Seriously wonder if Newey will walk if Horner gets the boot.
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Seriously wonder if Newey will walk if Horner gets the boot.
Yeah I reckon he walks at the end of the year, he comes across as a guy who’s there purely for the racing and doesn’t want to get involved with the politics, Ferrari sign him up….
I reckon there could be a good reason for the Verstappen rumours that he might go elsewhere, and that's most likely linked to Newey if he's the racer he seems to be.
I think the aim for Max Newey Wache and Co will be to atleast try stick these regs out at Red Bull.
No point tuning a good thing unless things are completely toxic and unsustainable within Red Bull.
But jumping ship for Merc in 2026 could possibly be quite a good career move.
Obviously it's anyone's guess who will nail the new regs but if I was betting on it I don't think Red Bull will build a competitive engine at the first time of asking.
Ferrari or Merc are my early favourites for 2026.
Different jobs aren't they? Brown is CEO and more commercial driven, versus Horner is a Technical Director? Might be wrong on that and can't be bothered to go check.
If Horner goes I think he'll be out the sport for a few years, before a team hire him once the buzz has dropped off.
Surely the allure of ferrari will be too strong to turn down if newey were to jump ship. Apart from kimi's lucky championship win, mainly due to mclaren drivers squabbling and throwing it away, no-one has delivered a championship winning ferrari since rory bryne with schmacher. Thats now 20 years ago.
It would be the crowning achievement of neweys career.
I haven’t really followed along, but is this still about the misconduct allegations, or is something else going on?
Probably depends on a lot of external factors. Is he bothered at this age to move to Italy? Language barrier might be an issue etc etc.
I'd day if he was leaving Red Bull it's 50/50 on wether he joins Merc or Ferrari.
Mercs the easy choice as it has no impact on his current life. Ferrari is the choice with the better storyline attached to it.
In regard to Max I'm kind of expecting Marko to quit towards the end of the 2025 season which will allow Max to leave his contract with Red Bull and join Merc. Just now there has been reports that their engine for 2026 won't be good enough to compete. Who knows if that rumour is true but it wouldn't be surprising.
Yes external factors would play a part. I thought ferrari offered newey his own offices and design team in UK so he wouldnt need to move to marinello during their offer to him before he re-signed for RedBull.
Personally i always saw ferrari as max's next move. See if he could do what no-one has done since schmacher i.e. bring consistant success to ferrari.
Also wonder how much horner influenced and blocked the Porsche / Redbull partnership. Maiterstiz wanted that partnership to happen as did Helmet Marko. Horner wasnt happy with Porsche taking 51% control. Maybe it all stems from that. You'd defintely fancy RB to continue to dominate 2026 onwards if Porsche were producing the powertrain.
According to information from F1-Insider, Horner would be sacked after all and before the Australian Grand Prix.
Several reasons are given by the German medium as to why Horner will now be sacked after all. For instance, influential women's rights activists are said to have called on the US market to boycott Red Bull. This market is very important for the energy drink. Furthermore, the Thai owners are said to fear that the woman in question will take legal action and the internal investigation will come to light.
The main reason for dismissing Horner now anyway would be because the Irish rock band U2 is getting involved. This is because the brother of the woman at issue in the investigation is the brother-in-law of guitarist 'The Edge'. The band reportedly wants to release a song called: 'Don't be Horny, Be a Christian'. The band's pressure with this with their mega influence would have persuaded the Thai owner of Red Bull to fire Horner after all.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/264375/horner-may-be-fired-from-red-bull-racing-after-all.html
There’s a Bono joke here somewhere, but I’m too lazy to come up with it.
Someone very powerful is pulling strings here
Is it a Christian or Helmut scenario where only one will be kept due to the different "sides" backing them
I'm not keen on the guy, but he sure as hell knows how to run a successful team, and if found to not be guilty of anything? Does he deserve to lose his job?
A lot of the messages were dodgy and if he was sacked because of it, fair enough but he was cleared so it feels like he's now going due to a power play which doesn't feel right
It'll be very interesting to see what Adrian Newey does - I'd imagine he's on a very very good salary
Is it a Christian or Helmut scenario where only one will be kept due to the different "sides" backing them
I'm not keen on the guy, but he sure as hell knows how to run a successful team, and if found to not be guilty of anything? Does he deserve to lose his job?
A lot of the messages were dodgy and if he was sacked because of it, fair enough but he was cleared so it feels like he's now going due to a power play which doesn't feel right
It'll be very interesting to see what Adrian Newey does - I'd imagine he's on a very very good salary
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I'm still convinced Max will be in Lewis' vacant seat in 2025
According to Verstappen’s camp on Dutch TV they said Newey is not tied to Horney’s camp. Newey is 65 and isn’t getting any younger. Can’t see him leaving for another team at that age, don’t underestimate the amount of work & traveling required as well as the pressure a chief engineer at a F1 team must go through.
True he hasn't but i have noticed that he has backed his Dad and Marko publicly in a way he hasn't with Horner. I think he's supporting them while they cause the trouble.
Exactly. Max was great years ago but still didnt challenge the Merc. Any of the top 5 or 6 drivers could win a title in that Red Bull. They dont need Max and he'd be mad to leave.
I think its completely nuts as an idea but I feel Max is getting a bit fed up with the non competition way he just wins every weekend. He might want to win multiple titles in a completely different team which would probably cement him as the goat.
Guardiola should do the same with us.
Sadly f1 rivalries are not the same because there's only one team with fans similar to football ones. So the concept of loyalty in f1 is practically non existent.
Would be nuts to take it in 2025.
Toto would do anything to land Max so the easiest way to get him would be offer him the seat for 2026 and hope the Power Unit numbers on Mercs side are vastly above what Red Bull are estimating to have.
Which by current reports Merc are touted to have the better power unit of the two.
Merc can and will put a stop gap driver in for one year if it gets them Max imo.
Horner sacked because of a U2 song is priceless but clearly completely rubbish 
https://www.gpblog.com/en/amp/26437...uld-be-a-reason-for-horner-s-resignation.html
https://www.gpblog.com/en/amp/26437...uld-be-a-reason-for-horner-s-resignation.html
Imagine if they put Mick in it
Isn't Sainz getting linked with Audi? He could do a year in the Mercedes before Max joins, fill a year before they come in, or maybe Perez if RB ditch him, or a young driver?
As much as max would be the no1 choice for the vacant merc seat. More realistic would be sainz or Alonso on a 2 year deal. Would mean that Mercedes still have time to bring antonelli through at 19-20 years old. Totto has said Mercedes aren't going to let antonelli slip through their fingers like they did with a young verstappen.Imagine if they put Mick in it
Isn't Sainz getting linked with Audi? He could do a year in the Mercedes before Max joins, fill a year before they come in, or maybe Perez if RB ditch him, or a young driver?
Fangio won the wdc with four different teams. No one else has got past two different teams. It's a helluva tall order to achieve that. If someone can, they are in with a shout. Might be possible for one of the younger upcoming drivers as they will have longer F1 careers.
Be pretty amazing if Hamilton can sign his career off with a wdc at Ferrari. Would only be 2nd to fangio then for most wdc with different teams. Helluva difficult accomplishment to pull off.
Wonder where that would leave Max if he does want out at RB - do Mercedes go for the slightly riskier option of the potential next Max, or the multiple champion?
The only option I can see if they do go for Antonelli for Max is Ferrari if Lewis retires, as surely the next tier of teams (McLaren and Aston Martin) have very good young drivers, or are too uncompetitive.
Interesting point above re Max's legacy - obviously he's one of the best but he's only truly had to go toe to toe with someone for one of his likely to be 4 titles. I think he would beat most teammates currently on the grid, but until we get to see it there will always be that question mark of anyone could win in that RB
But then at times you hear him speak and don't entirely get the sense he's got the same obsession of cementing his reputation in the same way say a Lewis does. He almost comes across as wanting to try other things and sees a world outside F1. I certainly don't think he'd go with an uncompetitive team just to stay in F1.
The rumours that Horner is to be sacked at getting stronger, now it seems that the RB main owners have changed their minds and want Horner out.
There is clearly a massive power struggle going on and if all the rumours are true, then maybe Marko and Jos have won the battle, would RB want to see Max going to a rival team and that rival could well be Mercedes.
What is happening off track is not effecting how they race, but it is affecting the RB brand.
Is Horner guilty of any offenses , no I dont think he is, is he guilty of being very creepy, judging by the leaked messages then yes he is, personally I think he is the victim of an internal power struggle, for what ever reason.
But this is far from over.
Red Bull owners hold crisis talks amid reports Christian Horner will be sacked (msn.com)
There is clearly a massive power struggle going on and if all the rumours are true, then maybe Marko and Jos have won the battle, would RB want to see Max going to a rival team and that rival could well be Mercedes.
What is happening off track is not effecting how they race, but it is affecting the RB brand.
Is Horner guilty of any offenses , no I dont think he is, is he guilty of being very creepy, judging by the leaked messages then yes he is, personally I think he is the victim of an internal power struggle, for what ever reason.
But this is far from over.
Red Bull owners hold crisis talks amid reports Christian Horner will be sacked (msn.com)
If RB and Horner and the above were transparent about what was going on then it wouldn't be a big deal that goes on from race to race but I suspect the lack of transparency (as with many other cases in the sporting world) is because they're hiding stuff they don't want people confirming as it makes them look like terrible people.
totally agree, this is a shitstorm of their own making.
Very good post.
We need to remember that Max became an F1 driver at 17.
And he is now 26. So he has been in F1 for some 9 years. Still not old by any means. But it would be quite understandable if he was beginning to think about other things.
I believe that he would benefit from a more challenging co driver and obviously more challenging teams. But it is what it is and the current politics can not help; especially his father.
Tbh all those rumours appear to be coming from one source and that source didn't seem very reliable.
Not saying he won't be fired but don't think the one rumour being passed around by different "journalists" means much.
As far as his guilt goes, I've no idea tbh. I'd lean towards guilty but then there was reports of the messages being tampered with. Do I believe those reports? Not really. But we will likely never have enough info to make a perfectly informed judgement call unless it goes to court.
Anyway at this point the internal struggle likely has nothing to do with Horners guilt or innocence. It simply appears to be a number of different people making moves to gain more power, control and money since Dietrich died.
throughout the whole debacle, red bull still haven’t answered the big question that’s been on everyone’s lips since the very start. was horner sitting down or standing up in the airplane shitter when he finished himself off?
I'm just waiting for Red Bull to be renamed Verstappen.com Team Redline
Their liveries are fkin badass so that's s plus.
Their liveries are fkin badass so that's s plus.
Street circuits are Shite. The only reason Monaco gets away with it is because, well, it's Monaco.
Max and Antonelli would probably be the dream lineup I'd guess. Let the kid learn from max. I can't see Russell surviving for long if Max joins Mercedes.
RedBull aren't run like Ferrari and Mercedes currently and that's due to materstitz and horner. It's what appealed to Newey originally. With both metersistz and horner gone, RB will become the same corporate entity as Ferrari and Mercedes. They will lose that uniqueness they currently have as a big team operating like a smaller organic race team.
They will regret sacking horner. Considering what he's achieved with a energy drinks company, it's pretty phenomenal l, even if I didn't not like the man.
Man is an accomplished cnut but extremely good at a race team management. This sort of perfectionism is really difficult to achieve for so long and they've nailed it repeatedly. Demolishing all this for ego alone would become one of the biggest self destructions in any sport or business in general.