Ferrari could be very entertaining this year (yes, even more so) bc Im sure Carlos will have a point to make.
F1 2024 Season
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Latest timesheets @ 14:55
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 1.31.662 | C3 | 110 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | 0.822 | C3 | 38 |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 0.922 | C3 | 40 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | 1.284 | C3 | 27 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 1.412 | C3 | 24 |
| Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1.585 | C3 | 64 |
| Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | 1.723 | C3 | 77 |
| Oscar Piastri | McLaren | 1.996 | C3 | 57 |
| Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | 2.209 | C3 | 33 |
| Logan Sargeant | Williams | 2.22 | C2 | 21 |
| George Russell | Mercedes | 2.447 | C3 | 84 |
| Yuki Tsunoda | RB | 2.474 | C3 | 64 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | 2.769 | C3 | 68 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | 2.925 | C4 | 40 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 3.015 | C1 | 60 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 4.03 | C3 | 66 |
| Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | 4.244 | C2 | 49 |
| Pierre Gasly | Alpine | 4.753 | C1 | 35 |
Max casually driving about 600km
Latest timesheet @15:25
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 1.31.662 | C3 | 124 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | 0.822 | C3 | 52 |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 0.922 | C3 | 54 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | 1.065 | C3 | 32 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 1.345 | C3 | 34 |
| Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1.585 | C3 | 64 |
| Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | 1.723 | C3 | 77 |
| Oscar Piastri | McLaren | 1.996 | C3 | 57 |
| Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | 2.209 | C3 | 47 |
| Logan Sargeant | Williams | 2.22 | C2 | 21 |
| Pierre Gasly | Alpine | 2.278 | C1 | 45 |
| George Russell | Mercedes | 2.447 | C3 | 101 |
| Yuki Tsunoda | RB | 2.474 | C3 | 64 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | 2.769 | C3 | 68 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | 2.925 | C4 | 40 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 3.015 | C1 | 60 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 4.03 | C3 | 66 |
| Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | 4.244 | C2 | 63 |
Wolff feels Mercedes in 'ok place' over front wing
One of the talking points from today has been Mercedes' unique front-wing design and whether or not it might prove controversial.
As is usual for things that are innovative in F1, teams' design departments regularly run their ideas past the FIA during the conception phase for clarity and guidance, and Toto Wolff said that Mercedes were comfortable with their position.
“What has been put on the car is always following an exchange with the FIA, all through the process," said Wolff in the earlier press conference.
"It's no such a thing that you have a clever idea and then you bolt it on to test and you think that could be or couldn't be challenged
"That is a long process of dialogue that happens over the winter. So I feel we're in an ok place."
Nonetheless, the wing has sparked intrigue and F1's chief technical officer Pat Symonds, who was part of the team who devised the 2022 rules, described the Mercedes design as "a very interesting interpretation" and questioned whether such an approach was "within the spirit of the rules".
“What is interesting is that in Article 3 [of the Technical Regulations] which really dictates how the aerodynamic shapes are produced, it’s very clear in the opening statements that the aim of the rules is to ensure we get this close following [of cars]," said Symonds.
"So really when you start to get things that are perhaps producing some outwash – and here I think what we are seeing is really trying to reinstate quite a strong vortex to push that very turbulent air that is coming from the front wheels aside – one questions then ‘is that really within the spirit of the rules?’
"It’s within the regulations, it’s within the letter of the law, there’s absolutely no doubt about it. Is it the sort of thing we want? I don’t know, that’s perhaps a bit more debatable.
"But I think we need to know really how strong is the effect. The FIA now have a very good aerodynamic group, the group that used to work for me, that are capable of looking at these things and saying ‘yeah, there’s actually nothing wrong with that’ or ‘hang on, this is starting a trend we don’t really want to see’. So they will have seen that."
Symonds added: “It’s more a question of what’s good for the sport rather than what’s good for Mercedes, what’s good for Red Bull.
"Of course, I’ve jumped the fence a few years ago [from working for a team] and so now I’m trying to look at what’s good for the sport and without a doubt what’s good for the sport is good close racing. So anything that promotes good racing is, anything that detracts from that ability to race closely is poor in my mind.”
One of the talking points from today has been Mercedes' unique front-wing design and whether or not it might prove controversial.
As is usual for things that are innovative in F1, teams' design departments regularly run their ideas past the FIA during the conception phase for clarity and guidance, and Toto Wolff said that Mercedes were comfortable with their position.
“What has been put on the car is always following an exchange with the FIA, all through the process," said Wolff in the earlier press conference.
"It's no such a thing that you have a clever idea and then you bolt it on to test and you think that could be or couldn't be challenged
"That is a long process of dialogue that happens over the winter. So I feel we're in an ok place."
Nonetheless, the wing has sparked intrigue and F1's chief technical officer Pat Symonds, who was part of the team who devised the 2022 rules, described the Mercedes design as "a very interesting interpretation" and questioned whether such an approach was "within the spirit of the rules".
“What is interesting is that in Article 3 [of the Technical Regulations] which really dictates how the aerodynamic shapes are produced, it’s very clear in the opening statements that the aim of the rules is to ensure we get this close following [of cars]," said Symonds.
"So really when you start to get things that are perhaps producing some outwash – and here I think what we are seeing is really trying to reinstate quite a strong vortex to push that very turbulent air that is coming from the front wheels aside – one questions then ‘is that really within the spirit of the rules?’
"It’s within the regulations, it’s within the letter of the law, there’s absolutely no doubt about it. Is it the sort of thing we want? I don’t know, that’s perhaps a bit more debatable.
"But I think we need to know really how strong is the effect. The FIA now have a very good aerodynamic group, the group that used to work for me, that are capable of looking at these things and saying ‘yeah, there’s actually nothing wrong with that’ or ‘hang on, this is starting a trend we don’t really want to see’. So they will have seen that."
Symonds added: “It’s more a question of what’s good for the sport rather than what’s good for Mercedes, what’s good for Red Bull.
"Of course, I’ve jumped the fence a few years ago [from working for a team] and so now I’m trying to look at what’s good for the sport and without a doubt what’s good for the sport is good close racing. So anything that promotes good racing is, anything that detracts from that ability to race closely is poor in my mind.”
I know its only first day of testing, but disappointed that there is a pretty big gap between Max and the rest, but not totally shocked.
It’s within the regulations, it’s within the letter of the law, by FIA's own admission.
This I find disappointing by them, Is it the sort of thing we want? I don’t know, that’s perhaps a bit more debatable.
This is what F1 has always been about, working within the rules and pushing them to the very limit, why would the FIA not want it ?
This I find disappointing by them, Is it the sort of thing we want? I don’t know, that’s perhaps a bit more debatable.
This is what F1 has always been about, working within the rules and pushing them to the very limit, why would the FIA not want it ?
fair point
Looking at these profiles of the Merc, Ferrari and RB it's pretty crazy to see how different they are considering it's year 3 of these regs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/athCDB6yUm
In some ways the RB looks the least fast. Like it took some steroids and gained mass for a body building competition rather than competing in an endurance or speed event.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/athCDB6yUm
In some ways the RB looks the least fast. Like it took some steroids and gained mass for a body building competition rather than competing in an endurance or speed event.
Testing Day 1 Timesheet
Afternoon session final timesheet
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 1.31.344 | C3 | 142 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | 1.140 | C3 | 72 |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1.240 | C3 | 68 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | 1.255 | C3 | 51 |
| Pierre Gasly | Alpine | 1.461 | C1 | 59 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 1.663 | C3 | 53 |
| Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1.903 | C3 | 64 |
| Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | 2.041 | C3 | 77 |
| Oscar Piastri | McLaren | 2.314 | C3 | 57 |
| Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | 2.527 | C3 | 61 |
| Logan Sargeant | Williams | 2.538 | C2 | 21 |
| George Russell | Mercedes | 2.765 | C3 | 121 |
| Yuki Tsunoda | RB | 2,792 | C3 | 64 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | 3.087 | C3 | 68 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | 3.243 | C4 | 40 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 3.333 | C1 | 60 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 4.348 | C3 | 66 |
| Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | 4.562 | C2 | 81 |
For god sake, just retire Newey.
These timesheets don't mean anything. We have no idea in which configuration the cars are being run. We'll have to wait until after qualifying next week to really know where each team stands.
Oh god
Why is Max driving so many laps in comparision with others?
Just let the rest build whatever they want, a 20+ win season for Max incoming.
Lap times at this point are a pointless comparison in the test against all cars, but a useful comparison is Verstappen’s time today was a second quicker than his time in last years testing.
As I mentioned in here before yes it could be boring, and yes some track layouts have changed but my god would it be awesome to see some of the old track recorde get obliterated so F1 truly is the leaps and bounds ahead speed demon it used to be.
Yeah, fair point.
1st day of testing last year.
RB - 326
Ferrari - 325
Williams - 323
Haas - 322
Alpha Tauri - 322
McLaren - 321
Mercedes - 320
Alfa Romeo - 317
Aston - 317
Alpine - 314
Everybody sandbagging?
1st day of testing last year.
RB - 326
Ferrari - 325
Williams - 323
Haas - 322
Alpha Tauri - 322
McLaren - 321
Mercedes - 320
Alfa Romeo - 317
Aston - 317
Alpine - 314
Predictions of where teams are at the moment after Day 1
Red Bull > Everyone Else > Haas
Have to say I'm low-key quite optimistic about Ferrari, even if it'll end it heartbreak like it always does. McLaren look decent too.
Red Bull > Everyone Else > Haas
Have to say I'm low-key quite optimistic about Ferrari, even if it'll end it heartbreak like it always does. McLaren look decent too.
Does this work in UK?
£20 for a year of F1 including all the races seems too good to be true.
https://www.formula1.com/en-gb/subscribe-to-f1-tv
£20 for a year of F1 including all the races seems too good to be true.
https://www.formula1.com/en-gb/subscribe-to-f1-tv
It's not live races, or at least that's how I'm reading it. I guess that's good value for people who are happy to watch the race delayed though.
Or just sell to andretti and see if he can get his team to race
I'll call Gene
I know that and to be honest don’t take that much notice, but they are useful.
I have said before the only time other teams, should know how fast your car is, should be in the last few mins if Q3 of the first race.
Who's driving for who on Day Two?
Red Bull: Sergio Perez
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton
Ferrari: Charles Leclerc (AM) / Carlos Sainz (PM)
McLaren: Oscar Piastri (AM) / Lando Norris (PM)
Aston Martin: Fernando Alonso (AM) / Lance Stroll (PM)
Alpine: Pierre Gasly (AM) / Esteban Ocon (PM)
Williams: Logan Sargeant
RB: Yuki Tsunoda (AM) / Daniel Ricciardo (PM)
Sauber: Zhou Guanyu (AM) / Valtteri Bottas (PM)
Haas: Nico Hulkenberg (AM) / Kevin Magnussen (PM)
Red Bull: Sergio Perez
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton
Ferrari: Charles Leclerc (AM) / Carlos Sainz (PM)
McLaren: Oscar Piastri (AM) / Lando Norris (PM)
Aston Martin: Fernando Alonso (AM) / Lance Stroll (PM)
Alpine: Pierre Gasly (AM) / Esteban Ocon (PM)
Williams: Logan Sargeant
RB: Yuki Tsunoda (AM) / Daniel Ricciardo (PM)
Sauber: Zhou Guanyu (AM) / Valtteri Bottas (PM)
Haas: Nico Hulkenberg (AM) / Kevin Magnussen (PM)
Early brake issue for Red Bull
Six laps for Sergio Perez so far but he's confined to the garage at the moment after a small brake fire on his RB20.
Ted Kravitz reports from the pit lane: "As I understand it when the car came in after Sergio Perez's last run there was a little brake fire. So we have a small overheating brake problem.
"It's the kind of thing that can happen. I have seen it happen before when the brake material is new, as it will be today, and if the driver has been working it very hard, as he's absolutely right to do, Checo has done nothing wrong, you can get a bit of overheating on the surface temperatures. The cooling wasn't quite right or the brake wasn't quite doing what it should."
Leclerc hits the front with sub-1:32 lap
We only saw one of them yesterday, but it hasn't taken long to get our first lap in the 1:31s today as Charles Leclerc posts a 1:31.822 on the C3 tyres, the second quickest lap of testing so far.
That's about half a second away from where Max Verstappen ended up yesterday in the evening session.
Six laps for Sergio Perez so far but he's confined to the garage at the moment after a small brake fire on his RB20.
Ted Kravitz reports from the pit lane: "As I understand it when the car came in after Sergio Perez's last run there was a little brake fire. So we have a small overheating brake problem.
"It's the kind of thing that can happen. I have seen it happen before when the brake material is new, as it will be today, and if the driver has been working it very hard, as he's absolutely right to do, Checo has done nothing wrong, you can get a bit of overheating on the surface temperatures. The cooling wasn't quite right or the brake wasn't quite doing what it should."
Leclerc hits the front with sub-1:32 lap
We only saw one of them yesterday, but it hasn't taken long to get our first lap in the 1:31s today as Charles Leclerc posts a 1:31.822 on the C3 tyres, the second quickest lap of testing so far.
That's about half a second away from where Max Verstappen ended up yesterday in the evening session.
Latest timesheet 08:00
1. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1:31.750, 17 laps, C3 tyres
2. Oscar Piastri, McLaren, 1:32.446, 10 laps
3. Logan Sargeant, Williams, 1:32.936, 18 laps
4. Pierre Gasly, Alpine, 1:33.804, 13 laps
5. Zhou Guanyu, Sauber, 1:34.115, 22 laps
6. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:37.135, 13 laps
7. Nico Hulkenberg, Haas, 1:37.534, 16 laps
8. Yuki Tsunoda, RB, 1:40.275, 10 laps
9. Sergio Perez, Red Bull, 1:40.323, 8 laps
10. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin, No time, 5 laps
1. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1:31.750, 17 laps, C3 tyres
2. Oscar Piastri, McLaren, 1:32.446, 10 laps
3. Logan Sargeant, Williams, 1:32.936, 18 laps
4. Pierre Gasly, Alpine, 1:33.804, 13 laps
5. Zhou Guanyu, Sauber, 1:34.115, 22 laps
6. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:37.135, 13 laps
7. Nico Hulkenberg, Haas, 1:37.534, 16 laps
8. Yuki Tsunoda, RB, 1:40.275, 10 laps
9. Sergio Perez, Red Bull, 1:40.323, 8 laps
10. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin, No time, 5 laps
Latest timesheet 09:00
09:00
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:31.750 | C3 | 29 |
| Oscar Piastri | McLaren | +0.578 | C3 | 23 |
| Logan Sargeant | Williams | +0.828 | C1 | 30 |
| Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +1.129 | C3 | 18 |
| Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | +1.303 | C3 | 22 |
| Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | +1.965 | C3 | 38 |
| Pierre Gasly | Alpine | +2.054 | C3 | 27 |
| Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +2.472 | C3 | 27 |
| Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | +5.784 | C3 | 21 |
| Yuki Tsunoda | RB | +6.956 | C3 | 27 |
Session has been red flagged due to a drain cover !
Mercedes and Ferrari assess damage
Inspections on the underside of Hamilton's Mercedes, while Ferrari have the shutters up.
The fact Ferrari have put the boards in front of the garage would point to them taking the car's floor off.
Meanwhile, track repairs and assessments continue...
Inspections on the underside of Hamilton's Mercedes, while Ferrari have the shutters up.
The fact Ferrari have put the boards in front of the garage would point to them taking the car's floor off.
Meanwhile, track repairs and assessments continue...
Track issues curtail morning session
Morning session will NOT be resumed amid these track repairs, the FIA has just announced.
The lunch break has been brought forward and we'll now run for five hours in the second session from 11am UK time until the scheduled end at 4pm.
F1 confirm it was a drain cover that came loose at Turn 11 and are now expecting the repairs to be confirmed within the next hour.
Morning session will NOT be resumed amid these track repairs, the FIA has just announced.
The lunch break has been brought forward and we'll now run for five hours in the second session from 11am UK time until the scheduled end at 4pm.
F1 confirm it was a drain cover that came loose at Turn 11 and are now expecting the repairs to be confirmed within the next hour.
Latest timesheet @ 13:30
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:30.424 | C4 | 22 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.832 | C3 | 24 |
| Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +1.326 | C3 | 54 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +1.605 | C3 | 26 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | +1.803 | C3 | 31 |
| Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +1.849 | C3 | 82 |
| Oscar Piastri | McLaren | +1.904 | C3 | 35 |
| Logan Sargeant | Williams | +2.154 | C4 | 58 |
| Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +2.455 | C3 | 82 |
| Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | +2.629 | C3 | 31 |
| Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | +3.291 | C3 | 38 |
| Pierre Gasly | Alpine | +3.380 | C3 | 33 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | +3.602 | C3 | 34 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +5.193 | C1 | 38 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | +6.187 | C3 | 37 |
| Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | +7.085 | C3 | 31 |
| Yuki Tsunoda | RB | +7.650 | C2 | 40 |
Final Day of testing.
Who's driving when today?
We'll see 19 of the 20 drivers during the course of today with only Alex Albon running all through the day after team-mate Logan Sargeant's full day in the car yesterday:
Red Bull: Sergio Perez (AM) / Max Verstappen (PM)
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton (AM) / George Russell (PM)
Ferrari: Carlos Sainz (AM) / Charles Leclerc (PM)
McLaren: Lando Norris (AM) / Oscar Piastri (PM)
Aston Martin: Lance Stroll (AM) / Fernando Alonso (PM)
Alpine: Esteban Ocon (AM) / Pierre Gasly (PM)
Williams: Alex Albon (All day)
RB: Daniel Ricciardo (AM) / Yuki Tsunoda (PM)
Sauber: Valtteri Bottas (AM) / Zhou Guanyu (PM)
Haas: Kevin Magnussen (AM) / Nico Hulkenberg (PM)
Who's driving when today?
We'll see 19 of the 20 drivers during the course of today with only Alex Albon running all through the day after team-mate Logan Sargeant's full day in the car yesterday:
Red Bull: Sergio Perez (AM) / Max Verstappen (PM)
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton (AM) / George Russell (PM)
Ferrari: Carlos Sainz (AM) / Charles Leclerc (PM)
McLaren: Lando Norris (AM) / Oscar Piastri (PM)
Aston Martin: Lance Stroll (AM) / Fernando Alonso (PM)
Alpine: Esteban Ocon (AM) / Pierre Gasly (PM)
Williams: Alex Albon (All day)
RB: Daniel Ricciardo (AM) / Yuki Tsunoda (PM)
Sauber: Valtteri Bottas (AM) / Zhou Guanyu (PM)
Haas: Kevin Magnussen (AM) / Nico Hulkenberg (PM)
Day 2 Testing Timesheets
Red Flag again for the same drain has yesterday !
How the timesheet stands so far
How the timesheet stands so far
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:31.247 | C3 | 11 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | 0.861 | C3 | 7 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | 2.601 | C3 | 8 |
| Sergio Perez | Red Bull | 3.543 | C3 | 8 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 4.802 | C3 | 10 |
| Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 6.525 | C3 | 5 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | 8.260 | C3 | 6 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | No time | 9 | |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | No time | 3 | |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | No time | 2 |
Possibly the same drain cover at Turn 11 that came loose yesterday to cause a suspension to the morning session?!
Either way, that's a concern that one of the covers has been brought up again by one of these 2024 ground-effect cars going over it.
This is a warning to other tracks to make sure their drain cover are secure, we saw in Vegas how much damage one can cause, what we don't want is a serous accident resulting in driver injury.
Either way, that's a concern that one of the covers has been brought up again by one of these 2024 ground-effect cars going over it.
This is a warning to other tracks to make sure their drain cover are secure, we saw in Vegas how much damage one can cause, what we don't want is a serous accident resulting in driver injury.
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Latest timesheet @10:30
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:31.247 | C3 | 52 |
| Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.236 | C3 | 38 |
| Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.752 | C5 | 38 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +0.791 | C3 | 46 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.861 | C3 | 20 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | +1.336 | C3 | 25 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | +1.806 | C3 | 65 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +1.832 | C3 | 42 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | +2.281 | C3 | 28 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | +6.426 | C1 | 66 |
Latest timesheet @11:20
| Driver | Team | Time | Tyre | Laps |
| Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:31.247 | C3 | 69 |
| Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.236 | C3 | 50 |
| Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.752 | C5 | 49 |
| Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +0.791 | C3 | 46 |
| Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.861 | C3 | 20 |
| Alex Albon | Williams | +1.336 | C3 | 35 |
| Kevin Magnussen | Haas | +1.806 | C3 | 80 |
| Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +1.832 | C3 | 55 |
| Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | +2.281 | C3 | 28 |
| Daniel Ricciardo | RB | +5.786 | C1 | 70 |