So in the end Max kept the position running wide, 5 seconds for gaining an advantage ?
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Probably 2 for Charlesit's getting to that stage where we need a max DNF to really spice things up.
Team didn’t help with the “ahead at the apex” comment, personally if it’s 50/50 I would tell him to give it back and have another crack.
Ferrari 1-2! Get in.
As for the Lando penalty I guess it's correct by the book but still sad to see it go that way after so many laps of brilliant driving from them both.
The Swedish commentators were spot on though when they asked why they haven't added a gravel pit on the outside of corner 12. It's worked so well at other tracks and they know those incidents happens multiple times per race here yet they still keep it this way.
As for the Lando penalty I guess it's correct by the book but still sad to see it go that way after so many laps of brilliant driving from them both.
The Swedish commentators were spot on though when they asked why they haven't added a gravel pit on the outside of corner 12. It's worked so well at other tracks and they know those incidents happens multiple times per race here yet they still keep it this way.
Perhaps we need more gravel traps so people are properly punished for exceeding track limits?
Gravel after the fastest and top speed straight and a deep braking zone? One lock up and there will be problems. It’s that type of set up as to why they moved to run off areas.
The stewards just need to police this issue better where cars are forcing cars out wide for no reason. They apparently did so with Russell but that was the only one they saw an issue with, not even the lap one incident at 12.
The best anthem.
The star spangled banner?
Great race , plenty of action, did not agree with Lando’s pen.
Some cracking driving , Russell and Lawson did well and Colapinto
My fantasy is a mess , again
Some cracking driving , Russell and Lawson did well and Colapinto
My fantasy is a mess , again
A Ferrari won?
7 Superbru points 
9 superbru points however I'm floundering as much as Perez in the overall standing
A masterclass in defending by Max, top quality racing. Ferrari one-two was great to see also. The sprint race was great as well. Overall a brilliant race weekend. Formula 1 did itself proud this weekend
Looking forward to the day they drop off the pace.
Of course to be an f1 driver you need a bit of fire in the belly but I find Max a brilliant driver, but hard to like.
As a team they make a lot of mistakes. You only have to look at the daftness of Russell's penalty to know, today the stewards are not going to be lenient and allow racers to race. Therefore that move should have been immediately, given the place back. Go again at him, you have a few more laps.
Also McLaren deciding not to bring the floor upgrade to this GP was a big mistake. It's as if they want the constructors title, but don't want lando to be their WDC, they would prefer Piastri.
Lando doesn't help himself, too many mistakes.
Derek Warwick was one of the stewards today, he's fecking awful as a steward. Explains the bizarre decisions.
Russell asking if max got a penalty for forcing lando off the track
CH just called out Perez a bit there?
It's so clear tbh. Any midfield car does what Verstappen did there, no way they don't get penalized.
I really liked how he defended until that point, but really can't be getting away with that
CH reminds me of Klopp always whining to the stewards despite their teams getting the rub of the green with decisions
Think the difference was Max was the defending car in that corner whereas George was overtaking and I have tried watching it back but its not entirely clear to me whether George was actually ahead at the apex. Looked very close. Shouldn't really matter that much in my opinion but according to the rules it does. Thought at the time the Russell penalty was very soft anyway and still do. Should be overturned.
So are McLaren unfortunately. Stella, Brown and Norris are all regularly acting like cnuts this season. Hardly any likeable teams left tbh. Maybe Williams?
Agreed
So Lando’s shit house race craft is shown up again and Max bending the rules… just another week in F1
Russell was comfortably inside track limits and yet was penalized.
Verstappen brakes later and doesn't make the corner, that's the biggest issue for me.
Poor from Lando, should've give the place back and he should know Max is going to park his car off track when desperate so I would stay on track and appeal for a penalty as well and just overtake next lap. Such poor covering from Lando on lap 1, when Max is in that position he is pointing his car on the grid and stopping the inside overtake.
Sad to see so many opportunities and points lost for McLaren, if Ferrari can maintain being near the top, there's a possibility they could push Max back adding more to what could've been.
Sad to see so many opportunities and points lost for McLaren, if Ferrari can maintain being near the top, there's a possibility they could push Max back adding more to what could've been.
Stewards seem keen to gift Max yet another championship.
Fell asleep during the race. Watched the highlights now. Glad I slept.
That's why I asked whether Russell was actually ahead at the apex, because if he was then by the rules it would be his corner and he shouldn't have been penalized. If he wasn't, then by the rules the penalty is correct. Though I don't really like these rules because it severely inhibits racing.
For me, he is exactly as far alongside at the apex as Verstappen was with Norris by braking later than the other car. He makes the corner comfortably while Verstappen doesn't, and still Russell is the one who gets a penalty.
and just like that, its race week again, this time Mexico
| Fri 25th Oct | Start | |
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| Practice 2 | 11:00pm |
| Sat 26th Oct | Start | |
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| Practice 3 | 6:30pm | |
| Qualifying | 10:00pm |
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| Grand Prix | 8:00pm |
Think there is a decent chance that Ferrari get constructor's title and Max gets the championship leaving McLaren with nothing.
It's not what people want to hear on but with the rules the penalties given where correct.
The rules where also agreed with input from the drivers/GDPA.
Also can't remember what race it was but there was also a race earlier this season when Norris forced Max off making Max overtake outside track limits and Max was made to hand the place back despite being forced wide.
The rules where also agreed with input from the drivers/GDPA.
Also can't remember what race it was but there was also a race earlier this season when Norris forced Max off making Max overtake outside track limits and Max was made to hand the place back despite being forced wide.
Was it Austria? Can't recall either.
But yes you are correct. Because Max is involved it almost naturally gets blown out of proportion. Max is brilliant in the sense that he knows exactly where to push the envelope of the rules in existence. If you read into his comms right after it it makes it sound like what he did was calculated and that he knew the benefit in that situation would be his. We can argue about steward inconsistency all day long like we can with anything human subjectivity based in all sports - but they did appear to apply it by the letter in this case.
That people don't like it because they don't like the driver benefitting is irrelevant. I've seen some people instead focus their efforts on criticizing the rules, and that is the only thing that should be at question if you have issue with that happened. Top drivers know exactly how to push the envelope and it's a challenge for a FIA to determine how far they go into curbing that or not. As others have mentioned elsewhere - at some pt you risk making racing too sterile.
Imagine if one or both drivers would have ended up stuck in gravel there like was the play in some many track battles of the past. People would truly be screaming bloody murder. Many of those same people who say now that gravel is the answer.
A problem is that it isn't really applied consistently and/or the rules are too complex. For example, Sainz did to Max what Russell did to Bottas (think it was lap 1 or 2) except Max kept in front after going off. That wasn't investigated. Was that then because he didn't complete the overtake? He didn't gain from pushing someone off whereas Russell did? I don't know. There's so many of these situations, often several per race, and for me it often feels like a lottery whether there will be a penalty or not.
I really want Ferrari to win the constructors and Norris to get the championship for something different but I really dislike red bull and I also have no time for Mcclaren since they had trump in their garage.
No argument from me there. If the rules aren't applied consistently especially when the letter is followed and the other time it's not - it's not really a rule.