So do I. RedBull is so much better with degredation and I think max would have had it in the bag by being able to manage the tyres better. Perez just making excuses for being useless.
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A “disappointed” Fernando Alonso slammed the Australian GP stewards’ decision to sanction him for “potentially dangerous” driving, insisting his fight with George Russell was “hard but fair racing”.
The incident unfolded in the closing stages of Sunday’s race at Albert Park as Alonso and Russell battled for P6.
Fearing Russell's advantage with DRS in the upcoming zones, Alonso explained that he braked earlier at Turn 6 on the penultimate lap in a bid to boost his edge on the straight.
The unexpected maneuver caught Russell off guard, the Briton losing control of his Mercedes in the turbulent air behind Alonso's Aston Martin.
After reviewing evidence and hearing Alonso's explanation, the stewards deemed the Spaniard’s driving as "potentially dangerous" and issued a drive-through penalty, immediately converted to a 20-second time penalty.
This demoted Alonso from sixth to eighth in the final standings and thoroughly frustrated the F1 veteran.
https://f1i.com/news/503568-disappo...SiD1rhODsAtmqJqroOo7C2hZpJktEDcrub-grRk9L3IPw
The incident unfolded in the closing stages of Sunday’s race at Albert Park as Alonso and Russell battled for P6.
Fearing Russell's advantage with DRS in the upcoming zones, Alonso explained that he braked earlier at Turn 6 on the penultimate lap in a bid to boost his edge on the straight.
The unexpected maneuver caught Russell off guard, the Briton losing control of his Mercedes in the turbulent air behind Alonso's Aston Martin.
After reviewing evidence and hearing Alonso's explanation, the stewards deemed the Spaniard’s driving as "potentially dangerous" and issued a drive-through penalty, immediately converted to a 20-second time penalty.
This demoted Alonso from sixth to eighth in the final standings and thoroughly frustrated the F1 veteran.
https://f1i.com/news/503568-disappo...SiD1rhODsAtmqJqroOo7C2hZpJktEDcrub-grRk9L3IPw
Windsor hears in paddock: 'Perez has already extended Red Bull contract'
Windsor also comes up with a striking rumour. "I heard in the paddock area from various sources that are pretty reliable that Sergio has already renewed his contract for next year. In which case, you'd say, well, what was the rush?"
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/266710/windsor-over-sainz-at-red-bull-and-striking-perez-rumour.html
Windsor also comes up with a striking rumour. "I heard in the paddock area from various sources that are pretty reliable that Sergio has already renewed his contract for next year. In which case, you'd say, well, what was the rush?"
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/266710/windsor-over-sainz-at-red-bull-and-striking-perez-rumour.html
This can't be true. Better Yuki than him.
Really hope that's not true about Perez
Watching the replay, I see what people are saying that the race would have been more interesting if Max had stayed in it as Sainz was actually racing him - but was that only happening because he had the problem?
Can't remember the last time I saw a RB go bang
Watching the replay, I see what people are saying that the race would have been more interesting if Max had stayed in it as Sainz was actually racing him - but was that only happening because he had the problem?
Can't remember the last time I saw a RB go bang
Only way that may make sense is if Max may indeed walk after 25.
Then go for Carlos. Far too many drivers are better than Checko
Perez does bring in £50mil a year in sponsorship. Under cost cap that could be important. Also maybe him and his team have been loyal to Horner in the Red Bull civil war. Having one side of the garage on your side could be important.
I hope Peter Windsor has been fed some bull crap.
I hope Peter Windsor has been fed some bull crap.
Sainz has got an unfair speed advantage now.
Really don't understand what Alonso was thinking doing that, he was going to beat Russell anyway, I doubt it very much he was going to be passed in the last half of the lap after holding him off already. All very strange.
Has someone a clip please of the Russell onboard? I didn’t remember thinking anything of it when I watched the race replay. Granted I was not paying much attention by then!
Fernando Alonso responds to FIA stewards’ verdict in Australia
While no contact was made between the cars, the stewards’ verdict explained that Russell told them of his belief that “Alonso’s manoeuvre was erratic, took him by surprise and caused him to close distance unusually fast, and with the resulting lower downforce at the apex of the corner, he lost control and crashed at the exit of the corner.”
The stewards agreed, awarding him three penalty points on his Super Licence and a 20-second penalty that dropped him from sixth to eighth in the classification
“In the closing laps, George caught me quickly. I knew that he was coming, then he was in DRS range for five or six laps, so I was just doing qualifying laps to stay ahead,” Alonso said after the race.
“I wanted to maximise my exit speed from Turn 6 to defend against him. That’s what any racing driver would do, and I didn’t feel it was dangerous.
“It’s disappointing to get a penalty from the stewards for what was hard but fair racing.
“Still, I’m glad that George is okay. It was not nice to see his car in the middle of the track.
“This wasn’t the best weekend for us in terms of pace, but our race was well executed: good strategy, incredible pit-stops, great reliability.
“I think we probably scored more points today than our pace merited – but we’ll take that.”
Expanding further on the topic on social media, Alonso wrote on X: “Double points for the team and a better race pace than the rest of the weekend allowed us to cross the finish line in 6th and 7th place.
“A bit surprised by a penalty at the end of the race regarding how we should approach the corners or how we should drive the race cars. At no point do we want to do anything wrong at these speeds.
“I believe that without gravel on that corner, on any other corner in the world we will never be even investigated. In F1, with over 20 years of experience, with epic duels like Imola 2005/2006/Brazil 2023, changing racing lines, sacrificing entry speed to have good exits from corners is part of the art of motorsport.
“We never drive at 100% every race lap and every corner, we save fuel, tires, brakes, so being responsible for not making every lap the same is a bit surprising. We have to accept it and think about Japan, to have more pace and fight for positions further up the field. Thank you, team!”
Fernando Alonso issues firm response to FIA stewards after Australian GP penalty : PlanetF1
While no contact was made between the cars, the stewards’ verdict explained that Russell told them of his belief that “Alonso’s manoeuvre was erratic, took him by surprise and caused him to close distance unusually fast, and with the resulting lower downforce at the apex of the corner, he lost control and crashed at the exit of the corner.”
The stewards agreed, awarding him three penalty points on his Super Licence and a 20-second penalty that dropped him from sixth to eighth in the classification
“In the closing laps, George caught me quickly. I knew that he was coming, then he was in DRS range for five or six laps, so I was just doing qualifying laps to stay ahead,” Alonso said after the race.
“I wanted to maximise my exit speed from Turn 6 to defend against him. That’s what any racing driver would do, and I didn’t feel it was dangerous.
“It’s disappointing to get a penalty from the stewards for what was hard but fair racing.
“Still, I’m glad that George is okay. It was not nice to see his car in the middle of the track.
“This wasn’t the best weekend for us in terms of pace, but our race was well executed: good strategy, incredible pit-stops, great reliability.
“I think we probably scored more points today than our pace merited – but we’ll take that.”
Expanding further on the topic on social media, Alonso wrote on X: “Double points for the team and a better race pace than the rest of the weekend allowed us to cross the finish line in 6th and 7th place.
“A bit surprised by a penalty at the end of the race regarding how we should approach the corners or how we should drive the race cars. At no point do we want to do anything wrong at these speeds.
“I believe that without gravel on that corner, on any other corner in the world we will never be even investigated. In F1, with over 20 years of experience, with epic duels like Imola 2005/2006/Brazil 2023, changing racing lines, sacrificing entry speed to have good exits from corners is part of the art of motorsport.
“We never drive at 100% every race lap and every corner, we save fuel, tires, brakes, so being responsible for not making every lap the same is a bit surprising. We have to accept it and think about Japan, to have more pace and fight for positions further up the field. Thank you, team!”
Fernando Alonso issues firm response to FIA stewards after Australian GP penalty : PlanetF1
Alonso , from his own mouth
Alonso explained that while his plan was to slow earlier, he got it slightly wrong and had to take extra steps to get back up to speed.
The report into the incident added: "The stewards considered that they do not have sufficient information to determine whether Alonso's manoeuvre was intended to cause Russell problems, or whether as he stated to the stewards that he simply was trying to get a better exit.
"Should Alonso have the right to try a different approach to the corner? Yes. Should Alonso be responsible for dirty air, that ultimately caused the incident? No.
"However, did he choose to do something, with whatever intent, that was extraordinary, ie lifting, braking, downshifting and all the other elements of the manoeuvre over 100m earlier than previously, and much greater than was needed to simply slow earlier for the corner?
"Yes by his own account of the incident he did, and in the opinion of the stewards by doing these things, he drove in a manner that was at very least 'potentially dangerous' given the very high speed nature of that point of the track."
Formula 1: Fernando Alonso given penalty for incident that led to Russell crash - BBC Sport
Alonso explained that while his plan was to slow earlier, he got it slightly wrong and had to take extra steps to get back up to speed.
The report into the incident added: "The stewards considered that they do not have sufficient information to determine whether Alonso's manoeuvre was intended to cause Russell problems, or whether as he stated to the stewards that he simply was trying to get a better exit.
"Should Alonso have the right to try a different approach to the corner? Yes. Should Alonso be responsible for dirty air, that ultimately caused the incident? No.
"However, did he choose to do something, with whatever intent, that was extraordinary, ie lifting, braking, downshifting and all the other elements of the manoeuvre over 100m earlier than previously, and much greater than was needed to simply slow earlier for the corner?
"Yes by his own account of the incident he did, and in the opinion of the stewards by doing these things, he drove in a manner that was at very least 'potentially dangerous' given the very high speed nature of that point of the track."
Formula 1: Fernando Alonso given penalty for incident that led to Russell crash - BBC Sport
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What do you expect from Herbert being steward.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/01/f1-owner-liberty-media-announces-takeover-of-motogp
They've found another sport to ruin. Is Liberty Media worse than Al Quaida and the catholic church combined? Hate what they've done with F1 and now I am fearful for moto gp too.
They've found another sport to ruin. Is Liberty Media worse than Al Quaida and the catholic church combined? Hate what they've done with F1 and now I am fearful for moto gp too.
Did they ruin F1 or has FIA?
I think they both carry some responsibility. FIA for instance isn't the one pulling all the shenanigans with the track selection.
That's like asking whether Woodward or the Glazers are to blame for the past 11 years. No reason they can't work together in the enshittification of F1.
“complainant can’t confide in friends” claims complainants friend.
I didnt expect that kind of bottom tier journalism from the BBC but I guess it is the sports section after all.
| Japanese Grand Prix (all times BST) | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Date | Session | Time | Radio coverage | Radio start times |
| Friday, 5 April | First practice | 03:30-04:30 | Radio 5 Sports Extra, BBC Sounds and online | 03:25 |
| Second practice | 07:00-08:00 | Radio 5 Sports Extra, BBC Sounds and online | 06:55 | |
| Saturday, 6 April | Third practice | 03:30-04:30 | Radio 5 Sports Extra, BBC Sounds and online | 03:25 |
| Qualifying | 07:00-08:00 | Radio 5 Sports Extra, BBC Sounds and online | 06:55 | |
| Sunday, 7 April | Race | 06:00 | Radio 5 Live, BBC Sounds and online | 05:45 |
FP1 should be interesting as we will see the new zero sidepod concept for on the RedBull. As if they weren't fast enough already. Will be very embarrassing for Mercedes if it is the same concept and RedBull just nail it.
He may be a bit better than Russell. But to say he is miles better strikes me as an exaggeration.
Thought they weren't gonna bring that until the European races?
That would be so embarrassing for Merc.
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Not sure, we will find out tomorrow. Maybe they are concerned with Ferrari's pace at Melbourne but with these regs the chasing pack is normally dependent on the characteristics of the track at a given weekend.
New floor and beam for AM in Japanese GP.
How is that acceptable on a car to have pointed edges that will cause a puncture or could seriously hurt someone if it came loose and flew through the air?
New AM sidepods
i dont partake in your superbru league or whatever its called. But i wouldnt put either Mercedes high up the order. Dont think either car will make Q3 on saturday. Too many high speed corners where Mercedes ceed alot of time to Mclaren in Saudi. Never mind upgraded AM cars.
So sergant crashes the revised Williams chassis that albon damaged, in FP1.
FP2 was a rain soaked wash out.
Should hopefully lead to a interesting quality and race if the teams haven't got the cars dialled in.
FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2024 - PRACTICE 1
0507 Apr 2024Suzuka International Racing Course, Suzuka
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FP2 was a rain soaked wash out.
Should hopefully lead to a interesting quality and race if the teams haven't got the cars dialled in.
FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2024 - PRACTICE 1
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| POS | DRIVER | TIME | GAP | LAPS | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | VER | 1:30.056 | 18 | |||
| 2 | PER | 1:30.237 | +0.181s | 18 | ||
| 3 | SAI | 1:30.269 | +0.213s | 20 | ||
| 4 | RUS | 1:30.530 | +0.474s | 18 | ||
| 5 | HAM | 1:30.543 | +0.487s | 23 | ||
| 6 | LEC | 1:30.558 | +0.502s | 18 | ||
| 7 | ALO | 1:30.599 | +0.543s | 20 | ||
| 8 | PIA | 1:31.165 | +1.109s | 23 | ||
| 9 | TSU | 1:31.230 | +1.174s | 20 | ||
| 10 | NOR | 1:31.240 | +1.184s | 22 | ||
| 11 | OCO | 1:31.935 | +1.879s | 19 | ||
| 12 | ALB | 1:31.943 | +1.887s | 18 | ||
| 13 | HUL | 1:31.958 | +1.902s | 19 | ||
| 14 | BOT | 1:32.054 | +1.998s | 17 | ||
| 15 | STR | 1:32.055 | +1.999s | 17 | ||
| 16 | IWA | 1:32.103 | +2.047s | 22 | ||
| 17 | GAS | 1:32.277 | +2.221s | 23 | ||
| 18 | ZHO | 1:32.638 | +2.582s | 18 | ||
| 19 | MAG | 1:32.803 | +2.747s | 21 | ||
| 20 | SAR | 1:33.204 | +3.148s | 10 |
| Position | Driver | Team | Time | Gap | Laps | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Oscar Piastri | McLaren | 1:34.725 | 7 | |||
| 2 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:35.226 | 0.501 | 6 | ||
| 3 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:38.760 | 4.035 | 4 | ||
| 4 | Yuki Tsunoda | RB | 1:40.946 | 6.221 | 8 | ||
| 5 | Daniel Ricciardo | RB | 1:41.913 | 7.188 | 9 | ||
| 6 | Lando Norris | McLaren | 1:44.977 | 10.252 | 3 | ||
| 7 | Carlos Sainz Jr | Ferrari | 1:52.579 | 17.854 | 3 | ||
| 8 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 1:59.113 | 24.388 | 3 | ||
| 9 | Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 2:30.472 | 55.747 | 4 | ||
| 10 | Guanyu Zhou | Sauber | |||||
| 11 | Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | |||||
| 12 | Alex Albon | Williams | |||||
| 13 | Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | |||||
| 14 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | |||||
| 15 | Pierre Gasly | Alpine | |||||
| 16 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull | |||||
| 17 | Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | |||||
| 18 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | |||||
| 19 | George Russell | Mercedes | |||||
| 20 | Logan Sargeant | Williams |
That makes me wonder - was turning down the engine even a thing back in the day...say in the 90s? I can't recall. It obviously will also help PU longevity but i wonder then it it also explains why cars these days seem so bullet proof comparatively. Though having computers and robots assemble a lot of the parts with a lot more precision probably helps a lot too.
they had qually engines in the 1990s. literally only used for qualfying and nothing else. they also ran at 15,000rpm so werent the most reliable.
engine maps only came when ecu development matured around the 2010s i think.
That would be pretty cool actually. Get the V10s back out for qually with a bonkers crank speed and then switch back to the proper engine for the race.
this is bonkers, ferrari once used 17 engines in a race weekend at suzuka. 17! wtf?!?
ps. ive not listened to the podcast with binotto.
"...Continuing discussion on his involvement in engine development, Binotto said that the V12 engine that he only worked on for his first year was one of his favorites, almost exclusively because of the sentimental value of that period of his life and career. Speaking on this regulatory era and the V10 days following it, he discussed the massive number of engines – amounting to 17 for one notable Suzuka race – used in a F1 weekend...."
https://formularapida.net/en/podcast-binotto-on-career-ferrari-time-leclerc-schumacher-more/