F1 2023 Season

Rosberg had michael schmacher and lewis hamilton as his teammates and he held his own. Not good enough to beat hamilton over a season (apart frm the season hamilton lost the title to him after the garage crews we're switched).

Personally, i have him higher than button and kimi.
 
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Obviously dominance isn't fun but what is the point in penalising a team that has nailed the regs? Makes it pointless.

I've always said each weekend should have 2 races. 1 with spec cars which counts solely towards the WDC.
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We're in a different era of F1 now compared to Mercedes dominance, mainly because of DTS. Its massively increased F1's profile, especially in USA (a market F1 is desperate to really crack). US sports are setup to stop dynasties or serial winners of championships, because the audiences dont like it.

DTS also brought alot of casual viewers to F1 and also people who only watch DTS but not F1 races themselves.

Problem is DTS is only as good as the racing on the track and the stories that generates. Having one team effortlessly demolish the grid isnt great viewing. Its not great viewing if your trying to crack USA.

Now i agree RB engineers have done a fantastic job. They've created one of the fastest F1 cars ever. They shouldnt be punished by technical regs to slow them down (as Mercedes were at end of 2020 season).

So whats the alternative? Ballast. A dirty word in F1 because its seen as "artifical". DRS is also "artifical". Add say 100kg to verstappens rocketship. It will slow him down alittle bit, but it doesnt put him out of contention for a win from P15.

Imagine if ballast was introduced during Mercedes dominance. Yes they would probably still win alot, but it would give the likes of Bottas more of a fighting chance in equal machinery. Hamilton carrying 100kg, Bottas 75kg. That 0.1-0.3 advantage that the greats (senna, prost, schmie, hamilton, verstappen)have over their teammates would be wiped out with ballast. It levels the inter-team field some what.

Ballast right now in the RBs, would slow them down alittle, not enough for Mercedes and Ferrari to catch them (crap car design + rival designing a rocketship = gap too big to bridge). However it might give perez more of a chance especially if verstappen has to carry 25kg more.

Obviously if Perez then took the lead in WDC then the ballast would switch; perez 100kg, verstappen 75kg.

It is artifical, but it has been proven to work in touring car. It might also be the answer to keeping a season competative and interesting while giving DTS more story lines and satisfying US audiences to boot.
 
Jos, no words needed.
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Max needs to be careful, for the previous seasons it was a welcome relief to see competition and most neutrals loved RB as the underdog to Merc. Like we saw with Vettel and Hamilton during their dominant years, people started to dislike them. Vettel used to get boo‘d on the podium at one point now he’s universally loved. Max is very easy to dislike with some of the comments when he’s so focused on being number one and getting everything he wants. He’ll say he’s not bothered but most humans want to be well liked at some point.
 
Why did Max and his father look so pissed? Did Verstappen expect red bull to order Perez to give the win to him?
 
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ZIDANE said:
Max needs to be careful, for the previous seasons it was a welcome relief to see competition and most neutrals loved RB as the underdog to Merc. Like we saw with Vettel and Hamilton during their dominant years, people started to dislike them. Vettel used to get boo‘d on the podium at one point now he’s universally loved. Max is very easy to dislike with some of the comments when he’s so focused on being number one and getting everything he wants. He’ll say he’s not bothered but most humans want to be well liked at some point.
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It's RBR's fault for developing their drivers into thundercunts as Vettel was the same until he moved to Ferrari, certain Max would be more likeable if he was at any other team.
 
hp88 said:
It's RBR's fault for developing their drivers into thundercunts as Vettel was the same until he moved to Ferrari, certain Max would be more likeable if he was at any other team.
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Well maybe, but being a complete cnut runs in the family with Verstappen Sr and Max's father in law as well. Might run deeper than just Horner and co in his case.
 
FreakyJim said:
Why did Max and his father look so pissed? Did Verstappen expect red bull to order Perez to give the win to him?
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Max congratulated Checo multiple times on the lap back to the grid. And was laughing with him afterwards.

Your just seeing what you want to see. There's loads of examples of post race content of them together.





Also I don't give two shits about Jos but he barley looks happy when Max wins, he shook Checos hand and patted him on the back.

Anyone creating drama off this stuff are just looking to stir shit.

Checo did great this weekend showed good pace and deserved it. But at the same time he very likely only won because of the Quali problem for Max.

By the same logic we could ask why Lewis wasn't looking happy for George when he was initially awarded the podium. Personally I think who the feck cares and too many people over analyse all these F1 drivers reactions.

All these guys want to win and want to beat their teammate. It simply natural.
 
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I wonder if Max fans will ever not bring up Lewis in these arguments.
 
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I wonder if Max fans will ever not bring up Lewis in these arguments.
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Well it's just the most useful comparison in an English forum as that's who a lot of people support.

As I said I think Lewis's reaction was perfectly normal and people overanalyze these things. (This one was also being posted around social media in an attempt to paint Lewis in a bad light which also makes it a good comparison as it's the same thing that happens with Max)

F1 drivers are rarely delighted being bet by their teammate. No matter the context. It's normal and can be seen across a million different driver pairings.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Personally I think who the feck cares and too many people over analyse all these F1 drivers reactions.

All these guys want to win and want to beat their teammate. It simply natural.
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Basically all that needs to be posted on this guff.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Well it's just the most useful comparison in an English forum as that's who a lot of people support.

As I said I think Lewis's reaction was perfectly normal and people overanalyze these things.
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how do you explain max taking a shit in a burrito and making checo’s dad eat it.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Well it's just the most useful comparison in an English forum as that's who a lot of people support.

As I said I think Lewis's reaction was perfectly normal and people overanalyze these things.
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The crux of it is, he's a bad loser.......just like the 19 other drivers on the grid.
 



“The first thing Alonso did when he got to the box after the podium was to give the Aston Martin rear jack mechanic a hug of support.”

Classy from Alonso.
 
Prediction League Standings after Round 2
Prediction League - Standings after Round 2 (threadmark when I do this @pauldyson1uk ?)

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Last ten laps

https://racingnews365.com/transcript-reveals-verstappen-disobeying-team-orders-during-saudi-gp

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GP: Ok Max that was track limits for Turn 23 again. We will like to target a 33.0. 33.0.​
HB: Ok back to target now. So we're just covering Fernando he is doing 33.1​
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GP: Max any more feedback on that issue from before?​
PER: Sorry repeat​
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VER: Well it's still there​
HB: Target lap time 33.0. Max targetting the same. For reference that is +0.8 on the dash. +0.8.​
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GP: Ok understood. Ok target 33.0. 33.0​
PER: I'm having a bit of a long brake pedal​
40​
GP: That's 33.0​
HB: Yeah copy we're having a look​
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GP: Max, confirm 33.0​
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GP: 33.0. 33.0​
HB: Target 32.6. +0.4​
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PER: Is Max doing the same?​
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HB: Max's last lap is 32.6​
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PER: Then why did you tell me 33:0?​
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HB: Just target plus four, jobs a good'un​
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PER: We are pushing without a reason guys, not smart to do​
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HB: Your lap 32.6. Max's lap 32.6​
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PER: Guys we don't really need this​
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HB: 8 laps to go​
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PER: Let's go. Let's go do 33.0​
43​
GP: Max can you target 33:0 please?​
PER: What is the gap?​
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HB: Gap is 4.3​
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PER: So are we pushing now?​
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HB: You're free to push. Free to push​
45​
GP: You have 5 laps remaining coming up. Gap is 5​
HB: 5 laps to go. Target +0.8. Gap 5.5 seconds​
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VER: What's the fastest lap?​
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GP: We are not concerned about that at the moment Max​
HB: Max's last lap 33.0​
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VER: Yeah but I am​
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GP: So 32.1, 32.1​
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PER: What is the fastest lap at the moment?​
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HB: You've got the fastest lap. That's a 32.1​
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PER: Did we get the fastest lap in the end or?​
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HB: You were pipped on the last lap​
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PER: Ah, great! Aha!​
 
hobbers said:
Not the full transcript. Odd that they missed out Max being told he was free to push same as Checo. I wonder why…
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Max wasn't told he was free to push as it wasn't needed unless you mean before lap 39? Close to when Checo was told he was free to push as he wished Max had realised the gap wasn't catchable so slowed down to prepare for fastest lap.

It can be seen in his times as he goes from like 4.2 behind Checo back to around 6 before finally taking the fastest lap and like 1.2 seconds out of Checos time.

Basically both guys had a fair fight for fastest lap. Checo just misunderstood his engineer as nowhere was he told not to go for fastest lap or that Max wouldn't.

The full radios are available online to listen to.
 
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Ted Kravitz said teams in pitlane are questioning the legality of RedBull DRS system as it gives them 20mph more speed than any other car when open.

Teams think something else is going on, maybe the floor also stalling or some other aero part.

Early days yet as they need to figure out how works before any team could in theory appeal to FIA or more likley copy the system for themselves.
 
dinostar77 said:
Ted Kravitz said teams in pitlane are questioning the legality of RedBull DRS system as it gives them 20mph more speed than any other car when open.

Teams think something else is going on, maybe the floor also stalling or some other aero part.

Early days yet as they need to figure out how works before any team could in theory appeal to FIA or more likley copy the system for themselves.
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Redbull not playing by the rules? I don't believe you at all, no, never
 
dinostar77 said:
Ted Kravitz said teams in pitlane are questioning the legality of RedBull DRS system as it gives them 20mph more speed than any other car when open.

Teams think something else is going on, maybe the floor also stalling or some other aero part.

Early days yet as they need to figure out how works before any team could in theory appeal to FIA or more likley copy the system for themselves.
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I dont for one minute think their DRS is illegal, OK it may be faster, but I am sure they would have consulted the FIA during every stage of design and development.
Would the same not apply to the design and development of the floor, maybe they have just found a way for then both to work better the other have not.
No feck it they are cheating, throw then out :p
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I dont for one minute think their DRS is illegal, OK it may be faster, but I am sure they would have consulted the FIA during every stage of design and development.
Would the same not apply to the design and development of the floor, maybe they have just found a way for then both to work better the other have not.
No feck it they are cheating, throw then out :p
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They have to be doing something different than others and found something though.
 
Has anyone been to monza. Looking at getting tickets and staying in bergamo. Wondered what the travel links are like between bergamo and monza, f1 site says trains but I can’t find any that leave early enough for Sunday or direct to monza.
 
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