Is qualifying just closer because Red Bull just focus on setting the car up for Sunday’s? We’ve had some decent qualifying sessions this year and contrast to the races is stark. That was, as good as Red Bull/Max are, a depressing race. I can’t see anyone catching up for a long time.
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At least with some of Vettel, Hamilton and Schumi, there were close championships. This is as one-sided as I can ever remember a championship. RBR are so far ahead, that this championship was dead in the water from the first couple of races and everyone could see it.
It will be the same greatness we witnessed from schmacher, vettel and hamilton. I.e. dull as feck.
Did you not watch in the early 2000s?
Not really until the tail end of Schumacher's era in Ferrari.
Maybe some of those were as dominating as this, but even during Mercs 7 in a row have I not seen all races being so dominated by one team/man. Mercs always had at least Ferrari/RBR to contend with in some of those races (until they shot themselves in the foot inevitably).
The subtle difference with Mercedes’ dominance is they and Hamilton could always shoot themselves in the foot with strategy and give you a handful of interesting races along the way, think of Ocon, Gasly and Perez’s first race wins for example. Red Bull and Max are never going to do that.
Apparently Norris destroyed Max's trophy with the champagne bottle after he knocked it off the podium the last race as well 
16.5 super bru points!
12 points , pretty poor
Apparently Norris destroyed Max's trophy with the champagne bottle after he knocked it off the podium the last race as well
Well that is more because of the man than the team. As a car Merc were much more dominant.
Max be like, tis ok mate, I got tons of this shitApparently Norris destroyed Max's trophy with the champagne bottle after he knocked it off the podium the last race as well
Great score for you this week well done. Breathing down my neck!
This season is as bad as peak vettel when 2 of the four seasons he finished 135points + over 2nd in the championship.
Mercedes era was dull, but rosberg kept hamilton honest and the illegal ferrari of vettel helped. Bottas years were awful.
We just need a lando or someone in the 2nd RB seat to have some sort of inter team battle to keep it interesting. Schmacher had hakkinen as a rival to keep him on his toes for a few seasons.
Max needs someone otherwise its super dull.
Thank you! Hoping I can catch up, I was first after the first couple then fell away a bit least this has made 2nd a bit more secure
Firsty the season is one of the most entertaining in last years. People need to realize that 2021 was exception. Yes you have Max winning but behind him there is a rollercoaster as never before.
Secondly what makes you think that Norris or anyone else would be doing any better than Perez next to Max. He absolutely dominated every codriver from prime Riccardo in his last season when driving next to Max, to Gasly and then Albon. All of them are/were considered the best drivers on the grid. And it's quite clear he progressed a lot as a driver from those seasons. As a Red Bull fan I would love to see Norris in the second car but realistically looking that could be a doomsday decision for Norris if the opportunity comes.
Not true, they were never considered the best on the grid. RedBull would never put "the best on the grid" in the same team as max as the management of that situation would get very ugly very quickly, just see hamiton and rosberg or hamilton and alonso, piquet and mansell, senna and prost.
Also albon and gasly struggled with the RB back then which was designed around max with a pointy front end and a rear that would snap mid corner and need to be corrected.
There are a number of drivers who could match max in the same machinery and beat him. Some of those are pub conversations i.e. hamilton and alonso. The others it remains to be seen, i.e. leclerc, lando, pisatri if they ever get the chance.
As mclaren progress in last two races shows, F1 is 90% the car and 10% the driver now. Get a good car and you can leap up the grid. Suddenly your drivers look so much better.
Personally i dont give two shits about the rollacoster behind max, i want to see a proper championship battle. So do many people, seasons of utter domination ala schmacher, hamiltomn, verstappen are a massive turn off for many people.
anyone who drives as number 2 at red bull won’t have any success. the whole team is set up around max.
Impressive laps throughout the race by Lando, dropped Piastri like a stone. Piastri was unsure why he dropped away in the post race interview. Maybe you could blame one set of tyres but he had two stops. I think it's just Lando and Max doing quali lap after quali lap which is another level to attain.
3 teams in breach of cost cap according to l'equipe: Aston Martin, Mercedes and RedBull
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/226428/l-equipe-on-budget-cap-and-position-red-bull.html
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/226428/l-equipe-on-budget-cap-and-position-red-bull.html
Not shocked about AM or Mercedes TBH, but Red Bull I am, I thought they would be well with it after losing wind tunnel time and a huge fine, if true the punishment has to be enough to send out a warning, that twice in 2 years it not on.
It has been for a long time, 2009 Brawn was a prime example.
Yeh for sure, i think you need to go back to the 80s and early 90s for the ratio to have been more balanced.
Couldn't catch the race, but it appears if I've missed nothing. Verstappen utterly demolishing everyone, and being bored out of his mind, I suspect. The price of GOAT status, innit?
I’d be very surprised if this is true, could just be a French paper defending a French team with a team that’s already broken it, I know they have added more stuff under the cap this season, they really should just implement a luxury tax like the NBA, what ever you go over you pay that again but instead of it going to FIA, it should go in to a pot for the worst placed teams.
Other reports have said Alpine Aston and possibly Mercedes.
So who knows who the 3 teams are at this point.
Also it all means nothing until we know if these are true breaches or just procedural. Because a procedural breach alone is s irrelevant as it still means your actually under the budget cap.
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If Alpine breached it then it makes their current season even more embarrassing. /Subscribe
If it isn’t Ferrari and Mercedes, they need new management. RB have proven that cheating works, so rival teams would be mad not to follow.
Don't worry those two teams have both cheated before so they know all about it
Even Max himself looks bored with F1
The sport is in the gutter. Yes we had Merc dominating in the past, but at least you knew someone else would win a race every now and then. Or even just lead a race for a period to keep it interesting.
This is just same guy winning every race from start to finish. It's a procession, not a race. Wouldn't surprise me if Max either left F1 after a couple of years, or moved to an inferior team.
The sport is in the gutter. Yes we had Merc dominating in the past, but at least you knew someone else would win a race every now and then. Or even just lead a race for a period to keep it interesting.
This is just same guy winning every race from start to finish. It's a procession, not a race. Wouldn't surprise me if Max either left F1 after a couple of years, or moved to an inferior team.
Hungary Grand Prix Abridged:
Proper F1, where the driver could make the difference.
1666 bhp per ton (a bugati veyron is 800bhp per ton for example), manual gearbox and no power steering. Required incredible strength to drive. F1 at its finest. Wild and untamed cars. All down to driver skill, feel and finesse. Not like modern F1 at all, which is so much safer, easier and boring.
1666 bhp per ton (a bugati veyron is 800bhp per ton for example), manual gearbox and no power steering. Required incredible strength to drive. F1 at its finest. Wild and untamed cars. All down to driver skill, feel and finesse. Not like modern F1 at all, which is so much safer, easier and boring.
Even the pitstops are boring. 2 seconds, in and out, feck off. What happened to the pitstops of old, where they couldn't get a tire out, or they brought the wrong tires, or the fuelling hose caught fire? GIVE ME SOMETHING FFS F1!!
While we are at it, bin the pit lane speed limits. Those are highly experienced professionals, they should know how to deal with a car rocketing at 200kph past them.
Now we're talking!
Exactly!
Also, if one of said professionals did get hit in that situation we should all call him a dumb cnut and laugh.
Even Max himself looks bored with F1
The sport is in the gutter. Yes we had Merc dominating in the past, but at least you knew someone else would win a race every now and then. Or even just lead a race for a period to keep it interesting.
This is just same guy winning every race from start to finish. It's a procession, not a race. Wouldn't surprise me if Max either left F1 after a couple of years, or moved to an inferior team.
When Mercedes were dominant, at least we had Rosberg or Bottas who were able to beat Hamilton.
Na. That’s a definite 5 second stop and go.
Why not both?