favours Norris, but history, experience, driver skill, lack of margin for error, points already in the bank…it all favours Max.
Not anymore, feel sorry for themIs this the same @dinostar77 who would be screaming bloody murder if Red Bull was under scrutiny?
In all seriousness any team who innovates with the rules should be commended.
Agree that Norris doesn't have the killer instinct that Hamilton and Verstappen have if the roles were reversed. They would be closer in points if they were chasing. Soap opera bullshit like McLaren did in Hungary wouldn't wash with either of them. Plus they would both turn the screw to 10 on their team to ensure WDC was put above any teammate parity nonsense.
McLaren and Norris will stop Norris winning. Though I don't see Norris bringing the gap down below 30 points.
Red Bull considering removing Newey from F1 support team:
- Red Bull is believed to be considering standing down Adrian Newey from his final scheduled F1 weekends with the team after Aston Martin's unprecedented unveiling of the still-under-contract chief technology officer.
- The 65-year-old is set to leave Red Bull, the reigning constructors' champions, for Aston Martin in early 2025 after nearly two decades with the team.
- The manner of Aston Martin's press conference, along with a Q&A session confirming Newey’s future role as managing technical partner, is thought to have unsettled Red Bull.
- Christian Horner, Red Bull's team principal, stated that Aston Martin chose to "celebrate" the marquee signing "prematurely," noting that Newey remains under contract with Red Bull until 1 March next year.
- Newey has already moved away from the design and development of the RB20 and is currently focused on the RB17 hypercar project, which was unveiled at Goodwood in July.
- Despite his departure from F1 design duties, Newey was scheduled to attend select races for trackside support this season, such as Miami and Monaco, which occurred after his planned exit from Red Bull was made public.
- His next F1 race weekend is scheduled for the United States Grand Prix in October. However, it’s understood that Red Bull prefers Newey to prioritize the RB17 project and potentially skip the Austin race.
- Red Bull is still weighing the decision, and whether Newey will attend the Texas race remains undecided.
#redbullracing
#astonmartinf1
VIA: [RacingNews365]
- Red Bull is believed to be considering standing down Adrian Newey from his final scheduled F1 weekends with the team after Aston Martin's unprecedented unveiling of the still-under-contract chief technology officer.
- The 65-year-old is set to leave Red Bull, the reigning constructors' champions, for Aston Martin in early 2025 after nearly two decades with the team.
- The manner of Aston Martin's press conference, along with a Q&A session confirming Newey’s future role as managing technical partner, is thought to have unsettled Red Bull.
- Christian Horner, Red Bull's team principal, stated that Aston Martin chose to "celebrate" the marquee signing "prematurely," noting that Newey remains under contract with Red Bull until 1 March next year.
- Newey has already moved away from the design and development of the RB20 and is currently focused on the RB17 hypercar project, which was unveiled at Goodwood in July.
- Despite his departure from F1 design duties, Newey was scheduled to attend select races for trackside support this season, such as Miami and Monaco, which occurred after his planned exit from Red Bull was made public.
- His next F1 race weekend is scheduled for the United States Grand Prix in October. However, it’s understood that Red Bull prefers Newey to prioritize the RB17 project and potentially skip the Austin race.
- Red Bull is still weighing the decision, and whether Newey will attend the Texas race remains undecided.
#redbullracing
#astonmartinf1
VIA: [RacingNews365]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/cn0e8g5eg4yo
FIA says McLaren wing legal after Red Bull query
Glad that decision didn't take too long, gives a bit of time for other teams to invest in the same. Wouldn't surprise me if several already have a wing design ready for production in anticipation of this.
Just noticed this on Sky Documentary, it’s about a Steve McQueen film about F1 that was never finished, sounds worth a watch.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12381962/
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12381962/
I think the same also, after Singapore the next race is the US 20th October, we could see new wings there.
Interesting that RB have removed fan livery to save weight
https://www.skysports.com/amp/f1/ne...cial-fan-designed-livery-over-weight-concerns
https://www.skysports.com/amp/f1/ne...cial-fan-designed-livery-over-weight-concerns
Hamilton last night accused F1 ruler Mohammed Ben Sulayem of introducing a ‘racist element’ after he told drivers not to behave like rappers.
Ben Sulayem, the FIA president, made the comment in an interview calling for a clampdown on swearing over team radios.
‘We have to differentiate between our sport and rap music,’ said Ben Sulayem, an Emirati and first non-European head of the governing body.
‘We’re not rappers. They say the f-word how many times per minute? We are not on that. That’s them and we are us.’
Responding to the comments to Autosport, Hamilton said: ‘I don’t like how he has expressed it. Saying rappers, is very stereotypical. Most rappers are black, so it says we are not like them.
‘It’s the wrong choice of words, and there is a racial element there.’
Ben Sulayem, the FIA president, made the comment in an interview calling for a clampdown on swearing over team radios.
‘We have to differentiate between our sport and rap music,’ said Ben Sulayem, an Emirati and first non-European head of the governing body.
‘We’re not rappers. They say the f-word how many times per minute? We are not on that. That’s them and we are us.’
Responding to the comments to Autosport, Hamilton said: ‘I don’t like how he has expressed it. Saying rappers, is very stereotypical. Most rappers are black, so it says we are not like them.
‘It’s the wrong choice of words, and there is a racial element there.’
Mercedes have their last big package of the season coming to Austin. Totto said Austin was probably Mercedes best chance of a gp win of the remaining races.
Austin could get very interesting bc isn't that also where Red Bull will allegedly bring their last big update of the season? I do think Red Bull is majorly fecked so far bc between Singapore being a common weakness, overheating that could play them parts in places like Mexico and the bumpy surface of Austin fecking with their already unstable package now ...it ll be damage control all the way to the end. Perhaps the only positive for them could be that if they give up on retaining the constructors title now, they may yet still barely cling onto the WDC.
I think Merc will still win a race this season though regardless of what Toto said.
This guy has been an utter clown since he was in charge, contributed nothing.
Danny Ric to drive his final F1 race this weekend. Being replaced by Liam Lawson for rest of races allegedly.
If they manage to solve the issue of the front and rear of the car being detached (airflow wise), then kudos to them.
Singapore could be the weakest weekend of the season for them. A punishing uneven surface, and a car that understeers to the apex of a corner and oversteers on way out of it. 19 corners in a lap around there. That will be punishing on driver and tyres.
Norris's WDC hopes hinge on this race.
How's that racist?
In my opinion associating unwanted behavior with a foreign culture is at least bordering on it. Imagine saying you don't want wife beaters in F1 because we're not all Sheikhs.